lets have some Bible study shall we?

[phil112]

Paul covered sin very explicitly in several places, but nowhere better than Galatians chapter 5, verses 18 thru 25: "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

Romans 8:7-9 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

If you sin, you are obeying the lusts of the flesh, you are walking in flesh. You cannot please God like that.
There are those here that will tell you it is possible to go to heaven if you don't please God. I believe that to be impossible. God is not interested in living eternally with someone who is rebellious to His word, wouldn't you agree?

 

[skylove7]

I love this thread!
It's so feel good Hallelujah cute!
Like an old bluegrass gospel...

" Whoo, let's have some bible study
Let's have a piece o' pie! " lol


Ok I'm gone now
Sorry lol

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The importance of finding out what Christ has already done for us in His finished work is paramount to walking by the spirit within us. It's the revelation of who we are now in Christ - the new creation - the inner man. ...this knowledge makes our faith effective and working to walk in the newness of life that is already ours because of our union with Christ in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. We need to have our minds renewed to the truth that is in us in Christ now.

What is paramount to walking in the spirit is 1) hearing the spirit (which speaks of Christ, not who we are), and 2) obeying what the spirit says.

 

[hornetguy]

Instead of always going topical, why don't we look at a passage?

Here is a good one, and it even mentions sin or trespasses!

"Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him,7 rooted and built up in him and established in the just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by cancelling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him." Col 2:6-15

It sums up a lot about our Christian Faith!

What at speaks to you most strongly in this passage?

Several things... that's a "full" passage of the Word... I particularly like v.14...... the record of debt with its legal demands...

That's the difficult part to turn loose... we are so ingrained to think we can "do" enough to be considered good.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Amen...It happens as we behold Christ. It is by the Spirit of God that we are transformed. We participate in this transformation. The more we grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ - the more His life flows through and in us to a hurt and dying world as well as our brethren.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformedinto the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Go back to verse 6 and read from there.

Vs 6 – The "letter" is the Old Covenant. The "spirit" is the New Covenant.

Vs 7 – The "ministration of death" is the law which was "written and engraven in stones" and it was "glorious".

Vs 8-11 – the New Covenant is also glorious and actually exceeds in glory and because the New Covenant exceeds the glory of the Old, it excels.

Vs 13 – the glory of the Old Covenant shined in the face of Moses and he had to put a veil over his face (Ex 34:29-35).

Vs 14 – when we read the OT with the understanding that it points to Christ, the veil is removed so that we understand what is written.

Vs 15 – those who do not see Christ will have a veil on their heart.

Vs 16 – when we turn our hearts to the Lord, the veil is taken away and Scripture opens up.

Vs 17 – Liberty is found in the Lord.

Vs 18 – to behold with an open face is to not have the veil on our hearts. We see the glory of the Lord in Scripture and we are changed into the same image. It is a journey that lasts our whole lifetime.

Are being transformed is in the passive voice which means the Spirit of God does the changing - it is an action that happens to us - we don't do it ourselves.

We do "participate" in it by walking in the grace and knowledge of Christ that is in us. This is how we "put off and put on" Christ. The Spirit of God by His life makes things drop off of our lives like dead leaves but we must be willing to participate in the truth of what Christ has done.

Yes, God does change us and it is not something we do ourselves. The only thing we are instructed to do is "put off" and "put on". In 2 Cor 3:16, this is described as turning our hearts to the Lord.

 

[ember]

Taken care of at the cross. New topic: Jesus...?

Hey Ben ~ been thinking of you and wondering where you got to

nice to 'see' you...don't be a stranger

 

[hornetguy]

edited for brevity

If you sin, you are obeying the lusts of the flesh, you are walking in flesh. You cannot please God like that.
There are those here that will tell you it is possible to go to heaven if you don't please God. I believe that to be impossible. God is not interested in living eternally with someone who is rebellious to His word, wouldn't you agree?

I agree, mostly, but I think I'd add, if you sin "purposely"... in other words, with no remorse... deliberately..

Everyone sins, it's the human nature, but if you are walking in the Spirit, your sins are covered. If you are deliberately sinning, you are not walking in the Spirit. It's a matter of your attitude, where you are spiritually.

 

[Grace777x70]

Ephesians 4:23-24 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
As we see what Christ has done for us in His finished work we become outwardly in our behavior what He has already made us to be by our union with Him in the Spirit in our new self in Christ. He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit.

Keep our eyes on Jesus - He is the author and finisher of our faith! He is faithful to us!

1 John 4:17-19 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.

I encourage people to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ember]

Just like a sermon I heard last Sunday by a young pastor. Sin was swept under the carpet...it's becoming a taboo topic in this self loved generation.

oh pashaw...it has been ANYTHING but ignored round here

it has been ALL the rage for weeks...where ya been?

thread after thread about grace and works...with sin as the sandwich spread in the middle

blah....I wanna talk about Jesus too! lift up His name...talk about HIM...HE is the One that draws ALL men (and women)

don't take this personal..or you can slap me with a wet noodle but I ain't changing my mind!

Sin, or iniquity (avon) is very simply put: MISSING THE MARK..God's mark, not ours

 

[directline2iam]

It's important to real-ize there is no God trinity nor is there a man trinity.
The Father and Son are God and God is Holy and God is Spirit.
Man became a living (body) soul when God breathed into him His Spirit of life. The human body is comprised of soul which means SHAPE as inin the soul of a shoe.
Man has TWO Parts, soul and spirit, not three.
Man BECAME a LIVING soul when the Spirit of life entered it. So easy to understand so why change Gods word to a sinful understanding.

 

[ember]

seems like a split decision to me....

well...

 

[thepsalmist]

JOHN 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands.16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

 

[Grace777x70]

Go back to verse 6 and read from there.

Vs 6 – The "letter" is the Old Covenant. The "spirit" is the New Covenant.

Vs 7 – The "ministration of death" is the law which was "written and engraven in stones" and it was "glorious".

Vs 8-11 – the New Covenant is also glorious and actually exceeds in glory and because the New Covenant exceeds the glory of the Old, it excels.

Vs 13 – the glory of the Old Covenant shined in the face of Moses and he had to put a veil over his face (Ex 34:29-35).

Vs 14 – when we read the OT with the understanding that it points to Christ, the veil is removed so that we understand what is written.

Vs 15 – those who do not see Christ will have a veil on their heart.

Vs 16 – when we turn our hearts to the Lord, the veil is taken away and Scripture opens up.

Vs 17 – Liberty is found in the Lord.

Vs 18 – to behold with an open face is to not have the veil on our hearts. We see the glory of the Lord in Scripture and we are changed into the same image. It is a journey that lasts our whole lifetime.





Yes, God does change us and it is not something we do ourselves. The only thing we are instructed to do is "put off" and "put on". In 2 Cor 3:16, this is described as turning our hearts to the Lord.

Amen...we can read the scriptures with an Old Covenant mindset or with a mindset of the New Covenant where Christ as the central piece and in His finished work for us. When we turn to Christ alone and not our own "works", then the veil is lifted and we can see His work and beauty in our lives. It is glorious! It's His life that bears the fruit in and though us. He gets all the glory!

 

[ember]

sigh

someone just pm'd me and stated that my use of the words wet noodle was not...uh....well anyway...

this is what I meant by it, in case somebody takes offense...me leetle noggin meant nothing else

A wet noodle is a term referring to a strip or string of pasta that has become soft after being soaked in water, in contrast tospaghetti noodles that are long and straight when dry.
It is used largely as a metaphor. Examples include:

• Referring facetiously to a whipping mechanism that is impractical and has no injurious or painful effects, to someone who is not any fun,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] to refer to something totally yielding and with no stiffness, or used metaphorically to demonstrate the difficulty of pushing something that can only be moved by pulling.

 

[John146]

Notice, the works of the flesh in Galatians 5 Paul warns the believer about. The believer can get caught up in these things if he strays away from Scripture and surrounds himself with worldly things. Notice the difference, however, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

[SUP] 9[/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul names them as people, not works of the flesh. He names them as idolaters, adulterers, drunkards, thieves, etc...
A Christian that steals is not a thief. A Christian is a Christian. A Christian can rebel and get drunk, but a Christian cannot be a drunkard. A Christian is a Christian. Paul says "such were some of you." However, a Christian can get caught up walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit and is capable of any works of the flesh, but we will never be considered one of those people because "we are washed, we are sanctified, and we are glorified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Paul covered sin very explicitly in several places, but nowhere better than Galatians chapter 5, verses 18 thru 25: "But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

Romans 8:7-9 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

If you sin, you are obeying the lusts of the flesh, you are walking in flesh. You cannot please God like that.
There are those here that will tell you it is possible to go to heaven if you don't please God. I believe that to be impossible. God is not interested in living eternally with someone who is rebellious to His word, wouldn't you agree?

 

[phil112]

The part that spoke to me today as I read this passage was the circumcision of Christ. This is where some of us are ignorant of what happened to us when we were circumcised in our flesh and heart by Christ. ( Rom. 2:29 ). Christ has removed the body of the flesh and cut away our inner man of the heart created in righteousness and holiness from our flesh.This is our spiritual circumcision. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit forever in our new creation in Christ. If we can get a revelation of that truth it will help us to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Since you no longer have a "body of flesh" you no longer sin. I'm glad to hear you say that you stopped sinning. That is important.

"The importance of finding out what Christ has already done for us in His finished work is paramount to walking by the spirit within us." It's the revelation of who we are now in Christ - the new creation - the inner man. ...this knowledge makes our faith effective and working to walk in the newness of life that is already ours because of our union with Christ in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. "We need to have our minds renewed to the truth that is in us in Christ now."

Philemon 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

paramount definition: superior to all others

The first bold: "The importance of finding out what Christ has already done for us in His finished work is of "higher importance than" walking by the spirit within us.
Whatever are you trying to say here?????

The orange: I have no clue what you are talking about here either......

The last bold: Do you forget the Christ is in you? Do you forget that He being in you is true? Do you have truth in you because you are in Christ but forget it?
Seriously, if you would endeavor to communicate, try to make people understand what you mean, rather than trying to make yourself sound like a self righteous biblical scholar of some sort, it would make things easier.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Taken care of at the cross. New topic: Jesus...?

I like that, As for as an eternal perspective, But don;t we stil struggle with sin here on earth? And should we not talk about how to overcome it

 

[Grace777x70]

Notice, the works of the flesh in Galatians 5 Paul warns the believer about. The believer can get caught up in these things if he strays away from Scripture and surrounds himself with worldly things. Notice the difference, however, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11:

[SUP] 9[/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul names them as people, not works of the flesh. He names them as idolaters, adulterers, drunkards, thieves, etc...
A Christian that steals is not a thief. A Christian is a Christian. A Christian can rebel and get drunk, but a Christian cannot be a drunkard. A Christian is a Christian. Paul says "such were some of you." However, a Christian can get caught up walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit and is capable of any works of the flesh, but we will never be considered one of those people because "we are washed, we are sanctified, and we are glorified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

That is true...if "reviling" keep people from going to heaven.. some people here would not be going to heaven based on that.. You can see the poison in their posts when they revile and accuse other people of things...we have seen it in this thread already....things to ponder...

 

[phil112]

.........................Paul names them as people, not works of the flesh. He names them as idolaters, adulterers, drunkards, thieves, etc...
A Christian that steals is not a thief. A Christian is a Christian. A Christian can rebel and get drunk, but a Christian cannot be a drunkard. A Christian is a Christian. Paul says "such were some of you." However, a Christian can get caught up walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit and is capable of any works of the flesh, but we will never be considered one of those people because "we are washed, we are sanctified, and we are glorified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

A christian doesn't steal. Your post, as I have copied above, is nothing but lies. there is no bible involved with such false doctrine. Let me put up the part of Galatians that you apparently are incapable of either reading or understanding, I'm not sure which.

drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

You are spreading lies about scripture and you do not have the spirit if you believe such falseness.

 

[phil112]

I like that, As for as an eternal perspective, But don;t we stil struggle with sin here on earth? And should we not talk about how to overcome it

We've talked about it. You have been told countless times how to avoid it, how scripture tells you to live, and you have made your choice. You choose to ignore scripture and continue to sin. You continue to find an excuse to walk in the flesh and pretend you're saved, altho you sin daily. Someone that sins daily and/or knows and believes they will sin again is not saved. You are walking in the flesh and if you walk in the flesh you can't please God.
Tell me, right here, if you believe that people that don't please God will go to heaven.