Once saved, always saved

[eternally-gratefull]

You would never know the peace of God. You would never know if you've done enough to abide in Him. How do you know you're even saved? How do you know you're doing enough?

sadly, they would have to live in a fantasy world

1. I am not that bad of a sinner (If I admit I am one at all)
2. I am not sinning like the others (non believers)
3. My sins are not really sin (water down law)
4. I have to surround myself with people like me or a little worse than me, And always be in a place where I can compair myself with worse sinners. So I can feel better of myself and not be so afraid.
5. I have to FIGHT grace believers, and call them sinners who hate God, Lie about what they teach, and get a smany bibel verses so I can mass post verse after verse which I see supports my gospel.. Then attack someone when they try to tell my I have interpreted the passage wrong.


I can go on and on about the ways they have to live and act, and believe.. It is all sad..

 

[roaringkitten]

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins" Col 1:12-14

" Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Pet 1:3-5

None of this could not be possible without the blood of the Lamb! Worthy is the Lamb, who redeemed us by His own blood! Our life is hid with Christ in God!

"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." Col 3:3

To know we are eternally secure in Him gives us great hope! Let us therefore strive to live for Him(as much of Colossians chapter 3 exhorts)

 

[phil112]

Every person in this room, If they make it to heaven. WIll be ashamed Because they will see themselves as the true sinner they are...........................................

Philippians 2:15-17
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.

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Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Luke 6:23
Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven.............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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I forgot about Phil here. He will think he is mighty and righteous, and has earned the right to be called Gods children.

The rest of us We will rejoice, After we realise even more than we do now how much we were forgiven..

Sadly, Many will think they were righteous, And found out they were lost. because their sin was hidden from them in their pride..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You would never know the peace of God. You would never know if you've done enough to abide in Him. How do you know you're even saved? How do you know you're doing enough?

When you know what it's like to walk by the spirit, you don't ask questions like this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Originally Posted by John146

You would never know the peace of God. You would never know if you've done enough to abide in Him. How do you know you're even saved? How do you know you're doing enough?

When you know what it's like to walk by the spirit, you don't ask questions like this.

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[roaringkitten]

You would never know the peace of God. You would never know if you've done enough to abide in Him. How do you know you're even saved? How do you know you're doing enough?

Some people simply don't regard the blood as effective enough to completely save someone. The Bible says this about Jesus and the peace made by His blood:

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." Col 1:18-20

There is never peace in something that is not sure, or something that can be lost. His blood gives me peace, because I know my justification was only made possible by the blood of the Lamb!

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Rom 5:1

 

[lightningrod]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Answer: The chicken.

There is a Book of Life in heaven with names written on it. No one in this world has ever seen this book, so we don't know the Official List of the names of those whom are saved.

 

[notuptome]

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Answer: The chicken.

There is a Book of Life in heaven with names written on it. No one in this world has ever seen this book, so we don't know the Official List of the names of those whom are saved.

Everybody is written in there just the ones who don't get saved are blotted out.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[valiant]

When you know what it's like to walk by the spirit, you don't ask questions like this.

LOL.....................

 

[valiant]

Everybody is written in there just the ones who don't get saved are blotted out.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

the names of the chosen are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. They are NEVER blotted out.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the names of the chosen are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world. They are NEVER blotted out.

Those who don't overcome are blotted out. You're probably not one to let scripture get in the way of doctrine, though.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5​

 

[valiant]

Those who don't overcome are blotted out. You're probably not one to let scripture get in the way of doctrine, though.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5​

firstly that is NOT the Lamb's book of life. Secondly it doesn't say anyone's name is blotted out He says 'I will not blot his name out of the book of life but will confess his name before the Father. A negative emphasising a positive can be merely theoretical for emphasis

there would be no point in emphasising their inclusion in the lamb's book of life in context if it could be blotted out. read for yourself

God's word is more important than yours lol

 

[Grace777x70]

This grace-based article addresses the works-based mindset about the passage in Rev 3.

Incomplete Deeds: The Zombie Church of Sardis (Rev 3:1-6)

What a wonderful thing for a church to get a letter from Jesus! The seven churches of Revelations 1-3 were a real mixed bag with some getting rebukes and others encouragement, but all were blessed.

Even the churches that were mucking around with the things of God were blessed because they were being warned. They were being given a chance to repent. These letters say as much about the mercy and goodness of God as they do the badness of certain people.

When we read these letters it is essential that we ask two questions: What is Jesus saying in light of the finished work of the cross? And who is he speaking to? If we fail to rightly divide the word we can end up getting the wrong message. For instance, consider what Jesus says to the church at Sardis:

“I have not found your deeds complete” (Rev 3:2).

The issue of deeds comes up in several of these letters. At different times Jesus says, “I know your deeds,” or “your deeds are incomplete,” or “I will repay you according to your deeds.”

So what are these deeds that Jesus is talking about?

If we were living under the old covenant, we would no doubt define these deeds in terms of the 10 commandments plus the other 600 or so sundry Levitical laws. Today some might say they are the deeds that “prove repentance” or they are works of obedience, as in, “we should do what the Bible says.”

Okay, but do we obey everything in the Bible including the law? If not, how do we know when our deeds are complete? At what point is repentance proved?

No, Jesus did not go to the cross so that we could get the chance to work for our salvation. Some people think Christianity is about rules and regulations, but that’s not grace. No, Jesus “worked” so that we would not have to. He died, so that we might enter his rest unencumbered by the heavy yoke of religion.

Someone once asked Jesus, what must we do to do the works of God? Jesus replied,
“The work of God is this: to believe in the one he sent” (Jn 6:29).

What is our divine occupation? It is believing in the finished work of Jesus and “working” that out in our lives to the point where the supernatural becomes natural and our broken world is restored. This was no one off claim either. From the very beginning of his ministry Jesus consistently preached, “repent and believe the good news” (Mk 1:15).
What does Jesus want you to do? He wants you to repent and believe the good news.

And he wants you to tell other people the good news so they have a chance to repent and believe too.

If you think that is too simple, that we also obey Jesus’ commandments, consider what he commanded us to do:

“And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ… ” (1 Jn 3:23)

Here in the church at Sardis was a group of people who heard the good news but had not repented and did not believe. They were busy doing churchy stuff but it was all dead works. They had a reputation of being alive but Jesus wasn’t fooled. “You are dead. Wake up!”

I call them the church of the living-dead, but really they were just dead.
Are you surprised to learn that there are unbelievers in the church? You shouldn’t be.

Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian. You can preach, prophesy, cast out demons and perform signs and wonders without ever knowing Christ (Mt 7:23). It’s not going to church or leading a church that counts, it’s whether you have repented and put your faith in Jesus.

In many of the letters to the New Testament churches there are sections either addressed to unbelievers or warning the saints about the influence of unbelievers among them. The letter to the church at Sardis is no exception. How do we know for sure there were some unbelievers in the church at Sardis? Because Jesus said they were dead and in danger of judgment.

What message did Jesus have for the sinners in Sardis?

To the unbelievers at Sardis Jesus said, “remember what you have heard; hold fast and repent” (Rev 3:3, KJV). What had they heard but the gospel? What work did he want them to do? He wanted them to grasp the good news, hold fast to it, and repent.

Jesus compares repenting to waking up. Twice he tells them to “wake up!” Paul used similar language when he told the Romans to put aside their “deeds of darkness” and wake up from their slumber (Rms 13:11-12). To repent is to wake up, to come to one’s senses and return to the Father (1 Cor 15:34, Lk 15:17).

Jesus warned the Sardisians, “if you don’t wake up, I will come like a thief.” This is a warning of impending judgment. The zombie sinners at Sardis had heard and rejected the good news. They were playing church and rejecting the grace of God. In his mercy, Jesus was giving them another chance to say “yes” to him before it was too late.

This is the same message Jesus has for religious people everywhere. Stop playing
church. Wake up and obey what you heard before it’s too late. Repent and believe the good news.

But this church wasn’t a completely lost cause for among the sinners were a “few” saints. We know this because Jesus clearly distinguishes a second group within the church who had not “soiled their clothes” and who were considered “worthy.” How do we soil our clothes?

By trying to make ourselves righteous (Is 64:6). What makes a person worthy in God’s eyes? Being clothed with Christ and his righteousness (Is 61:10).

What message did Jesus have for the saints in Sardis?

“They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.” (Rev 3:4-5)

Those who preach a works-based gospel – which is no gospel at all – have used this verse to burden Christians with unholy demands for religious works. They say things like, “you’ve got to perform for Jesus lest he find your deeds incomplete.” Or they say, “if you don’t overcome to the end, Jesus will blot out your name from the book of life.” Honestly, it’s as if the cross made no difference at all!

Why would Jesus – who nailed the law to the cross and died so that we might live free from its demands – suddenly turn around and start laying law on his church?

In this passage Jesus gives Christians the most wonderful assurance of their salvation. He says, “I will never blot out their names from the book of life.” To this the confused preacher replies, “Watch out Jesus might be tricking us, he might yet do what he just said he would never do.” It’s ludicrous!

Jesus not only died for us but he lives for us that we might be holy and blameless. The riches of his love for us are not bound up in threats and conditions. He “performed” so that we don’t have to. Just as Jesus “worked” on our behalf, so he has overcome on our behalf:

“In the world you have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (Jn 16:33)

If you are in Christ, you have already overcome the world because he has overcome the world (1 Jn 4:4). Trials and tribulations may entangle and overcome sinners (2 Pet 2:20), but they cannot overcome you. You may not feel like an overcomer.

The circumstances of your life may be trying to tell you that you are not an overcomer. But they are lying. They are speaking from a worldly point of view. We are from God and he says we are more than conquerors through Christ who loved us (Rms 8:37). The world may rise up against you, but Almighty God is for you! The entire world may try and condemn you but God himself justifies you (Rms 8:33).

The next time circumstances or people try to lay guilt on you saying you must do this and that to overcome, respond with this: “I believe that Jesus is God’s Son. In him I have already overcome the world!” (1 Jn 5:5).

The good news is not that you have to work hard to rescue yourself. The good news is that God himself has rescued you and qualified you and brought you into the kingdom of the Son he loves (Col 1:12). God looks at you clothed with Christ and says, “you are worthy and your deeds are perfectly complete.

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/04/11/incomplete-deeds-the-zombie-church-of-sardis-rev-31-6/

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is another grace-based teaching on "overcoming"....I like to use this site as it tackles some of the obscure scriptures and also answers the false accusations against the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Laodicea, Part 7: To Him Who Overcomes (Rev 3:21)

Here is the link...

https://escapetoreality.org/2010/06/23/to-him-who-overcomes/

Here is a sample of the teaching..

“To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.” (Rev 3:21)

No losers in heaven

The word “overcomes” can be translated “is victorious.” Eternity is a place for victors and conquerors, not the vanquished and defeated. There are no losers in heaven. The question we should ask is, “how do I become counted among the overcomers?”

Let me answer that question with a question. Do you believe that Jesus is an overcomer? Are you sure? Are you absolutely certain Jesus Christ is an overcomer? He is! He says so to the Laodiceans – “just as I overcame” – and he also said so to the disciples:

“In this world you will have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (Jn 16:33)

How do we know Jesus is an overcomer? Because the devil couldn’t tempt him, the law-lovers couldn’t silence him, Pilate couldn’t fault him, death couldn’t keep him, and the grave couldn’t hold him. Jesus is the very model of an overcomer. Indeed, he is the Overcomer. Look up “overcomer” in the dictionary and there’s a picture of Jesus. (Well there should be.)

You might say, that’s all very fine for Jesus. But what about us? How do we overcome? John gives us the answer:

“You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” (1 Jn 4:4)

Overcoming is not about jumping through hoops and satisfying the expectations of men. It’s about depending on The Overcomer who lives in you.

“For everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.” (1 Jn 5:4-5)

Are you born of God? Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? If yes, then the Overcomer lives in you and you can’t help but be an overcomer.

That’s why Jesus told the disciples to be encouraged during times of tribulation; because he – not they – had overcome the world and because they would carry his overcoming Spirit within them.

 

[roaringkitten]

Those who don't overcome are blotted out. You're probably not one to let scripture get in the way of doctrine, though.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5​

People overcame by making their robes white in the blood of the Lamb(some examples) :

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Rev 7:14

"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:11

Isaiah comes to mind:

" I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels." Isa 61:10

 

[PeterJens]

They do not follow Jesus, they mock him and his death, And the cross.. They follow satan WHo has deceived them as believing he is the angel of light.

This is a very bad statement to make. It is calling the work of the Holy Spirit a work of the enemy, and those who sincerely understand scripture lost and blind, doomed to hell.

A brother of mine talked about how fantastic it is that the Holy Spirit has overcome differences between denominations and brought us together over similar experiences of love and the Holy Spirit.

The way you tell a word from the Lord from one that is not is its intention. It is meant to point to Jesus and the truth, to help people find the way of grace, truth and life. This word simply is calling people deceived and lost yet these people know scripture, Jesus and follow Him. If these people are now the enemy, who then is the friend other than the accuser of the brethren.

I have seen this tactic before, dismiss a group in the most extreme language possible and then if they respond in likewise manner accuse them of being religious and proud. This is the most conceited and proud filled concept possible. I am not here to judge but just praise the Lord. If saying Jesus brought us victory and love through the cross, to purity and righteousness, then these people have left the faith, but are dressed like sheep but speak like destructive wolves.

What makes the blow more difficult, is it is not justified, and these people should be friends, but have changed what they believe, so that though the language appears the same, they isolate and try and destroy people.

 

[PeterJens]

Here is another grace-based teaching on "overcoming"....I like to use this site as it tackles some of the obscure scriptures and also answers the false accusations against the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Laodicea, Part 7: To Him Who Overcomes (Rev 3:21)

This is double language. It is empty meaning. You are an overcomer because Jesus overcame and you are still defeated?
No.

Because you have overcome because of the work Jesus has done in you, and sin no longer has a hold on your life.
If you have not overcome like this, you are not walking in the power of Christ.

It is like getting into a 4x4 to go up a very difficult road and then claiming you have arrived though you never fought through. Jesus has won the victory but we have to fight through to put it into action through faith.

There is little wonder to my mind these people have not even tried and won, they have just been defeated. Rather than wandering at what is the nature of victory, they have thrown in the towel and claim Jesus expects us to give up and let God. No wonder there is no response when the church falls apart, because in their eyes it is meant to.

 

[PeterJens]

sadly, they would have to live in a fantasy world

1. I am not that bad of a sinner (If I admit I am one at all)
2. I am not sinning like the others (non believers)
3. My sins are not really sin (water down law)
4. I have to surround myself with people like me or a little worse than me, And always be in a place where I can compair myself with worse sinners. So I can feel better of myself and not be so afraid.
5. I have to FIGHT grace believers, and call them sinners who hate God, Lie about what they teach, and get a smany bibel verses so I can mass post verse after verse which I see supports my gospel.. Then attack someone when they try to tell my I have interpreted the passage wrong.

I can go on and on about the ways they have to live and act, and believe.. It is all sad..

This is all testimony against you and projection.
Your group used to hate this term, I am a sinner saved by grace. Now you embrace it but have changed its meaning.
A sinner is a person who has sinned sometime in their life. Saved by grace is the cross and forgiveness of past and present sins. Through knowing Gods transforming power we now walk in purity and righteousness.

I do not hold with EG's list and know my sins. He has tried to accuse me of sin, say extreme things, provoke and push me into anger, but the Lords love is greater still, Glory to His name. He claims our sins are to the sky, yet God clearly lays them out in our hearts and in the law. If it was so impossible to walk righteously, blamelessly why does Paul continually call Timothy to do exactly this. Why does Peter and John talk about a correct walk, yet if we fail we still find forgiveness in the Lord through confession.

There is one fantastic reality that is being expressed. Jesus's love is vast, overflowing, wonderful. But is is wonderful when it possesses our souls we are cleansed and purified. What time and again testifies to me is these people do not know this love, and their words continually call others lying, insulting, abusive when all they are saying is what people believe and what they have said. It is a sad testimony that those who claim such superiority in understanding of the Lord, condemn others to Hell, are so quick to confess they sin continually, fail to walk correctly and act as if this is to be expected in the believer who is mature in Christ.

This is not the fruits I expect from a Christ filled believer, rather a holy and pure walk, an example to others in words and action. But maybe this is too much to ask from believers who freely confess they walk in the flesh daily.

 

[PeterJens]

Here is another grace-based teaching on "overcoming"....I like to use this site as it tackles some of the obscure scriptures and also answers the false accusations against the gospel of the grace of Christ.

A passing thought, I wonder if Grace is the author of the site, as he knows it all so well, and quotes continually from it when after visiting the site, it would take a very long time to get such a grasp of its contributions.