lets have some Bible study shall we?

[BenFTW]

Hey Ben ~ been thinking of you and wondering where you got to

nice to 'see' you...don't be a stranger

Hey ember, thanks for the kind words. I've been in the middle of a move, back in California now. Traveled cross country. The first day I got internet at the new place I checked CC. Nice to see you, as well. That goes for Ladylynn, Grace777x70, VVilly and others, glad to see you guys still active.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hey ember, thanks for the kind words. I've been in the middle of a move, back in California now. Traveled cross country. The first day I got internet at the new place I checked CC. Nice to see you, as well. That goes for Ladylynn, Grace777x70, VVilly and others, glad to see you guys still active.

Welcome back Ben....did you take some Texas water with you to California?...

 

[BenFTW]

Welcome back Ben....did you take some Texas water with you to California?...

Thanks, and no, but I did enjoy some Texas BBQ. haha

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey ember, thanks for the kind words. I've been in the middle of a move, back in California now. Traveled cross country. The first day I got internet at the new place I checked CC. Nice to see you, as well. That goes for Ladylynn, Grace777x70, VVilly and others, glad to see you guys still active.

Its funny, Alot of us been asking about you lately Glad your back.

 

[roaringkitten]

Hey ember, thanks for the kind words. I've been in the middle of a move, back in California now. Traveled cross country. The first day I got internet at the new place I checked CC. Nice to see you, as well. That goes for Ladylynn, Grace777x70, VVilly and others, glad to see you guys still active.

Welcome back!

 

[PeterJens]

This is where the arguments come in. and why people hate talking about sin.
And why people fight it so much.
He says if we still sin, we are not following God. yet if he is asked if he is perfect. he will say no. Meaning he still sins. So is he not following God because he sins?
Sin is forgiven at the cross. Period. Anything else is works..
Yes we need help; and need to actively participate with Gods help to grow. But that has absolutely nothing to do with eternal life. Which is a free gift given to those who have faith in him.

Are we called to be perfect? Yes. We are perfect in Gods way if we follow Jesus, and keep His commands. So I am perfect in Jesus's definition of the word.

No human will ever be perfect in EG's definition even in heaven, because this definition is mans way of talking about what is perfection. And this is the point. Walking in love and righteousness is not be righteous conscious, but to be conscious of need and respond to it. You will only know when sin crops up, and you deal with it. Love is the key in your heart, miss this you miss God.

I am grateful Jesus loves me, and accepts me and teaches me to follow the sermon on the mount. I have built my house upon a rock. But for some reason people here, say Jesus is lying, and I am building my house on legalism and hypocracy. If hypocracy is walking in righteousness, then the speaker is not following Jesus. The proof of where you are is do your words contradict Jesus? If you do, then you need to change or you will be disowned. Jesus gives people enough warning about this. It is not about earning salvation, as walking in it and not delusion and easy believism.

Now I respect grace7x77 for his preaching style and structure of argument, which shows he is a well trained preacher. It does not make him right, because everything is slightly changed so the gospel becomes something else. Love is not at the core. Acceptance of sinful behaviour is, because this is no longer an issue, because it is forgiven already. But show 1 verse which says sin is ok, anywhere where the Lord is concerned. Holiness is the key, but surface righteousness from another is meaningless. If Jesus has not cleansed you and transformed you, your hope is in vain.

We are a purchased holy people, not fake has beens, who never wore clean clothes to the wedding feast.

 

[thepsalmist]

Are we called to be perfect? Yes. We are perfect in Gods way if we follow Jesus, and keep His commands. So I am perfect in Jesus's definition of the word.

No human will ever be perfect in EG's definition even in heaven, because this definition is mans way of talking about what is perfection. And this is the point. Walking in love and righteousness is not be righteous conscious, but to be conscious of need and respond to it. You will only know when sin crops up, and you deal with it. Love is the key in your heart, miss this you miss God.

I am grateful Jesus loves me, and accepts me and teaches me to follow the sermon on the mount. I have built my house upon a rock. But for some reason people here, say Jesus is lying, and I am building my house on legalism and hypocracy. If hypocracy is walking in righteousness, then the speaker is not following Jesus. The proof of where you are is do your words contradict Jesus? If you do, then you need to change or you will be disowned. Jesus gives people enough warning about this. It is not about earning salvation, as walking in it and not delusion and easy believism.

Now I respect grace7x77 for his preaching style and structure of argument, which shows he is a well trained preacher. It does not make him right, because everything is slightly changed so the gospel becomes something else. Love is not at the core. Acceptance of sinful behaviour is, because this is no longer an issue, because it is forgiven already. But show 1 verse which says sin is ok, anywhere where the Lord is concerned. Holiness is the key, but surface righteousness from another is meaningless. If Jesus has not cleansed you and transformed you, your hope is in vain.

We are a purchased holy people, not fake has beens, who never wore clean clothes to the wedding feast.

Dear Peter Jens ... no one here is saying we should be licentious ... you are flogging a dead horse.

 

[PeterJens]

"Sin is forgiven on the cross. Period"

You have to step back and understand what is being said here.
This idea comes from the idea sinful behaviour is the problem between man and God. So Jesus removed this problem, so though we are sinners we can how talk to the Father.

The hypocracy is the sinful behaviour is still present, it is just ignored. But this is what the pharisees thought about themselves, acceptable to God being children of Israel while continuing in hypocracy without cleansing their hearts.

The real problem between us and God is we blame Him for things being the way they are, and we can fix it on our own, stuff Him. Sin is the disease that springs from this failure, not the cause. Until we see love in our hearts at work, and start to come alive to Christ and life, really care for ourselves and others, it is just religion and words.

This is why so many talk such junk, because love has not been set alight within, it is just some religious formula, a way of changing the words to fit the latest version of faith they have invented. It is also why the apostles did not quite understand the disciples around them who flew off in different directions, because without love and the well spring of the Spirit refeshing you, the latest ideas will always appear more inviting.

Sin matters because it is the opposite of love, it kills relationships and our walk with the Lord.

 

[thepsalmist]

"Sin is forgiven on the cross. Period"

You have to step back and understand what is being said here.
This idea comes from the idea sinful behaviour is the problem between man and God. So Jesus removed this problem, so though we are sinners we can how talk to the Father.

The hypocracy is the sinful behaviour is still present, it is just ignored. But this is what the pharisees thought about themselves, acceptable to God being children of Israel while continuing in hypocracy without cleansing their hearts.

The real problem between us and God is we blame Him for things being the way they are, and we can fix it on our own, stuff Him. Sin is the disease that springs from this failure, not the cause. Until we see love in our hearts at work, and start to come alive to Christ and life, really care for ourselves and others, it is just religion and words.

This is why so many talk such junk, because love has not been set alight within, it is just some religious formula, a way of changing the words to fit the latest version of faith they have invented. It is also why the apostles did not quite understand the disciples around them who flew off in different directions, because without love and the well spring of the Spirit refeshing you, the latest ideas will always appear more inviting.

Sin matters because it is the opposite of love, it kills relationships and our walk with the Lord.

Of course sin matters .....

What JUNK???

 

[ladylynn]

Hey ember, thanks for the kind words. I've been in the middle of a move, back in California now. Traveled cross country. The first day I got internet at the new place I checked CC. Nice to see you, as well. That goes for Ladylynn, Grace777x70, VVilly and others, glad to see you guys still active.

Hey BEN!!! We have missed you! Good to see your posting today!! yahooo Ben is back!!!!!! and in sunny California

 

[PeterJens]

Dear Peter Jens ... no one here is saying we should be licentious ... you are flogging a dead horse.

Ofcourse you are right. No one is saying being licentious is ok, just sinning does not matter, because you are forgiven as you sin. Do you not hear the hypocracy in your words.

Or take speeding. If someone says "I agree that you should not speed, ever, but if you do, it is ok, because you will never be held accountable for speeding." That is hypocracy. It is also lying. Either speeding does not matter, or if you accidently speed, you say sorry and intend not to do it again. But halfway is neither hot nor cold, it is lukewarm.

And everyone should know what Gods thoughts are on being lukewarm.

 

[thepsalmist]

Ofcourse you are right. No one is saying being licentious is ok, just sinning does not matter, because you are forgiven as you sin. Do you not hear the hypocracy in your words.

Or take speeding. If someone says "I agree that you should not speed, ever, but if you do, it is ok, because you will never be held accountable for speeding." That is hypocracy. It is also lying. Either speeding does not matter, or if you accidently speed, you say sorry and intend not to do it again. But halfway is neither hot nor cold, it is lukewarm.

And everyone should know what Gods thoughts are on being lukewarm.

I never said that ... what you just said is slander ... you have falsely accused me. I have never said sin doe not matter.

You should go and ask forgiveness for that because according to yourself you have just lost salvation?

 

[thepsalmist]

Ofcourse you are right. No one is saying being licentious is ok, just sinning does not matter, because you are forgiven as you sin. Do you not hear the hypocracy in your words.

Or take speeding. If someone says "I agree that you should not speed, ever, but if you do, it is ok, because you will never be held accountable for speeding." That is hypocracy. It is also lying. Either speeding does not matter, or if you accidently speed, you say sorry and intend not to do it again. But halfway is neither hot nor cold, it is lukewarm.

And everyone should know what Gods thoughts are on being lukewarm.

What I AM saying is that you seem to not be hearing what others are really saying ...

 

[yureason]

JUST-as-IF-I-'e-D never sinned.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I never said that ... what you just said is slander ... you have falsely accused me. I have never said sin doe not matter.

You should go and ask forgiveness for that because according to yourself you have just lost salvation?

But others do say that sin doesn't matter to salvation. Maybe Peter has you confused with those.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Are we called to be perfect? Yes. We are perfect in Gods way if we follow Jesus, and keep His commands. So I am perfect in Jesus's definition of the word.

Were you reborn first and then keep HIS commandments or did you keep HIS commandments first and then reborn?

 

[yureason]

Were you reborn first and then keep HIS commandments or did you keep HIS commandments first and then reborn?

Another excellent question.

(I'm still struggling over the
'divine blood' one from the first page.)

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Another excellent question.

(I'm still struggling over the
'divine blood' one from the first page.)

I must admit,everytime I think of what you said,I LOL.

 

[phil112]

Well Phil......you are twisting my words again................

No, if you didn't mean that then you misused the word "paramount". That's why I put up the definition of the word. Personally I believe you simply misused the word, that you didn't want the meaning it actually has.
Which is why I posted as I did. To drive the point home.
But it went right over your head, and you didn't even have to duck. You said something you didn't mean and now you accuse me of twisting your words. Words that I posted the definition to because you didn't know what it means.
Which is exactly why I am so hard on you. You have no business trying to preach and teach - you don't even know what the words you use mean.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Are we called to be perfect? Yes. We are perfect in Gods way if we follow Jesus, and keep His commands. So I am perfect in Jesus's definition of the word.

Were you reborn first and then keep HIS commandments or did you keep HIS commandments first and then reborn?

Another excellent question.

The reason I asked that question though Is because he said follow JESUS AND keep HIS commandments.