The Intersection of Theoogy and Science

[Bowman]

You should direct that to your friend bowman.
But then again, since he's betrayed himself as a muslum,
there can be no unity. I'm disappointed in you, though, chuckt,
I thought you would have known better.

I am definitely not a muslim.

I am a Trinitarian Christian that has taken the time to study Koranic Arabic for the past two decades...so, I am fully versed with what the Koran says...contrary to people like yourself, who know only what they google from the internet.

 

[B1Davanda]

I do know better because the statement:

"There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet" is a declaration of Monotheism and a criticism of Christianity. That is what Muslims believe.

Bowman is supporting the Trinity which is a Christian belief and not a Muslim one.

That makes you wrong.

There is also an anti-Christian statement on the dome of the rock.

Your friend bowman has told lies upon lies about the Lord Jesus Christ, has had ample time to show from scripture the validity of his claims, which has said he would do but hasn't...He's had many a solid christian on this and other threads point out his errors and try to encourage him into the truth, but he won't even consider it, he remains defiant, and his claims that the Lord Jesus Christ and the false prophet muhommed are either the same or are on equal par is disgusting and absurd. An avatar proves nothing about a persons beliefs. You can read his posts, looks like closet muslum.

 

[Chuckt]

Your friend bowman has told lies upon lies about the Lord Jesus Christ, has had ample time to show from scripture the validity of his claims, which has said he would do but hasn't...He's had many a solid christian on this and other threads point out his errors and try to encourage him into the truth, but he won't even consider it, he remains defiant, and his claims that the Lord Jesus Christ and the false prophet muhommed are either the same or are on equal par is disgusting and absurd. An avatar proves nothing about a persons beliefs. You can read his posts, looks like closet muslum.

I strongly disagree.
This website has a lot of users who do not represent the gospel of Jesus Christ and there are several gospels going on in here.
I haven't been reading every single message but I have no evidence to believe what you have spoken against him.
My Christian friends on another forum like Bowman, and while no one is perfect because we are all sinners, he is closer to Christianity than many of the people on this board are.

 

[Zmouth]

So were the stars planets and earth just sitting stationary while God was busy creating the rest of the stuff on earth, and then He gave it a good slap to start the world spinning?

You ask some good questions. While I would say that the circuits [Psalms 19:6] were already laid prior to the Genesis 1:3, however the precepts I see in the scriptures lead me to the conclusion that the earth wasn't rotating on it axis at that point.

Wouldn't the earth have overheated on the 'sun-side' while it was sitting stationary, waiting?

Funny you should mention the 'sunny-side', while I wouldn't say overheated since one would have found that during the period referenced in Genesis 1:2 that the earth was covered under a deluge of frozen waters that covered the entire face of the earth's surface.


But anyways, since the earth wouldn't have began rotating instantaneously I found on Google Earth that 'sunny-side' you mentioned. IMO this would have been the Earth's position relative to the Sun at Genesis 1:5

 

[B1Davanda]

You ask some good questions. While I would say that the circuits [Psalms 19:6] were already laid prior to the Genesis 1:3, however the precepts I see in the scriptures lead me to the conclusion that the earth wasn't rotating on it axis at that point.



Funny you should mention the 'sunny-side', while I wouldn't say overheated since one would have found that during the period referenced in Genesis 1:2 that the earth was covered under a deluge of frozen waters that covered the entire face of the earth's surface.
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But anyways, since the earth wouldn't have began rotating instantaneously I found on Google Earth that 'sunny-side' you mentioned. IMO this would have been the Earth's position relative to the Sun at Genesis 1:5

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Thanks. Interesting stuff, but I was more referring to 3, 4, and 5 days into His creating the things upon the earth.
If the earth had no movement, including the water, or no rotation, wouldn't it be baking in the sun on one side, but in darkness on the other? And how would he have created living sea creatures in frozen or even unmoving waters?

Then again, here I am again asking 'how' questions,
when I know that God can do whatever He wants,
and the details of how might not be what He wants
me worrying about yet. But He sure is awesome,
and so is the body of Christ, both collectively,
and the individuals in it, in our own peculiar way.
God bless you.

 

[B1Davanda]

I strongly disagree.
This website has a lot of users who do not represent the gospel of Jesus Christ and there are several gospels going on in here.
I haven't been reading every single message but I have no evidence to believe what you have spoken against him.
My Christian friends on another forum like Bowman, and while no one is perfect because we are all sinners, he is closer to Christianity than many of the people on this board are.

It's not so much about one person being 'closer to christianity' than another.....it's more about either Jesus Christ is one's Lord and Savior, and he's in Christ, or he's not.
If you could see the many posts that you would never expect being said by one supposedly in Christ, plus the many believers that have pointed him into the truth, but he's disputed with them, you might be re-thinking it.
But God bless you, chuckt, I'm too tired to argue about it now.
I pray he's saved, and starts spending more time proclaiming the good news of Jesus being the true and living God, and less time trying to convince people that the unholy koran with it's false prophet/god is somehow similar and acceptable to the bible and Jesus. Peace.

 

[GaryA]

So were the stars planets and earth just sitting stationary while God was busy creating the rest of the stuff on earth, and then He gave it a good slap to start the world spinning?

The earth has always been stationary; the sun, moon, and stars are moving...

 

[Chuckt]

It's not so much about one person being 'closer to christianity' than another.....it's more about either Jesus Christ is one's Lord and Savior, and he's in Christ, or he's not.
If you could see the many posts that you would never expect being said by one supposedly in Christ, plus the many believers that have pointed him into the truth, but he's disputed with them, you might be re-thinking it.
But God bless you, chuckt, I'm too tired to argue about it now.
I pray he's saved, and starts spending more time proclaiming the good news of Jesus being the true and living God, and less time trying to convince people that the unholy koran with it's false prophet/god is somehow similar and acceptable to the bible and Jesus. Peace.

After 9-11 I did the unthinkable and bought a Koran because I thought "This has got to stop." You can't bridge the divide and be able to talk to Muslims when they are more knowledgeable about the Bible than some Christians. You have to learn what they believe in order to relate to them and to prove that their theology is wrong.

I believe Bowman is a Christian and I was part of a fundamentalist christian board in the late 1980's and early 90's and those Christians were harder to get along with and calling into question everything that was said on the dial up BBS's back in those days. They were also more educated than many of the users of this board as many of them went to seminary and some had doctorate degrees. I miss those Christians dearly.

A couple years ago, a Muslim woman with a Master's degree challenged me on another Christian board and we agreed to debate on a neutral forum. It was kind of scary that I was going up against someone with an alleged Master's degree. But I debated her and she disappeared and stopped talking to me and I answered her hard questions on the Bible and I feel that I strongly won the debate. In order to debate, you have to know the subject matter and you have to be open to learning and discussion or else you will never learn. I appreciate what Bowman is posting and I'm learning some about Islam.

Now the company where I work was bought by Muslims and now I have a chance to witness to them should God give me the insight and the words to use. God's ways are not your ways so please don't frame the relationship we have with other people that God can only do things this way because that is tradition. The West is farther from Judaism and Christianity than the East because it was the eastern mindset that it developed around.

I need people who have understanding and the people who know are the ones more likely to say, "yes" to me furthering my understanding so that I can witness. Naysayers are not going to teach me but they are going to dictate to me closed doors. Denominations put people into a closed room and put limitations in people's minds because they want to keep people inside and they want to keep our kids inside and they strangle everyone for conformity and the denominations didn't grow but people have left the church. God is not limited to the way you do things. And I need information in order to witness to people.

Bowman is not a Muslim and none of you can prove he is one. You are picking on a brother and I want to read whatever he has to write. If you don't like what he says then you don't have to pay him any mind but I want to read what he has to say.

If you want to teach me about Islam, show me you are more knowledgeable in how to witness ito Muslims. And from my witnessing experience, few and no Christians would ever stand with me in witnessing to other people so I have to do the work. So I want to witness so please stop being a barrier to my learning and my witnessing and I will learn from whomever I want because I feel it is beneficial. It is interfering with my time being used for Jesus and my learning for Jesus. Christians not getting along has done more to hurt my writings and my Christian files by stealing my time and keeping my work from what is important because ignorant Christians are interfering with my work getting done.

 

[Depleted]

Start a new thread.

Okay, just curious. Why start a new thread since this one was hijacked early already and Theo wasn't really into discussion anyway?

 

[Dan_473]

All physical things have a beginning.

very true. and if a miracle is involved, then the position, speed, and direction may be different than if only natural laws were in effect.

 

[Tintin]

Chuckt, I know you and Bowman are best buddies or something and that you think highly of him, but I don't give a rat's ass. I really don't. I've said it before. He could be the King of freaking England in terms of theological know-how, but if he has no love for his fellow Christians, he's a clanging bell. To me, he seems as see-through as the Emperor's New Clothes.

 

[Dan_473]

Dan....you need to take off those YEC glasses of yours before you go blind...

I believe your answer did not address the issue, but rather "attacked the person".

can God make an object at a point in time
and already in motion
such that it would appear to have been in motion at a previous point in time?

 

[BrotherJustin]

Chuckt, I know you and Bowman are best buddies or something and that you think highly of him, but I don't give a rat's ass. I really don't. I've said it before. He could be the King of freaking England in terms of theological know-how, but if he has no love for his fellow Christians, he's a clanging bell. To me, he seems as see-through as the Emperor's New Clothes.

Reminds me:

 

[B1Davanda]

Chuckt, I know you and Bowman are best buddies or something and that you think highly of him, but I don't give a rat's ass. I really don't. I've said it before. He could be the King of freaking England in terms of theological know-how, but if he has no love for his fellow Christians, he's a clanging bell. To me, he seems as see-through as the Emperor's New Clothes.

Tintin........
Agreed, and God bless you for taking a stand against chuckt's patronizing nonsense, and bowman's lies.
If one feels the need to learn all he can about a demonic religion, and the other is his favorite teacher, the two of them can rent a room and play gotcha with each other, but to come on a public christian forum and spew lies about the Lord Jesus Christ and run down brothers and sisters in Christ, ESPECIALLY our sisters in Christ, and then try to tell us what we can and can't say in response is typically arrogant and elitist.

When God in the bible, (the TRUE WORD of God), tells us to study to show ourselves approve unto God, He doesn't mean to study demonic religions of hate, but HIS word of truth.
My only disappointment is there hasn't been More defense of the faith and our fellow christians here, praise God for those who do, but perhaps there've been many who gave what God asked to stiff-necked, closed-eared people and have moved on to others who will hear. I guess I should do the same. Sometimes religious 'know-it-alls' (?) can be joy-stealers and rather boring, but if they're deliberately misrepresenting Jesus on a christian site, that needs to be pointed out. GBU.

 

[Tintin]

Reminds me:
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Grow up and stop PMing me under different names.

 

[BrotherJustin]

Grow up and stop PMing me under different names.

I PM'd you once.

Stop making false public statements concerning me.

 

[Bowman]

Your friend bowman has told lies upon lies about the Lord Jesus Christ, has had ample time to show from scripture the validity of his claims, which has said he would do but hasn't...He's had many a solid christian on this and other threads point out his errors and try to encourage him into the truth, but he won't even consider it, he remains defiant, and his claims that the Lord Jesus Christ and the false prophet muhommed are either the same or are on equal par is disgusting and absurd. An avatar proves nothing about a persons beliefs. You can read his posts, looks like closet muslum.

Show us...

 

[B1Davanda]

Bowman:
YOU have yet to show US, after being called to repeatedly, the most obvious examples are your cowardly ducking from magenta, listed below.

You just said you base your beliefs on Scripture, I would simply like to see you back this up, without having you resort to your usual lies and deflections... but it seems you cannot. Scripture cannot be complicit with what you imagine, after all, equating an adulterous war mongering pedophile with the Son of God pretty much amounts to blasphemy.

Why don't you start a thread and lay out your case for Jesus being Mohammed. Or simply answer the question, since you said you base your beliefs on Scripture. I would like to see you try to support this blasphemous belief of yours.

Show us...

Here's a piece from post#337 on the thread you yourself directed us all to check on earlier in this thread. ..........----->
--->Jews and Christians are reading the same exact OT material...and yet, getting two diametrically opposed worldviews as a result.If this happens for the Jew, then it can occur for the Muslim, as well...Muhammad is the main prophet of Islam not Christ. The Koranic Muhammad IS Jesus Christ!<---

Your words, and there's plenty more buried under posts and reposts, I'm not going back digging through your muslum garbage to prove what is already public record. If you're genuinely searching for the truth, the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God and Savior, and you've been here long enough to know that truth, and to have heard that if you call on Him alone to save you, He will because He loves you and died for your sins and rose from the grave to prove it.

But if you're here to spew more lies about Jesus and defend a demonic religion of hate, be reminded that this is a christian forum and Jesus is Lord.

 

[BrotherJustin]

Ignore my comments on this thread--they were out of place and inappropriate.

I'm sorry.

 

[Tintin]

Ignore my comments on this thread--they were out of place and inappropriate.

I'm sorry.

Thank you, brother.