Mental Health Medications and Christians

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SHOULD CHRISTIANS TAKE MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS?

  • YES, MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS HAVE A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE FOR SOME CHRISTIANS

    Votes: 22 95.7%
  • NO, MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS SHOULD NEVER BE USED BY CHRISTIANS

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Total voters
    23

JosephsDreams

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It was pretty clear to me anyway, that in the post Angela did, she was quite hurt and insulted. Now let me set you straight on something. I DO eat well, I DO get adequate exercise AND I sleep well at night WITHOUT a sleeping pill. I don't eat junk, I don't do drugs, I don't smoke or drink. Do I want to be well? Of course I do! Those are things that I desire. So telling me to eat better when I already am, is a rather senseless and moot point. Once again, I'll say I don't care how many people you have counseled, or if this nutty diet has worked for them. You have not counseled ME, nor helped ME in any way, except to keep echoing that I should eat better. Which I already am. So you're flogging a dead horse trying to sell this diet on me..
Your stating publicly you eat well. Be honest. What do you define as eating well?
Tell me right here, in public, what your typical diet is like over a 5 day period.
 
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No one is saying what you and your friend have experienced isn't true. What no one here can seem to get you to understand, is that a certain diet, or remedy or whatever, may work good on SOME people, and it may do nothing on others. What works for some, does not work for everyone. Yet you keep saying, eat better, try this algae diet, yada yada. I don't give a flying fig about what or who your doctor friend is, or what he's done. He is only ONE doctor. He hasn't counseled me, or BillyD or Angela. So I'm not taking his word as absolute truth that this algae, probiotic, infrared sauna stuff will work for ME. Even if I COULD afford it. I'm sorry, but I think what you said to BillyD WAS hurtful and unethical, especially since YOU are NOT a doctor, you have no MD after your name, no medical credentials at all. You DID insult him in your post, many times over. Like I keep saying, step into his shoes for awhile. Or mine, or both. Maybe then you'll finally understand OUR point of view. I stand by my earlier comment. I do still think you owe BillyD and Angela an apology.

I guess a person will not know what a certain diet will do until they try it right? Its impossible to form an opinion about it until one has actually experienced it.
 

JosephsDreams

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No actually, yours are just frustrating. Hers is definitely more offensive. :/ I know satan is trying to destroy us any way he can, I'm not stupid. Brain damaged, yes. Stupid, nope..lol.. God may have created this world, but satan is lord and master of it. :/ Now please, stop the algae diet talk, to me at least. Maybe someone else is brave enough to go off their meds and try it. I'm not. My last grand mal seizure was in 1997. I don't care to start having them again, because I took the word of someone who isn't a doctor but recommended a diet to me, only to possibly have it not work for me and harm me more than it helps..
I am the dummy here...You keep repeating the same untruths. Am I that bored? Or addicted to this site? And I have a lot to do today.
You are missing your calling. you should be street preaching. Nothing anyone says will detour you. Maybe God is trying to show you a new gift you have for the church.
See, He does work all things to the good.
 

JosephsDreams

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I am just trying to stay NEUTRAL while saying that a person never knows until they have actually tried xyz. All people have opinions but not all have educated opinions.
At this point, I love neutral, on this thread. That's all I have really been saying. Don't knock it if you have not tried it.
So, thank you Lord.
And you to tin.
 
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coby2

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In order to always be healthy and never get a cold you have to take the dog inside and put your baby in the freezing cold outside.
No kidding, my nutsy into the healthy stuff grandparents did that and my dad is never sick. The neighbours would make comments. Also he always ate vegetarian.
But his dad started eating meat again and everything he liked and became 96.
 
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coby2

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There is thos tribe though, I read on Facebook where they get 160 and get kids til 65. Can't remember what they ate.
 

blue_ladybug

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I am not a doctor. My friend is. Besides my own education, you don't think I haven't learned a few things from him over the years?
And even if I am not a doctor, does that prohibit me from seeing results? You don't think whatever knowledge I do have, and through my prayer, and study of the bible, and my experiences counseling people, and my own experiences doing this 23 years I can't offer something?
Is that what you are telling me? That you can ignore what I am stating because I am not a doctor?
If your saying that, I really don't know what to say...
Did you read my previous post yet? About the general benefits of a improved life style?
Are you going to tell that is just nonsense too?
And your saying something again that I did not say. I said did you ever try? Not "try this". Please stop doing that.
The guy has counseled over 10,000 people. Your saying, oh. so what??
And what is your point, that it won't work for every. single. person. Neither does western medicine.
Holistic therapies have a better chance of getting long term, non invasive, non poisoning results then western meds. Do you know that? i like for you to tell me why, in a calm, scientific way that my previous statement is not true. Stick to facts.
Do you believe anything with the benefit of numbers?
Or is it that just because you think it won't work for you (and you don't even know if it will or won't have some kind of benefit overall, but maybe your one of those people who like to live in their ailments. Don't be mad at me that I said that. There are some people who identify themselves in their sickness. I don't
if your are one, but I can't grasp why you are holding onto to irrational arguments for dear life - or are you afraid to lose your benefits. just kidding -).


I never said you haven't learned anything from your doctor friend. I'm sure you have. Sure, you can offer advice, BUT if some don't want to try out that advice, then don't keep shoving it in their face. Yes I CAN ignore what you say, because you aren't a doctor. That would be like me saying to smoke pot if you want to be cured of all disease. See how dangerous that sounds? What if someone listened and DID smoke pot, and it adversely affected them and they died? Then I would be held responsible for dispensing advice while not being a doctor. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?



It makes no difference if your friend has counseled 1 person, or 10,000 people. He hasn't informed ME of this algae diet's pro's and cons. Or that it could help or harm me. Or what side effects there may be. Etc, etc. If the diet works for those 10,000 people, that's great. But it may not work for ALL people. Just because they see some benefit does NOT mean it's an ultimate cure for any and all diseases.

As for "living in my ailments", I'm not quite sure what that means. I've lived with epilepsy for nearly 41 years, I've lived with degenerative disk disease in my back since I was 27, which was in 1997. I have lived with depression since a very young age, I've lived with suicidal thoughts my entire life, and more than one attempt at it. I've lived with cancer, and beat it. I've also seen others die of it, and felt/feel guilty because I survived and they didn't. I've lived the last 2 years in bed 24-7-365 with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg, which resulted in 3 trips to the ER and finally, a 3-day hospital stay. That started in November 2014 and to this day, I'm still recuperating from it.

Have I let any of this beat me down? NO!! Why? Because I always trusted God to pull me through, no matter what. Do I identify with my ailments? I sure as heck do, because I am a much stronger person for having gone through, and currently going through, all the agony I go through on a daily basis!! Is my agony worth it in the long run? Absolutely because one day soon I'll be receiving my new pain-free body. :) THAT is why I persevere through my ailments, and THAT is the reason that I haven't offed myself!! God gave me these ailments for a reason, so I use them to the best of my abilities to help and inspire others going through some of the same situations I have. :) Read the threads in my signature. You just might learn something..



 
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phil112

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.............................AThe basic question is whether a Christian should use mental health pharmaceuticals or not.....................................BInstead, I believe the drugs caused me to feel complacent about non-attendance, and about my Christian duties in general.......................
A: Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
B: This is what one must avoid. Moderation in all things. I take 3 kinds of pain medication, and while that sounds a bit out of order for a believer, I have taken more of them and in more quantities than I now am.
It would have been easy to stay tranquilized, but there is extreme danger there, as you have experienced. I don't let them interfere with my worship. For instance, I don't read when I must take them, nor do I go to church when I am under their influence.
Only in the last 8 or 10 months have I finally started approaching it in earnest as God would have. As most here know from previous posts, I hate to ask God for personal needs. He has done so much for me already it embarrasses me to death.
But I have gradually started asking for relief on occassion and He has granted it. I expect the time to come, hopefully this year, when my dependence is all or greatly reduced and I can return to the workforce.
I get stronger every day and I'm confident He will aid me in doing that.
 

blue_ladybug

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I guess a person will not know what a certain diet will do until they try it right? Its impossible to form an opinion about it until one has actually experienced it.
OK then, YOU try the blue algae and probiotic diet first then. If it works good for you, then I may try it..lol.. Even if I wanted to do this diet, it DOES cost hundreds of dollars that I DON'T have. Unless you or JD want to fund my experimental diet.. :/
 

blue_ladybug

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At this point, I love neutral, on this thread. That's all I have really been saying. Don't knock it if you have not tried it.
So, thank you Lord.
And you to tin.
To-do list: Go off seizure meds. Try JD's probiotic, icky algae diet, and immerse myself in infrared sauna. See possible results. See possible adverse effects. :/ I think I'll stick with what's already working for me. :)
 

JosephsDreams

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I never said you haven't learned anything from your doctor friend. I'm sure you have. Sure, you can offer advice, BUT if some don't want to try out that advice, then don't keep shoving it in their face. Yes I CAN ignore what you say, because you aren't a doctor. That would be like me saying to smoke pot if you want to be cured of all disease. See how dangerous that sounds? What if someone listened and DID smoke pot, and it adversely affected them and they died? Then I would be held responsible for dispensing advice while not being a doctor. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?



It makes no difference if your friend has counseled 1 person, or 10,000 people. He hasn't informed ME of this algae diet's pro's and cons. Or that it could help or harm me. Or what side effects there may be. Etc, etc. If the diet works for those 10,000 people, that's great. But it may not work for ALL people. Just because they see some benefit does NOT mean it's an ultimate cure for any and all diseases.

As for "living in my ailments", I'm not quite sure what that means. I've lived with epilepsy for nearly 41 years, I've lived with degenerative disk disease in my back since I was 27, which was in 1997. I have lived with depression since a very young age, I've lived with suicidal thoughts my entire life, and more than one attempt at it. I've lived with cancer, and beat it. I've also seen others die of it, and felt/feel guilty because I survived and they didn't. I've lived the last 2 years in bed 24-7-365 with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg, which resulted in 3 trips to the ER and finally, a 3-day hospital stay. That started in November 2014 and to this day, I'm still recuperating from it.

Have I let any of this beat me down? NO!! Why? Because I always trusted God to pull me through, no matter what. Do I identify with my ailments? I sure as heck do, because I am a much stronger person for having gone through, and currently going through, all the agony I go through on a daily basis!! Is my agony worth it in the long run? Absolutely because one day soon I'll be receiving my new pain-free body. :) THAT is why I persevere through my ailments, and THAT is the reason that I haven't offed myself!! God gave me these ailments for a reason, so I use them to the best of my abilities to help and inspire others going through some of the same situations I have. :) Read the threads in my signature. You just might learn something..

So by extension, all of us should be ignoring each other, right? Unless he or she is licensed in that area of conversation.
So unless one is a licensed therapist, or has some type physiological degree, we should not be taking any advice from anyone else, right?
No sense in taking any theological advise from someone unless they have a degree in seminary, right?
Only teachers can teach our kids, correct?
How about prayer? Can we have someone prayer for us, or do you need to see their Christian degree? I guess so, because otherwise, how would you know they are not a wolf in sheep's clothing?
 

JosephsDreams

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To-do list: Go off seizure meds. Try JD's probiotic, icky algae diet, and immerse myself in infrared sauna. See possible results. See possible adverse effects. :/ I think I'll stick with what's already working for me. :)
Oh, and also wheat grass. DON'T forget the wheatgrass !!
 

JosephsDreams

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I never said you haven't learned anything from your doctor friend. I'm sure you have. Sure, you can offer advice, BUT if some don't want to try out that advice, then don't keep shoving it in their face. Yes I CAN ignore what you say, because you aren't a doctor. That would be like me saying to smoke pot if you want to be cured of all disease. See how dangerous that sounds? What if someone listened and DID smoke pot, and it adversely affected them and they died? Then I would be held responsible for dispensing advice while not being a doctor. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?



It makes no difference if your friend has counseled 1 person, or 10,000 people. He hasn't informed ME of this algae diet's pro's and cons. Or that it could help or harm me. Or what side effects there may be. Etc, etc. If the diet works for those 10,000 people, that's great. But it may not work for ALL people. Just because they see some benefit does NOT mean it's an ultimate cure for any and all diseases.

As for "living in my ailments", I'm not quite sure what that means. I've lived with epilepsy for nearly 41 years, I've lived with degenerative disk disease in my back since I was 27, which was in 1997. I have lived with depression since a very young age, I've lived with suicidal thoughts my entire life, and more than one attempt at it. I've lived with cancer, and beat it. I've also seen others die of it, and felt/feel guilty because I survived and they didn't. I've lived the last 2 years in bed 24-7-365 with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg, which resulted in 3 trips to the ER and finally, a 3-day hospital stay. That started in November 2014 and to this day, I'm still recuperating from it.

Have I let any of this beat me down? NO!! Why? Because I always trusted God to pull me through, no matter what. Do I identify with my ailments? I sure as heck do, because I am a much stronger person for having gone through, and currently going through, all the agony I go through on a daily basis!! Is my agony worth it in the long run? Absolutely because one day soon I'll be receiving my new pain-free body. :) THAT is why I persevere through my ailments, and THAT is the reason that I haven't offed myself!! God gave me these ailments for a reason, so I use them to the best of my abilities to help and inspire others going through some of the same situations I have. :) Read the threads in my signature. You just might learn something..

I ma not ignorant of the laws. I had to be insured. I can give advice. I can't diagnose. And I can't guarantee anything. Except frustration.:D
 

JosephsDreams

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I never said you haven't learned anything from your doctor friend. I'm sure you have. Sure, you can offer advice, BUT if some don't want to try out that advice, then don't keep shoving it in their face. Yes I CAN ignore what you say, because you aren't a doctor. That would be like me saying to smoke pot if you want to be cured of all disease. See how dangerous that sounds? What if someone listened and DID smoke pot, and it adversely affected them and they died? Then I would be held responsible for dispensing advice while not being a doctor. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?



It makes no difference if your friend has counseled 1 person, or 10,000 people. He hasn't informed ME of this algae diet's pro's and cons. Or that it could help or harm me. Or what side effects there may be. Etc, etc. If the diet works for those 10,000 people, that's great. But it may not work for ALL people. Just because they see some benefit does NOT mean it's an ultimate cure for any and all diseases.

As for "living in my ailments", I'm not quite sure what that means. I've lived with epilepsy for nearly 41 years, I've lived with degenerative disk disease in my back since I was 27, which was in 1997. I have lived with depression since a very young age, I've lived with suicidal thoughts my entire life, and more than one attempt at it. I've lived with cancer, and beat it. I've also seen others die of it, and felt/feel guilty because I survived and they didn't. I've lived the last 2 years in bed 24-7-365 with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg, which resulted in 3 trips to the ER and finally, a 3-day hospital stay. That started in November 2014 and to this day, I'm still recuperating from it.

Have I let any of this beat me down? NO!! Why? Because I always trusted God to pull me through, no matter what. Do I identify with my ailments? I sure as heck do, because I am a much stronger person for having gone through, and currently going through, all the agony I go through on a daily basis!! Is my agony worth it in the long run? Absolutely because one day soon I'll be receiving my new pain-free body. :) THAT is why I persevere through my ailments, and THAT is the reason that I haven't offed myself!! God gave me these ailments for a reason, so I use them to the best of my abilities to help and inspire others going through some of the same situations I have. :) Read the threads in my signature. You just might learn something..

Side effects. Again, your missing the point. I have to look at what I said here, but off the top of my head, I don't think I mentioned one thing that has a known negative side effect. That's the point of this whole thing. Meds have terrible side effects. I am generalizing, don't jump on me that so and so med doesn't.
The only side effect of what I have offered is good health.
 
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phil112

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The Word said you have what you say you have. It also says that the physicians are for the unbelievers. Also it says by his stripes we were healed. And one more thing Jesus got up with healing in his wings. So no drugs are for those whom don't believe. The boy with legion inside him was mental and Jesus healed him. Also Jesus healed the lame, dumb, and blind. So if the power worked over 2000 years ago why not now. I like your post.
Why don't you parse this scripture for us and tell us what you think it means.
Jeremiah 8:22 Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?
 

JosephsDreams

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I never said you haven't learned anything from your doctor friend. I'm sure you have. Sure, you can offer advice, BUT if some don't want to try out that advice, then don't keep shoving it in their face. Yes I CAN ignore what you say, because you aren't a doctor. That would be like me saying to smoke pot if you want to be cured of all disease. See how dangerous that sounds? What if someone listened and DID smoke pot, and it adversely affected them and they died? Then I would be held responsible for dispensing advice while not being a doctor. Do you see the point I'm trying to make?



It makes no difference if your friend has counseled 1 person, or 10,000 people. He hasn't informed ME of this algae diet's pro's and cons. Or that it could help or harm me. Or what side effects there may be. Etc, etc. If the diet works for those 10,000 people, that's great. But it may not work for ALL people. Just because they see some benefit does NOT mean it's an ultimate cure for any and all diseases.

As for "living in my ailments", I'm not quite sure what that means. I've lived with epilepsy for nearly 41 years, I've lived with degenerative disk disease in my back since I was 27, which was in 1997. I have lived with depression since a very young age, I've lived with suicidal thoughts my entire life, and more than one attempt at it. I've lived with cancer, and beat it. I've also seen others die of it, and felt/feel guilty because I survived and they didn't. I've lived the last 2 years in bed 24-7-365 with a herniated disk and sciatica in my left leg, which resulted in 3 trips to the ER and finally, a 3-day hospital stay. That started in November 2014 and to this day, I'm still recuperating from it.

Have I let any of this beat me down? NO!! Why? Because I always trusted God to pull me through, no matter what. Do I identify with my ailments? I sure as heck do, because I am a much stronger person for having gone through, and currently going through, all the agony I go through on a daily basis!! Is my agony worth it in the long run? Absolutely because one day soon I'll be receiving my new pain-free body. :) THAT is why I persevere through my ailments, and THAT is the reason that I haven't offed myself!! God gave me these ailments for a reason, so I use them to the best of my abilities to help and inspire others going through some of the same situations I have. :) Read the threads in my signature. You just might learn something..

I know about the problems you now have. You mentioned them in a post about 3 months ago.
God bless you for your strength. I admire that. Your spirit is strong, even if your body is weak.
The Lord keep you and bless, shine His glorious face upon you.
Enjoy the next few beautiful days here in VT (finally).
Are you with a church? I ma not asking which one, but if you can go?
 

blue_ladybug

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So by extension, all of us should be ignoring each other, right? Unless he or she is licensed in that area of conversation.
So unless one is a licensed therapist, or has some type physiological degree, we should not be taking any advice from anyone else, right?
No sense in taking any theological advise from someone unless they have a degree in seminary, right?
Only teachers can teach our kids, correct?
How about prayer? Can we have someone prayer for us, or do you need to see their Christian degree? I guess so, because otherwise, how would you know they are not a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Taking advice, yes. Following it through without researching it first, nope. If someone doesn't want to do your diet, then stop trying to convince them they should. Would you swallow cyanide just because I advise you to? Sorry but I'm NOT eating wheat grass OR algae. Never ever. If God intended us to eat algae, I'd be a fish in the ocean..lol