RK refused to reply to me, twice, regarding this important Biblical characteristic of Jesus, perhaps you can answer...
Q: Does Jesus know the hour of His return?
The essential characteristics of the Biblical Jesus
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RK refused to reply to me, twice, regarding this important Biblical characteristic of Jesus, perhaps you can answer...
Q: Does Jesus know the hour of His return?
before I look at that, I'm interested in seeing what you believe to be the circle that I'm using... the circle relating to using english translations of the bible.
Bowman wrote
I asked for clarification
Bowman's response was
that didn't look like laying out circular logic to me, so I restated my request.
to which Bowman replied with this post entitled "Come on...Dan..."
so, Bowman, if you'd like to lay out what you believe to be the circular logic, please do.
if you want to talk about a question about Jesus' knowledge, then we can do that.
I asked for clarification
Bowman's response was
that didn't look like laying out circular logic to me, so I restated my request.
to which Bowman replied with this post entitled "Come on...Dan..."
so, Bowman, if you'd like to lay out what you believe to be the circular logic, please do.
if you want to talk about a question about Jesus' knowledge, then we can do that.
Dan...
I'm attempting to stick to the Jesus' characterization topic, that you, yourself, started in this thread.
Deflection won't make this characteristic go away...
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Do you really think that Jesus is still limited to only functioning as a man, as He was in His incarnation??
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Scripture says: Jesus went from 'emptying Himself' to the likeness of a human, to death on a cross, to a glorified resurrected being whose 'countenance was like lightning...'
Here are some of Jesus's words after he rose from the dead:
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20 NIV)
While you are reluctant to post scripture, the Koran already positively identifies Jesus as having knowledge of the Hour...
Jesus Knows the Hour
Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…
ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم
Walammaduriba ibnu maryama mathalan itha qawmuka minhu yasiddoona waqaloo aalihatuna khayrun am huwa madaraboohu laka illa jadalan bal hum qawmun khasimoona in huwa illa AAabdun anAAamna AAalayhi wajaAAalnahu mathalan libanee isra-eela walaw nashao lajaAAalna minkum mala-ikatan fee al-ardi yakhlufoona wa-innahu laAAilmun lilssaAAati fala tamtarunna biha waittabiAAooni hathasiratun mustaqeemun
And only Mary's Son, held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?” That they set Him forth to you except disputation, but they, a nation(of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him, and we made Him a sign to Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth,t hey succeed. And truly He (has) knowledge to The Resurrection, so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)
Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.
Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.
Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.
Jesus knows the Hour...
Qul inkana lilrrahmaniwaladunfaanaawwalualAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawatiwaal-ardirabbi alAAarshi AAammayasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoowayalAAaboohatta yulaqooyawmahumuallatheeyooAAadoona wahuwa allathee feealssama-iilahunwafee al-ardiilahunwahuwaalhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona
Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers'first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord,from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud,God,and upon the earth, God,and He,the wise, the one who knows.And exalted whom certainly His, King (of)the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection,and to Him you are taken back.And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, exceptHe;He bore witness on account of The Truth and them,they know. (43.81- 86)
Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).
Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:
Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.
قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون
Qul inkana lilrrahmaniwaladunfaanaawwalualAAabideena subhana rabbi alssamawatiwaal-ardirabbi alAAarshi AAammayasifoona fatharhum yakhoodoowayalAAaboohatta yulaqooyawmahumuallatheeyooAAadoona wahuwa allathee feealssama-iilahunwafee al-ardiilahunwahuwaalhakeemu alAAaleemu watabaraka allathee lahu mulku alssamawati waal-ardi wama baynahuma waAAindahu AAilmu alssaAAati wa-ilayhi turjaAAoona wala yamliku allatheena yadAAoona min doonihi alshshafaAAata illa man shahida bialhaqqi wahum yaAAlamoona
Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myself the worshippers'first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord,from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meet their day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud,God,and upon the earth, God,and He,the wise, the one who knows.And exalted whom certainly His, King (of)the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection,and to Him you are taken back.And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession, exceptHe;He bore witness on account of The Truth and them,they know. (43.81- 86)
Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).
Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:
- Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
- Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
- Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
- Jesus is Lord of the Throne
- Jesus is God upon the Cloud
- Jesus is God upon the Earth
- Jesus is The Intercession
- Jesus is The Witness
- Jesus is The Truth
- None are superior to Him
- Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection
Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.
A great passage on The Trinity, to be sure.....but, this still does not address whether or not Jesus knows the hour of His return...
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What is significant about this point to you?
By your recent response to FreeN, I now see why people think that your Bible is the Quran.
Not a bright idea....as the authors of the Koran always point the reader back to its source, the Holy Bible.
Thus...knowing that the Koran can only copy, where would the Holy Bible state that Jesus knows the hour?
What I am showing you people is that you don't know your very own Bible that well...