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Well, there was a bit of cross pollination there...lol, 
But he is 74, do born in 1942, so in the 1950's he was in his teens, and by 1970 was 28, and obviously 38 by 1980. So he grew up firmly entrenched in a lot of it.
But yeah, if he was about 8 years older, he would have been in a more ideal age group. But he is close enough, right on the precipice to have been indoctrinated by his parents and teachers and older family members.
I was born in '59, and even I remember a lot of that mind set of people older then me. They were after all, still the power in the country in the '60's and '70's.
But he is 74, do born in 1942, so in the 1950's he was in his teens, and by 1970 was 28, and obviously 38 by 1980. So he grew up firmly entrenched in a lot of it.
But yeah, if he was about 8 years older, he would have been in a more ideal age group. But he is close enough, right on the precipice to have been indoctrinated by his parents and teachers and older family members.
I was born in '59, and even I remember a lot of that mind set of people older then me. They were after all, still the power in the country in the '60's and '70's.
You missed my point.
I never said I did not have sympathy for him, nor did I imply it.
What he said about quacks and MD's being the only source of advice is dangerous and ill informed.
I stand by it.
You may not like how I made my point, but I was not asking for everyone's approval or acceptance. I am not looking to rile anyone, but conversely, I am not taking a poll.
And I never judged him as a man, a human or a Christian.
Your lowering the standard of the conversation, not me.
If you knew me and said that, it might mean something to me...
I never said I did not have sympathy for him, nor did I imply it.
What he said about quacks and MD's being the only source of advice is dangerous and ill informed.
I stand by it.
You may not like how I made my point, but I was not asking for everyone's approval or acceptance. I am not looking to rile anyone, but conversely, I am not taking a poll.
And I never judged him as a man, a human or a Christian.
Your lowering the standard of the conversation, not me.
If you knew me and said that, it might mean something to me...
Did you not read a word of what I wrote? I was an organic vegetarian, I ate wonderfully for 25 years before I got RA.
If anyone should not have gotten sick, it is me! Then take my mom! She is 86 and has never been sick a day in her life. She ate beef 2 to 3 meals a day for 50+ years. She had a small garden, but it was mostly to save money. She drank, she partied, and she was never sick. I imagine she will live another 10 or 20 years. Till she is over 100, too!
But it is not a lifestyle choice, or eating the right foods. It is about genetics. My mother and father both had sisters who died of pneumonia when they were 5 years old. There were no antibiotics in those days.
So did I get the unhealthy lung genes? I think so! I was incredibly active, and up to the last year, I have been riding my bike over 30 km every second day. I watched my pulmonary lung function go from 750 on a peak flow meter, down to 550 after getting pneumonias and asthma. The doctors couldn't believe how big my lungs were - partly from exercise, and partly from playing flute.
But illness caused me to lose it. Because those are the bad genes I was dealt. And then, the RA, well, my grandmother, raised on an organic farm had it, and a cousin got it age 1 1/2. She also lived in the country, and ate naturally. Or do you think my cousin needed to eat the 5 right foods as a toddler?
I guess some people are just always going to be quacks, with their know-nothing YouTube videos. I guess you just can't educate the whole world -especially arrogant people who have never been sick a day in their lives. I would pray that you never get sick, but perhaps God has some sort of healing of the spirit which will be accomplished through sickness, like it was with me!
God used my RA in amazing ways, so now I follow Christ and nothing else, and hopefully, all the days of my life!
If anyone should not have gotten sick, it is me! Then take my mom! She is 86 and has never been sick a day in her life. She ate beef 2 to 3 meals a day for 50+ years. She had a small garden, but it was mostly to save money. She drank, she partied, and she was never sick. I imagine she will live another 10 or 20 years. Till she is over 100, too!
But it is not a lifestyle choice, or eating the right foods. It is about genetics. My mother and father both had sisters who died of pneumonia when they were 5 years old. There were no antibiotics in those days.
So did I get the unhealthy lung genes? I think so! I was incredibly active, and up to the last year, I have been riding my bike over 30 km every second day. I watched my pulmonary lung function go from 750 on a peak flow meter, down to 550 after getting pneumonias and asthma. The doctors couldn't believe how big my lungs were - partly from exercise, and partly from playing flute.
But illness caused me to lose it. Because those are the bad genes I was dealt. And then, the RA, well, my grandmother, raised on an organic farm had it, and a cousin got it age 1 1/2. She also lived in the country, and ate naturally. Or do you think my cousin needed to eat the 5 right foods as a toddler?
I guess some people are just always going to be quacks, with their know-nothing YouTube videos. I guess you just can't educate the whole world -especially arrogant people who have never been sick a day in their lives. I would pray that you never get sick, but perhaps God has some sort of healing of the spirit which will be accomplished through sickness, like it was with me!
God used my RA in amazing ways, so now I follow Christ and nothing else, and hopefully, all the days of my life!
Well, there was a bit of cross pollination there...lol,
But he is 74, do born in 1942, so in the 1950's he was in his teens, and by 1970 was 28, and obviously 38 by 1980. So he grew up firmly entrenched in a lot of it.
But yeah, if he was about 8 years older, he would have been in a more ideal age group. But he is close enough, right on the precipice to have been indoctrinated by his parents and teachers and older family members.
I was born in '59, and even I remember a lot of that mind set of people older then me. They were after all, still the power in the country in the '60's and '70's.
But he is 74, do born in 1942, so in the 1950's he was in his teens, and by 1970 was 28, and obviously 38 by 1980. So he grew up firmly entrenched in a lot of it.
But yeah, if he was about 8 years older, he would have been in a more ideal age group. But he is close enough, right on the precipice to have been indoctrinated by his parents and teachers and older family members.
I was born in '59, and even I remember a lot of that mind set of people older then me. They were after all, still the power in the country in the '60's and '70's.
So, I'd have to say that I really don't see a lot of what you are talking about. And my story is close to the same as most of my friends.......... though admittedly, I see people all around me, from 25 to my age who are total physical wrecks.
BTW, my 80 year-old sister-in-law "fast-walks" marathons, and she climbed Diamond Head with her grandson last year.
It can happen Angela. You are obviously a testament to that. I think you know I never claimed 100% all the time.
I am generalizing, talking about the odds.
Genetics play a smaller role then you think if you live a ideal lifestyle.
I cold get sick tomorrow and die next week. I accept that. I may only live another 10 years. Who knows.
I am just saying that because of my lifestyle, I have much better odds of living healthier to a older age then the person my age who is on a traditional American diet.
I know you need to take meds. I think you know, if you read my other posts, that no one should stop making meds without their doctors permission. Some people need to be on them forever.
What I am saying is that this country is over medicated, and that if people would improve their life style, a lot of them would be able to either decrease their dosage, or eliminate them all together.
If the meds had no dangerous side effects, I would not be harping on this the way I am. But as I said in a previous post, the meds in some cases are doing near, or as much, in the long term, harm as good.
They are very powerful synthetic drugs. They can make a unbearable life bearable for some people. And they have no real choice.
But in the long term they take a toll on the body. If one can avoid that with a lifestyle closer to what God intended, and reduce or eliminate the drugs, then why not do it, is my point.
Why this dogmatic adherent to the sanctity of drugs for some people?
I think there are a fair number of people who, even if they could not change their diet and/or lifestyle much, could get similar results with herbs, essential oils, Bach flower treatments, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, grounding, vibrational therapies, protelytic enzymes, probiotics, super foods like blue green algae's, infra red saunas, and quite a few other supplements and modalities that are far more gentle to the body. And in some cases, again not all of the time, but can be very effective.
Herbs are Gods natural medicine cabinet. They can do wonders for some people.
I am generalizing, talking about the odds.
Genetics play a smaller role then you think if you live a ideal lifestyle.
I cold get sick tomorrow and die next week. I accept that. I may only live another 10 years. Who knows.
I am just saying that because of my lifestyle, I have much better odds of living healthier to a older age then the person my age who is on a traditional American diet.
I know you need to take meds. I think you know, if you read my other posts, that no one should stop making meds without their doctors permission. Some people need to be on them forever.
What I am saying is that this country is over medicated, and that if people would improve their life style, a lot of them would be able to either decrease their dosage, or eliminate them all together.
If the meds had no dangerous side effects, I would not be harping on this the way I am. But as I said in a previous post, the meds in some cases are doing near, or as much, in the long term, harm as good.
They are very powerful synthetic drugs. They can make a unbearable life bearable for some people. And they have no real choice.
But in the long term they take a toll on the body. If one can avoid that with a lifestyle closer to what God intended, and reduce or eliminate the drugs, then why not do it, is my point.
Why this dogmatic adherent to the sanctity of drugs for some people?
I think there are a fair number of people who, even if they could not change their diet and/or lifestyle much, could get similar results with herbs, essential oils, Bach flower treatments, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, grounding, vibrational therapies, protelytic enzymes, probiotics, super foods like blue green algae's, infra red saunas, and quite a few other supplements and modalities that are far more gentle to the body. And in some cases, again not all of the time, but can be very effective.
Herbs are Gods natural medicine cabinet. They can do wonders for some people.
And yes, you probably would embarrass me with how you looked at my age. But it is not all about the cosmetic. Some of the best looking bodies in the cemetery are those of body builders who took steroids to look they way they do.
It is the blood work, what the numbers show.
But, from what I can gather from what you said, you probably had good blood work numbers too. But again, you are a exception.
It is the blood work, what the numbers show.
But, from what I can gather from what you said, you probably had good blood work numbers too. But again, you are a exception.
No wonder I have you on ignore! So lacking in compassion, so self righteous!
My biggest concern is that I have run out of meds that work! I would love to have to deal with side effects, if I could just get one of these cancer drugs to stop my RA!
Dont worry Mr "Supposed" Enlightenment. You will be on ignore till the end of time!
My biggest concern is that I have run out of meds that work! I would love to have to deal with side effects, if I could just get one of these cancer drugs to stop my RA!
Dont worry Mr "Supposed" Enlightenment. You will be on ignore till the end of time!
in response to the o.p.
i agree with your note the use or non use is up to the individual and if they feel it will help them.
this is a topic i have touched on time to time in past post and its been awhile so i guess i could give a few thoughts on it again. testament- test/ament - examinaton/mentia- mentia= the mind/of the mind testament -examination of the mind--
certain illnesses clearly require medical treatment. those illnesses that can be found during a medical examination like finding a tumor or broken bone or internal bleeding or infection as examples, can be discovered even if the patient is unable to express their illness. when someone has an infection there is no reason to advise them they don't need antibiotics.
so what about mental illness that is not caused by any physical medical condition yet is treated and prescribed like a physical medical condition. a blood test can determine if you are diabetic but i'm not aware of anyone having a blood test that shows they are bi-polar or schizophrenic. to someone who has been diagnosed with a chemical imbalance in the brain i would ask what physical test did they use to determine that?
so lets compare diagnosis with a few people from the bible.
patient noah, heard God tell him to build a big boat because the world was going to end.
noah is delusional and it might have been caused by his known use of alcohol or a chemical imbalance in the brain. give the patient lithium until patient no longer desires to build boat or listen to the "voice of God"
patient abraham, claims to have had dinner with God and during dinner God made it possible for his wife to have a child. years later claimed the voice of God asked him to offer that child up as a sacrifice to God as proof of his love and obedience to God. at the last second abraham was stopped and a ram was substituted instead of his son.
clearly abraham is suffering from mental illness. could be caused by dementia due to his old age or other unknown factors. abraham should be institutionalized so as not to be a harm to his family or to others in society. prescribe heavy anti-psychotics indefinitely. put a hold on his son isaac for observation as he clearly knew what was going on yet didn't try to escape from his insane father prescribe risperdal.
moses claims to have seen a burning bush that wasn't consumed by the flames which told him it was God and was told to go and free the slaves held in egypt. was given a stick and allowed to bring his brother along. clearly delusional,institutionalize indefinitely under heavy anti psychotics.
now i'm sure those examples might upset people. after all the people today are not noah abraham and moses. so those things couldn't possibly be happening to them in this day and age. testament indeed.
i know the fear a schizophrenic experiences during paranoia, and the wild swings of emotion of a bi-polar. its almost like there is a larger consciousness throughout humanity we are not aware of that is searching for something. those wild mood swings are almost like there are two sides to my personality fighting with each other. like a physical side and a spiritual side that i move from one side of the ring to the other being hit by the boxers, don't they know i'm supposed to be the referee? now i know i'm off on a tangent and most wont care to follow but you choose your own seeds for your garden and not every seed has to be to your liking.
i think a lot of the difficulties we have with some mental illnesses are that so many people are not able to examine them in a spiritual manner for them to be properly dealt with so they turn to a physical manner to be dealt with. this might get you a prescription that will let you know you are not hungry but it doesn't treat that actual hunger that is still there and will come right back the second you stop taking your anti-hunger pills. getting the proper help from a church is difficult as so many have been taken over and are led by the lawyer type of Christian instead of a spiritual type of Christian.
even if you are lucky enough to find the few that can offer advice its not something that they can teach. they can only witness. the experience is generalized yet is still unique to each individual. its your testament. notes can be compared, but you have to give your own answers. you determine your own level of involvement. that which is revealed by the spirit is foolishness to those without. many are called few will answer.
duewell
mark 4 v11-13
the rainbow connection
i agree with your note the use or non use is up to the individual and if they feel it will help them.
this is a topic i have touched on time to time in past post and its been awhile so i guess i could give a few thoughts on it again. testament- test/ament - examinaton/mentia- mentia= the mind/of the mind testament -examination of the mind--
certain illnesses clearly require medical treatment. those illnesses that can be found during a medical examination like finding a tumor or broken bone or internal bleeding or infection as examples, can be discovered even if the patient is unable to express their illness. when someone has an infection there is no reason to advise them they don't need antibiotics.
so what about mental illness that is not caused by any physical medical condition yet is treated and prescribed like a physical medical condition. a blood test can determine if you are diabetic but i'm not aware of anyone having a blood test that shows they are bi-polar or schizophrenic. to someone who has been diagnosed with a chemical imbalance in the brain i would ask what physical test did they use to determine that?
so lets compare diagnosis with a few people from the bible.
patient noah, heard God tell him to build a big boat because the world was going to end.
noah is delusional and it might have been caused by his known use of alcohol or a chemical imbalance in the brain. give the patient lithium until patient no longer desires to build boat or listen to the "voice of God"
patient abraham, claims to have had dinner with God and during dinner God made it possible for his wife to have a child. years later claimed the voice of God asked him to offer that child up as a sacrifice to God as proof of his love and obedience to God. at the last second abraham was stopped and a ram was substituted instead of his son.
clearly abraham is suffering from mental illness. could be caused by dementia due to his old age or other unknown factors. abraham should be institutionalized so as not to be a harm to his family or to others in society. prescribe heavy anti-psychotics indefinitely. put a hold on his son isaac for observation as he clearly knew what was going on yet didn't try to escape from his insane father prescribe risperdal.
moses claims to have seen a burning bush that wasn't consumed by the flames which told him it was God and was told to go and free the slaves held in egypt. was given a stick and allowed to bring his brother along. clearly delusional,institutionalize indefinitely under heavy anti psychotics.
now i'm sure those examples might upset people. after all the people today are not noah abraham and moses. so those things couldn't possibly be happening to them in this day and age. testament indeed.
i know the fear a schizophrenic experiences during paranoia, and the wild swings of emotion of a bi-polar. its almost like there is a larger consciousness throughout humanity we are not aware of that is searching for something. those wild mood swings are almost like there are two sides to my personality fighting with each other. like a physical side and a spiritual side that i move from one side of the ring to the other being hit by the boxers, don't they know i'm supposed to be the referee? now i know i'm off on a tangent and most wont care to follow but you choose your own seeds for your garden and not every seed has to be to your liking.
i think a lot of the difficulties we have with some mental illnesses are that so many people are not able to examine them in a spiritual manner for them to be properly dealt with so they turn to a physical manner to be dealt with. this might get you a prescription that will let you know you are not hungry but it doesn't treat that actual hunger that is still there and will come right back the second you stop taking your anti-hunger pills. getting the proper help from a church is difficult as so many have been taken over and are led by the lawyer type of Christian instead of a spiritual type of Christian.
even if you are lucky enough to find the few that can offer advice its not something that they can teach. they can only witness. the experience is generalized yet is still unique to each individual. its your testament. notes can be compared, but you have to give your own answers. you determine your own level of involvement. that which is revealed by the spirit is foolishness to those without. many are called few will answer.
duewell
mark 4 v11-13
the rainbow connection
C
That reminds me of David Wagner. He gave his testimony when he spoke in Holland. As a 6 year old kid he would preach to his teddy bears and God said he would be a preacher and everywhere he would go lives would be touched and lives would be changed. Now that was a Dutch reformed church I think in America that didn't believe that God spoke. His mom took him to the reverend and said he heard God. He got furious. God doesn't speak anymore. He was schizofrenic he said and they sent him to a psychiater and he got pills. He fell from his faith and after 10 suicide attempts he met God who said the same thing again. He sent the reverend a letter: thanks for ruining my life, it brought me closer to God. People with autism and mental illnesses get healed in his services.
Wowww.. This thread just keeps on getting more and more insulting towards people. I have no problem saying that some of the responses I've read on this page, and the whole thread in general, really tick me off because of the pompousness of the ignorant donkeys who wrote them. :/
JD, your algae probiotic diet may work for SOME people, it does NOT work for ALL people. The things you propose we do cost MONEY. Mucho moolah. Supplements cost money, saunas cost money, and I'm not talking about 20 or 30 dollars. I'm talking hundreds, even thousands of dollars. And for what? Something that might not even benefit us? I'm sure you don't mean to come across as insulting and demeaning on here, but your words to BillyD, Angela, myself and others, speak loud and clear. It is my belief that you owe us an apology, especially to Angela and BillyD..
JD, your algae probiotic diet may work for SOME people, it does NOT work for ALL people. The things you propose we do cost MONEY. Mucho moolah. Supplements cost money, saunas cost money, and I'm not talking about 20 or 30 dollars. I'm talking hundreds, even thousands of dollars. And for what? Something that might not even benefit us? I'm sure you don't mean to come across as insulting and demeaning on here, but your words to BillyD, Angela, myself and others, speak loud and clear. It is my belief that you owe us an apology, especially to Angela and BillyD..