the two witnesses are God the Father and the Holy Spirit

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notuptome

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badger58 said:
I understand why the Pharisees could not receive new wine in old wine skins. How they rejected the Lord because of jealousy. It's clear that the twelve deciples had a different spirit. The internet is the ultimate market place for idea's, some good, some bad.what is the chaff to the wheat? We must strive to have the mind of Christ. If our heart is in the right place,our Father will keep us. Let the word of God be true and every man a liar. The sheep know the shepherds voice. Peace
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John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is what Jesus said on the matter. Men know right from wrong and with determination of their own self will transgress God.

For the cause of Christ
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badger58

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notuptome said:
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This is what Jesus said on the matter. Men know right from wrong and with determination of their own self will transgress God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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His word is sharper than any two edged sword. Amen!
 
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Many good ideas. I think the two witnesses would be the law in respect to Moses whoi s used to typfy our father in heaven as the law giver and the prophets in respect to the Spirit or power of Elijah, the Spirit of Christ that worked in him as he does work in us to witness to us.

Two is the number that God has assigned to the body of Christ the church .He sends out two by two. Like the dynamic duels.

He uses Aaron and Moses to set the standard of the two witnesses (of God and of men).

Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say. And he said, O my LORD, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I" will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth", and will teach you what ye shall do. Exo 4:12

Or I think we could say like two witnesses as we are informed in Philippians. He works in us to both to will (reveal his will) and do (empower us with the spirit of Elijah , the Holy Spirit) altogether according to His good pleasure.
 
wolfwint

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badger58 said:
When the time came for the Christ to appear, God did not look on the earth for a good man to draft. He Knew from the foundation of the world, that only God was qualified for the office. The two witnesses are going to be on display for the entire world to see, think about that. More media than Jesus, a bigger stage to act on, more power displayed. It's hard for me to understand how two human beings or what other theory that people have. Does not make sense to me. To me, it seems logical to see Moses and Aaron as a type, a movie on the small screen. Every thing is stepped up, it on a much grander scale. Satan has his final dream team. God is going to one up him. The two witnesses will melt mountains topple governments, dry up rivers and oceans. Lead a second exodus, and all the while preach the gospel to a rebellious world for 3 1/2 years. Same amount of time Jesus preached.
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Sorry, by best will i cant follow your theory! From scripture i find no proof for this idea. And one question: For what reason Holy Spirit and God Father should come into flesh? The reason why Jesus came into flesh is clear! But for what reason God and Holy Spirit should do it? This is realy not clear!
 
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garee said:
Many good ideas. I think the two witnesses would be the law in respect to Moses whoi s used to typfy our father in heaven as the law giver and the prophets in respect to the Spirit or power of Elijah, the Spirit of Christ that worked in him as he does work in us to witness to us.

Two is the number that God has assigned to the body of Christ the church .He sends out two by two. Like the dynamic duels.

He uses Aaron and Moses to set the standard of the two witnesses (of God and of men).

Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say. And he said, O my LORD, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I" will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth", and will teach you what ye shall do. Exo 4:12

Or I think we could say like two witnesses as we are informed in Philippians. He works in us to both to will (reveal his will) and do (empower us with the spirit of Elijah , the Holy Spirit) altogether according to His good pleasure.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9-10
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. This scripture backs up your point and is key to understanding who the two witnesses are.
 
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Doesn't it rouse your curiosity that the two witnesses lay dead 3 days and then resurrected on earth and then go to heaven, as Jesus did? The same sign by which Jesus gave to prove who he was. Hmm
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So you're saying Christ will die a third time? Thats not supported in Scripture.
 
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wolfwint said:
Sorry, by best will i cant follow your theory! From scripture i find no proof for this idea. And one question: For what reason Holy Spirit and God Father should come into flesh? The reason why Jesus came into flesh is clear! But for what reason God and Holy Spirit should do it? This is realy not clear!
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I understand your skepticism. I think you might see what I'm saying if you do a phrase search in the blue letter bible or any bible that allows you to do this: Phrase search(I will kindle a fire) this will show many verses that describe the end time events pertaining to the two witnesses. I realize Elijah called down fire, but I think that's different than what the two witnesses will do.
 
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kaylagrl said:
So you're saying Christ will die a third time? Thats not supported in Scripture.
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Your correct the scripture would not support such an idea,but if you did a study on the altar sacrifices, you could understand what I am saying.
It is said that the heart of Judaism was the temple, and the heart of the temple was the altar. Absolutely critical to understand the altar sacrifices Bulls, Rams,Lambs and goats. What happened at the altar. One of the most amazing bible studies you can ever do.
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badger58 said:
I understand your skepticism. I think you might see what I'm saying if you do a phrase search in the blue letter bible or any bible that allows you to do this: Phrase search(I will kindle a fire) this will show many verses that describe the end time events pertaining to the two witnesses. I realize Elijah called down fire, but I think that's different than what the two witnesses will do.
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I would agree. As Moses is used to represent God not seen, Elijah is used to represent the power or authority of God as the judgment on the last day.
 
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badger58 said:
Your correct the scripture would not support such an idea,but if you did a study on the altar sacrifices, you could understand what I am saying.
It is said that the heart of Judaism was the temple, and the heart of the temple was the altar. Absolutely critical to understand the altar sacrifices Bulls, Rams,Lambs and goats. What happened at the altar. One of the most amazing bible studies you can ever do.
Peace
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I'm sure its very interesting but still doesn't support the belief that Jesus will die a third time.Its not in the Bible no matter how much study you do. The NT says the anti-christ will bring false peace,then he will turn on the Jews and they will come to believe in the Messiah. Jesus is not one of the two witnesses,it doesn't make sense.
 
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I would agree. As Moses is used to represent God not seen, Elijah is used to represent the power or authority of God as the judgment on the last day.
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Yes, also all the prophet's before and after Moses were speaking as the oracle of God. But at the end God will speak for Himself.
He will have his say. Satan will get his wish,but will end up in the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were cast. Praise to our Father. May the Lord keep you and yours
 
wolfwint

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badger58 said:
I understand your skepticism. I think you might see what I'm saying if you do a phrase search in the blue letter bible or any bible that allows you to do this: Phrase search(I will kindle a fire) this will show many verses that describe the end time events pertaining to the two witnesses. I realize Elijah called down fire, but I think that's different than what the two witnesses will do.
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But still for what reason God father and Holy Spirit should come in flesh, like Jesus did?
 
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kaylagrl said:
I'm sure its very interesting but still doesn't support the belief that Jesus will die a third time.Its not in the Bible no matter how much study you do. The NT says the anti-christ will bring false peace,then he will turn on the Jews and they will come to believe in the Messiah. Jesus is not one of the two witnesses,it doesn't make sense.
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Read the title to this thread. Peace
 
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wolfwint said:
Sorry, by best will i cant follow your theory! From scripture i find no proof for this idea. And one question: For what reason Holy Spirit and God Father should come into flesh? The reason why Jesus came into flesh is clear! But for what reason God and Holy Spirit should do it? This is realy not clear!
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You ask a very good question! The bible, the church, even the angels demand an answer. Jesus gave witness, that's it case closed, next question. But wait a minute! Isn't it written that Judgment in a capital case could only proceed on the testimony of two or three witnesses? It's the law! And its in the old and the new testament. If the two witnesses fail to back up the Lord Jesus' witness, then his testimony must be thrown out of court. That would seem to be the reason. Peace
 
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badger58 said:
You ask a very good question! The bible, the church, even the angels demand an answer. Jesus gave witness, that's it case closed, next question. But wait a minute! Isn't it written that Judgment in a capital case could only proceed on the testimony of two or three witnesses? It's the law! And its in the old and the new testament. If the two witnesses fail to back up the Lord Jesus' witness, then his testimony must be thrown out of court. That would seem to be the reason. Peace
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If i am not wrong, you brought up this threat with the statement that God father and the Holy Spirit are the two witness in Revelation 11. Till now this is a statement without biblical proof. OK. it´s your believe. But please dont present it as truth, otherwise it would be a lie.
 
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Brother badger58,

What you are asking is impossible.

Will you say that the Father himself will put on a physical body? And that the Holy Spirit will also take on a physical body? Come to this earth, die and then be resurrected to heaven?

I think Jesus did that already, He won't be doing it again.
 
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badger58 said:
You will know them by there fruit.
Its very easy to discern the difference between Bereans and Pharisees. Unable to reason through through the scripture. You do reveal yourself. Do you not see. I'm only looking for Bereans.
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What I see is a foolish guess about a prophecy made by someone that has no clue what Revelation is actually saying.
Foolish guess' are made by foolish people, or by regular people saying foolish things.
Tell me, which are you?
 
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I don't see any reason to believe the two witnesses are people.
 
JosephsDreams

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Moses and Elijah is what some students of the bible say. They will symbolize all the prophets who came before, whom Israel disregarded.
 
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Mark 9:11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?

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