...an idiom which means: "See how you like that! -- It's a rude way of telling someone they must accept what you have just said even if they do not like it.", "Take that!" -- It's essentially a form of vengeance.
What does the Bible say about vengeance?
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” (Romans 12:19 ESV)
So this is Bowman's attitude early in this thread.
And then enter the post and response which started the mess in this thread.
BM believes Mohammed was really Jesus Christ... so it could mean anything.
Fact is, the Koranic 'Muhammad' is merely an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ, in the four locations that it is used.
However....your knowledge of Koranic Arabic has already been amply demonstrated as non-existent in another thread...so, all you have is merit-less denial now...from what you can google from the web...
So, Bowman's response presents his THEORY as fact, and then he babbles a bit about Magenta's lack of knowledge concerning the subject--looks like they're picking at each other.
...moving on...
Our sun and the stars were created in Gen 1.1, before 'day 1' and after the beginning starting point.
Interesting. It looks to me like sun and stars were mentioned in verses 14-19 (fourth day). Bowman's statement could use some clarification, for sure.
[edit: Bowman later clarified (a bit) by stating: "The original Hebrew does not." So, apparently and according to Bowman, the Hebrew text states that stars and the sun were created on Day 1.]
Impossible.
The seventh day was never closed-out like the previous six....which means, that we are literally still in the seventh day....of which, is clearly more than a 24hr period of time.
Here, he's saying a 7 day (24 hour day) creation story is impossible. Since this is not a common viewpoint on the creation story--I'd say it could use some clarification.
Alright, so then out of the blue Magenta picks at Bowman again:
In response to,
I go by what scripture says...not by what your imagination conjures up...
Show us where day seven ended like the previous six.
Good luck.
She said,
Please show us where Scripture says Jesus is Mohammed. This should be interesting.
Bowman was then essentially jeered by the crowd:
Awwww here we go again,sheeesh. Doesn't he ever give up?!
... It was Magenta that instigated this 'Mohammad = Jesus' talk. For, the subject was not brought up in this thread until Magenta mentioned it twice.
More jeering:
We should pray he does... and that he stop calling Islam a sect of Christianity, also.
...here's Bowman's response:
You keep attempting to resurrect this material, on dissimilar threads...your lack of Arabic knowledge must really bother you.
Feel free to open a new thread for further discussion, if you wish...
Looks like I might owe Bowman an apology for accusing him of promoting the Quran on a Christian website.
Magenta's response:
You just said you base your beliefs on Scripture, I would simply like to see you back this up, without having you resort to your usual lies and deflections... but it seems you cannot. Scripture cannot be complicit with what you imagine, after all, equating an adulterous war mongering pedophile with the Son of God pretty much amounts to blasphemy.
So, this is essentially continuing to derail the thread for her personal "vendetta"--more picking and jeering.
Why don't you start a thread and lay out your case for Jesus being Mohammed. Or simply answer the question, since you said you base your beliefs on Scripture. I would like to see you try to support this blasphemous belief of yours.
I'm ashamed at myself and disappointed in Magenta.
Bowman responded to Magenta's "Why don't you start a thread..." by sharing a link to another thread titled: 'Similarities in Islam & Christianity' -- He refused to take her bait and derail the thread. Good job, Bowman.
Magenta doesn't respond for a while, but the bickering continues with B1Davanda:
You should direct that to your friend bowman.
But then again, since he's betrayed himself as a muslum,
there can be no unity. I'm disappointed in you, though, chuckt,
I thought you would have known better.
At this point, Tintin entered the picture and jumped in with the jeering crowd--picking at Bowman and chuckt.
Chuckt, I know you and Bowman are best buddies or something and that you think highly of him, but I don't give a rat's ass. I really don't. I've said it before. He could be the King of freaking England in terms of theological know-how, but if he has no love for his fellow Christians, he's a clanging bell. To me, he seems as see-through as the Emperor's New Clothes.
This is where I entered the scene--I got on Tintin's case because I thought his post was very rude, inappropriate and, furthermore, I felt Tintin had done this exact same thing (disparaging remarks) to me recently. We've since resolved our matter--but there are other relationships yet to be mended here!
B1Davanda continues the accusations and disparaging remarks.
Magenta reenters and continues the same.
I tried to mediate at this point, but Magenta just attacked me also.
And yet we are being told Jesus was Mohammed. Stop interfering. You are not helping even if you think are, even if it is your hope to do so. Either agree or disagree: was Jesus Christ Mohammed? And if you think He was, side with Bowman and defend it. If you believe He was not, then join us in asking for proof from Scripture where Bowman says he bases his beliefs.
Magenta was the one who derailed the thread and made it into a 'Bowman said Muhammed (the pedophile) was Christ'. Her attitude of 'either agree or disagree' shows her unwillingness to logically and cordially discuss the topic. It appears some deep emotional attachment is the root of her ire--that attachment being: her current perception of who Muhammed is compared to who Jesus Christ is.
I am quite certain my postings during this time were only making Magenta and B1Davanda even more frustrated. For this, I am sorry--my intention was never to add to the problem.
At this point, there are about two pages of me simply trying to explain my actions to deaf ears (Magenta & B1Davanda).
At this point, we are 12 pages into a derailed thread.
On page 14, Dan_473 comes up with the idea to start a new thread, so as not to continue to derail this thread.
New thread here (
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...aracteristics-biblical-jesus.html#post2579496).
B1Davanda continues the disparaging remarks, EVEN AFTER a new thread is created.
roaringkitten follows suit.
I was guilty of the same:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ersection-theoogy-science-15.html#post2579650