GOD IS YOUR STRENGTH

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thepsalmist

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Some people are weak, some people are strong. For those who don't have the will power to stop smoking, then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow. For those with a strong enough will, that intervention is not necessary. Same result.
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Wow ... that struck me as something an atheist would say ... only you insert something like "well, if all else fails, might as well give God a shot".

I have never met someone caught in the middle like that ... a house divided???
 
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thepsalmist said:
Wow ... that struck me as something an atheist would say ... only you insert something like "well, if all else fails, might as well give God a shot".

I have never met someone caught in the middle like that ... a house divided???
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If GOD tells you to do something and gives you the ability to do it, how is it a house divided to do that thing? What you do is who you love.
 
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Carry the burdens of one another, and so fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2
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How are you carrying the burdens of others by making a statement like this:

HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Some people are weak, some people are strong. For those who don't have the will power to stop smoking, then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow. For those with a strong enough will, that intervention is not necessary. Same result.
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thepsalmist said:
Wow ... that struck me as something an atheist would say ... only you insert something like "well, if all else fails, might as well give God a shot".

I have never met someone caught in the middle like that ... a house divided???
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Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. The self-effort D.I Y. mindset is at odds with living from the life of Christ within us. They view it as "them" doing it and not the life of God in them altho they can mask it when they sometimes use words like - God, Word, Spirit etc. in their speech. - but in reality they are relying on themselves...this is where they come up with terms "then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow"...it reveals where their real trust and life is in and it is not really in Christ alone.
 
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1ofthem said:
That was an awesome post with such a good message. Thanks for posting that. I really needed that message today. I having been struggling with different things in my life and have felt like such a failure. You're post encouraged me to just give it over to God and let him fix it. I can't do anything in myself but God can do all things.
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Let me encourage you with this verse:

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13


 
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Grace777x70 said:
Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. The self-effort D.I Y. mindset is at odds with living from the life of Christ within us. They view it as "them" doing it and not the life of God in them altho they can mask it when they sometimes use words like - God, Word, Spirit etc. in their speech. - but in reality they are relying on themselves...this is where they come up with terms "then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow"...it reveals where their real trust and life is in and it is not really in Christ alone.
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Nods solemnly ... absolutely, brother ....
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. The self-effort D.I Y. mindset is at odds with living from the life of Christ within us. They view it as "them" doing it and not the life of God in them altho they can mask it when they sometimes use words like - God, Word, Spirit etc. in their speech. - but in reality they are relying on themselves...this is where they come up with terms "then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow"...it reveals where their real trust and life is in and it is not really in Christ alone.
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This is the false characterization that makes your entire doctrine built on a sand. Great will be the collapse of it.
 
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roaringkitten said:

Let me encourage you with this verse:

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13
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Thanks, you all have been really encouraging today...I have enjoyed reading your posts. It has really strengthened me...Thank you!
 
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Some more Scriptures for thought that go with the OP:

"The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower." Psa 18:2

"It is God that girdeth me with strength, and maketh my way perfect." Psa 18:32

"The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" Psa 27:1

"Wait on the Lord: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the Lord." Psa 27:14

"The Lord will give strength unto his people; the Lord will bless his people with peace." Psa 29:11

"..the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Cor 1:25
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. The self-effort D.I Y. mindset is at odds with living from the life of Christ within us. They view it as "them" doing it and not the life of God in them altho they can mask it when they sometimes use words like - God, Word, Spirit etc. in their speech. - but in reality they are relying on themselves...this is where they come up with terms "then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow"...it reveals where their real trust and life is in and it is not really in Christ alone.
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Good observation. DIY comes with a yo-yo!
 
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Good observation. DIY comes with a yo-yo!
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True!...I like how one of our brothers ( JesusIsAll ) put it...he called that yo-yo salvation as a "saved cycle"..if you do good enough deeds then you are in a "saved cycle" and if not then you are out again...he says this kind of a mindset's only hope is to die while in a " saved cycle "..or they are not going to heaven...it's crazy when you actually think of it...let alone it violates the integrity of what Jesus said and what He has already done for us in His finished work. They have complete distain for the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I hear what you are saying. Self-willed people tend to look down on others that don't have "their" will-power in certain areas like they do. It's a sign of self-righteousness and pride but we did not learn Christ this way. I encourage you to listen to messages on the grace and unconditional love of God for us. This D.I.Y. self-effort/righteousness/holiness mindset is of the flesh only. It's the life of Christ in us as we depend on Him only is what really transforms us.


Have a great weekend!....:)
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I'm sorry I didn't see this post earlier for some reason. Are you OSAS? I was taught as a child that people who believed in OSAS thought they could just totally disregard the word of God and still be saved. I was told they went around blatantly sinning and didn't even care about the word of God. So I shied away from OSAS, but a couple of years ago I met someone who explained it to me and it was nothing like what I had been told. He said that OSAS believed that OSAS didn't mean that you could use grace as a cloak just so you could keep sinning, it actually meant that you were transformed through grace and faith in God. He was a really good guy and was a light to me.
 
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1ofthem said:
I'm sorry I didn't see this post earlier for some reason. Are you OSAS? I was taught as a child that people who believed in OSAS thought they could just totally disregard the word of God and still be saved. I was told they went around blatantly sinning and didn't even care about the word of God. So I shied away from OSAS, but a couple of years ago I met someone who explained it to me and it was nothing like what I had been told. He said that OSAS believed that OSAS didn't mean that you could use grace as a cloak just so you could keep sinning, it actually meant that you were transformed through grace and faith in God. He was a really good guy and was a light to me.
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It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us. That is a false accusation that says grace believers or OSAS say it's ok to do whatever you want. That is not the gospel of grace of Christ. Sin is destructive and will affect your life here on this earth and always hurt those around us. It destroys the witness of Jesus in our lives.

The true grace of God reaches us how to live godly in this present world. The self/righteousness/holiness mindset is that they are changing themselves to create righteousness or to maintain it. But when we find out about the true grace of Christ - we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ in us and His life is what transforms us. It's struggle free when we know that we are safe in Him. This releases His life in us to go on to maturity. With security brings maturity.
 
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1ofthem said:
I'm sorry I didn't see this post earlier for some reason. Are you OSAS? I was taught as a child that people who believed in OSAS thought they could just totally disregard the word of God and still be saved. I was told they went around blatantly sinning and didn't even care about the word of God. So I shied away from OSAS, but a couple of years ago I met someone who explained it to me and it was nothing like what I had been told. He said that OSAS believed that OSAS didn't mean that you could use grace as a cloak just so you could keep sinning, it actually meant that you were transformed through grace and faith in God. He was a really good guy and was a light to me.
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This may help to bring some light on the grace of our Lord..

There are 2 aspects to grace. First our Lord deals with the religious people that want to pronounce the law on her and to stone her. He reveals their self righteousness and they go away.

1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".

It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.

2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.

Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because of what Christ has done for us.


The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you." The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things!

Knowing that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!

 Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested in total security.


What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based gospel have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous!

 
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Grace777x70 said:
It is all by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us. That is a false accusation that says grace believers or OSAS say it's ok to do whatever you want. That is not the gospel of grace of Christ. Sin is destructive and will affect your life here on this earth and always hurt those around us. It destroys the witness of Jesus in our lives.

The true grace of God reaches us how to live godly in this present world. The self/righteousness/holiness mindset is that they are changing themselves to create righteousness or to maintain it. But when we find out about the true grace of Christ - we grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ in us and His life is what transforms us. It's struggle free when we know that we are safe in Him. This releases His life in us to go on to maturity. With security brings maturity.
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I think that is why I have felt like a failure so many times in my life...Because I did try to rely upon myself and not the grace of God. Sometimes I would run well and feel like I was on cloud 9 and seem to get lifted up in myself at those times I always fell and great was my fall. Looking back on it now I know it was God's way of showing me that I am nothing within myself and should not glory in myself..But I should depend upon him and glory in his power and might...because I am nothing without him and his grace.

I'm glad that I have met you; you are a light.

Have a good weekend:)
 
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1ofthem said:
I think that is why I have felt like a failure so many times in my life...Because I did try to rely upon myself and not the grace of God. Sometimes I would run well and feel like I was on cloud 9 and seem to get lifted up in myself at those times I always fell and great was my fall. Looking back on it now I know it was God's way of showing me that I am nothing within myself and should not glory in myself..But I should depend upon him and glory in his power and might...because I am nothing without him and his grace.

I'm glad that I have met you; you are a light.

Have a good weekend:)
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Thanks for sharing! :) I was touched by the part bolded above.

"Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord." Jer 9:23-24
 
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He is the rock of my salvation:

"O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation." Psa 95:1

He ONLY is my salvation.

"He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved." Psa 62:6

No room for DIY!

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Rev 7:9-10

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roaringkitten said:
He is the rock of my salvation:

"O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation." Psa 95:1

He ONLY is my salvation.

"He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved." Psa 62:6

No room for DIY!

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." Rev 7:9-10

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I have really enjoyed reading the word of God that you have posted. You are a blessing...I have enjoyed this discussion today and I am going to try and get on this site more often. It is a blessing to be able to have discussions with good Christians like you....

I hope you have a great weekend...:)
 
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1ofthem said:
I have really enjoyed reading the word of God that you have posted. You are a blessing...I have enjoyed this discussion today and I am going to try and get on this site more often. It is a blessing to be able to have discussions with good Christians like you....

I hope you have a great weekend...:)
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My friend, just be careful of the folks here on CC that teach salvation by works. Every person I have had conversations with who did not believe salvation was secure, I have found they are trusting in their own works for salvation!

Lord bless yourself!:)
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Some people are weak, some people are strong. For those who don't have the will power to stop smoking, then their only hope is for GOD to intervene somehow. For those with a strong enough will, that intervention is not necessary. Same result.
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thepsalmist said:
Wow ... that struck me as something an atheist would say ... only you insert something like "well, if all else fails, might as well give God a shot".

I have never met someone caught in the middle like that ... a house divided???
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
If GOD tells you to do something and gives you the ability to do it, how is it a house divided to do that thing? What you do is who you love.
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The flesh which operates by sense knowledge wants all the credit and the spirit which operates by faith also wants all the credit but the flesh does not give life, the spirit gives life.

A person either gives themself the credit or give GOD the credit but not both.

Once the person Is reborn then renew the mind.
 
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