The "Rapture"?
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Hey brother.. and may God bless you also
Can you show us where it says people will be ressurected only at the time Jesus returns to earth?
Thank you
oh and by the way, Paul says the rapture will be so fast, (faster than a blink of the eye) so can you explain how every person on earth will see him coming as lord. if many are raptured away so fast they do not even see him?
The angel when Jesus left. said that we would see him return just as we Saw him leave. How can that be if we are raptured at the point of his return?
Can you show us where it says people will be ressurected only at the time Jesus returns to earth?
Thank you
oh and by the way, Paul says the rapture will be so fast, (faster than a blink of the eye) so can you explain how every person on earth will see him coming as lord. if many are raptured away so fast they do not even see him?
The angel when Jesus left. said that we would see him return just as we Saw him leave. How can that be if we are raptured at the point of his return?
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if I may pick your brain here a bit referring to the 1st part of your third sentence... So when you read that passage in Thessalonians did you think to your self who cares what it is (I)( meaning you) won't be here, that would put you in the group of those who separate the word "church" from the word "saints" i.e. you believing that God would leave all those who he foreknew coming unto repentance and belief in him, leave them in the tribulation? your basically saying God will remove (this group of believers) before, cuz their not appointed unto wrath, but the tribulation believers sorry guys,I picked up the 1st group already you trib-believers gotta go threw it cuz you came to repentance/belief after I took the 1st group. i'll coin a new phase ill call it separation of "church" and "Saint" ? has a nice ring to it...
Brother Eternally grateful,
The verse in 1 Cor 15:23 says "at His coming," so I would assume this would be the best verse for supporting the idea of people being resurrected only at that time, His coming.
But how many times does He come? And which rapture is shown here?
First, the beginning of the 7yr trib,
the mid trib appearance,
the end of the 7yrs?
Which coming is shown in 1 Cor 15:23?
The explanation of what the angel said at Jesus' being "taken up" is that the clouds, are clouds of armies coming to destroy Jerusalem. And every eye shall see Him refers to the idea that every Jew will know that Jesus was the Messiah when the temple and Jerusalem are destroyed (Rev 6:12-17 6th seal, Lk 23:30)).
In the O.T. (I'm not going to look them up now but I can give them to you), God has been spoken of as "leading" armies against Jerusalem or pulling them by the nose. When Israel sinned against God (Jesus) He brought the armies.
Not every person on the planet, but every Jew will know. The destruction proved to them that Jesus was the Messiah.
I love your sign, I assume you are a vet (I am not), May God grant that all vets have a place beside the Groom at the wedding feast of His love.
The verse in 1 Cor 15:23 says "at His coming," so I would assume this would be the best verse for supporting the idea of people being resurrected only at that time, His coming.
But how many times does He come? And which rapture is shown here?
First, the beginning of the 7yr trib,
the mid trib appearance,
the end of the 7yrs?
Which coming is shown in 1 Cor 15:23?
The explanation of what the angel said at Jesus' being "taken up" is that the clouds, are clouds of armies coming to destroy Jerusalem. And every eye shall see Him refers to the idea that every Jew will know that Jesus was the Messiah when the temple and Jerusalem are destroyed (Rev 6:12-17 6th seal, Lk 23:30)).
In the O.T. (I'm not going to look them up now but I can give them to you), God has been spoken of as "leading" armies against Jerusalem or pulling them by the nose. When Israel sinned against God (Jesus) He brought the armies.
Not every person on the planet, but every Jew will know. The destruction proved to them that Jesus was the Messiah.
I love your sign, I assume you are a vet (I am not), May God grant that all vets have a place beside the Groom at the wedding feast of His love.
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lol yes E.G. I have privately entertained the picture of the transformation leaving where ever we are and the color flares like in star trek flying out of our feet hoping to be wearing goggles as the wind dries out my eyes looking towards him on final approach...lol (sorry it just popped in my head).
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if I may pick your brain here a bit referring to the 1st part of your third sentence... So when you read that passage in Thessalonians did you think to your self who cares what it is (I)( meaning you) won't be here, that would put you in the group of those who separate the word "church" from the word "saints" i.e. you believing that God would leave all those who he foreknew coming unto repentance and belief in him, leave them in the tribulation? your basically saying God will remove (this group of believers) before, cuz their not appointed unto wrath, but the tribulation believers sorry guys,I picked up the 1st group already you trib-believers gotta go threw it cuz you came to repentance/belief after I took the 1st group. i'll coin a new phase ill call it separation of "church" and "Saint" ? has a nice ring to it...
The ten virgin parable has saint left behind over an amount of oil.
Someone could point to their foolishness,or slam the king for being petty.
I will say they were foolish.
"pray that you will be counted worthy to escape the things about to come on to the world...."
I pray that regularly. Jesus ,by saying "worthy" implies,as does the virgin parable,some ARE NOT WORTHY.
The laborers that worked thirty minutes were paid the same as those working all day. They complained,with human reasoning,but were corrected by the master.
I won't leave stuff out to fit human reasoning.
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if I may pick your brain here a bit referring to the 1st part of your third sentence... So when you read that passage in Thessalonians did you think to your self who cares what it is (I)( meaning you) won't be here, that would put you in the group of those who separate the word "church" from the word "saints" i.e. you believing that God would leave all those who he foreknew coming unto repentance and belief in him, leave them in the tribulation? your basically saying God will remove (this group of believers) before, cuz their not appointed unto wrath, but the tribulation believers sorry guys,I picked up the 1st group already you trib-believers gotta go threw it cuz you came to repentance/belief after I took the 1st group. i'll coin a new phase ill call it separation of "church" and "Saint" ? has a nice ring to it...
Then corners,followed by gleaners.
Gods table will include the ones saved during the GT.
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If I may borrow a portion of the parable,that would be correct they in the parable all have heard the word of his coming and half were foolish not to conserve/maintain their oil... no where does it imply to those who haven't heard yet or received their lamp and oil. and if I may (ROLL the tape here) the latter half are not allowed in due to lack of oil but had a lamp like the rest and had oil in the beginning like the rest but were foolish in maintaining the oil, so your implying here using "this" parable the latter five lost their chance at the rapture? and so explain to me how does this parable apply to those in the trib?
Ahwatukee,
When you read this, what do you see? A giant meteor crashing into the ocean? Well it isn't.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Is this how you apply the symbolism, literally? What does Jeremiah say?
Jer 51: [SUP]24 [/SUP]“And I will repay Babylon And all the inhabitants of Chaldea For all the evil they have done In Zion in your sight,” says the Lord. [SUP]25 [/SUP]“Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain, Who destroys all the earth,” says the Lord. “And I will stretch out My hand against you, Roll you down from the rocks, And make you a burnt mountain.
If you truly know how to apply OT symbols then you see this "Burning Mountain" as the false harlot religion "Babylon." The "sea" are the unruly people. Hint: They aren't Catholics.
When you read this, what do you see? A giant meteor crashing into the ocean? Well it isn't.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
Is this how you apply the symbolism, literally? What does Jeremiah say?
Jer 51: [SUP]24 [/SUP]“And I will repay Babylon And all the inhabitants of Chaldea For all the evil they have done In Zion in your sight,” says the Lord. [SUP]25 [/SUP]“Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain, Who destroys all the earth,” says the Lord. “And I will stretch out My hand against you, Roll you down from the rocks, And make you a burnt mountain.
If you truly know how to apply OT symbols then you see this "Burning Mountain" as the false harlot religion "Babylon." The "sea" are the unruly people. Hint: They aren't Catholics.
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I had an idea for a film along the lines of 'Left Behind' except post-trib.
Lots of people follow the beast. They rationalize, "He can't be the anti-Christ because the rapture hasn't happened yet. And I am eternally saved, because I repeated a prayer after a preacher once."
That's about like me saying; "since you guys didn't discern Jesus clear teaching,who's to say,after the rapture,you guys think the implant is cool and take the mark"
.......but what is the point?
Another false tale spread by our good friend Popeye. There is no mention of anyone being killed for refusing the mark. The "mark" is associated with being one of three things you need in order to buy or sell. It's not worshiping the image or copy of the beast that will get you killed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Fortunately, the Beast is the radical Islamic force to the north of Israel. So unless they come to your hometown, you have little to fear except from the occasional suicidal fanatic that made his way to other parts of the world.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Fortunately, the Beast is the radical Islamic force to the north of Israel. So unless they come to your hometown, you have little to fear except from the occasional suicidal fanatic that made his way to other parts of the world.
Brother Popeye,
I am interested in the four harvests.
The first is Jesus and the patriarchs, (144000, MTNMC Number?).
The second that you called the main one, (1 Thess 4, Matt 25)
But what are the resurrections after that, (corners, gleaners)?
What are the corner and gleaner raptures (resurrections)? What events would they represent in the prophetic timeline?
I am interested in the four harvests.
The first is Jesus and the patriarchs, (144000, MTNMC Number?).
The second that you called the main one, (1 Thess 4, Matt 25)
But what are the resurrections after that, (corners, gleaners)?
What are the corner and gleaner raptures (resurrections)? What events would they represent in the prophetic timeline?