The essential characteristics of the Biblical Jesus

[RobbyEarl]

Since Satan is presently bound, our ever-present enemy are the free-ranging demons.

Islam is a safe-house for demons, as they have mis-interpreted their scripture set, and have turned it into a twisted carnal nightmare.

Islam represents what can happen when ignorance gets behind scriptural mis-interpretation.

Be a Berean, and study your scriptures..

when has satan been bound? Unless you are talking about his defeat at the cross, but he has not yet been bound, he still has access to the Throne to accuse the brethren. He has not been cast out of heaven yet. That is coming but, not yet.

 

[Bowman]

when has satan been bound? Unless you are talking about his defeat at the cross, but he has not yet been bound, he still has access to the Throne to accuse the brethren. He has not been cast out of heaven yet. That is coming but, not yet.

Incorrect.

Satan was rendered completely impotent at The Cross, as stated numerous times in scripture.

You cannot base your entire mis-guided doctrine around one passage in Rev 20....that is simply foolishness...

 

[RobbyEarl]

Luke 22:31
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have
you that he may sift you as wheat

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ​accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[Bowman]

Luke 22:31
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have
you that he may sift you as wheat

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ​accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[RobbyEarl]

Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon


Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

Might as well be Chimese or swahili. Yes we have power over him (satan) in the name of Jesus and sin should not rule over us (as we are free from the power of sin) which we were once slaves to. But, Satan is alive and working at this moment and is still accusing the brethren at the throne of God. Yes we have a mediator who is Jesus Christ and thank God that we do. The tribulation is when God cast satan from heaven. On the cross or, I should say shortly after, Jesus took the keys of death from satan and emptied paradise. To say that satan is bound and only his demons have free roam is incorrect. He is bound by the word of God and the presence of the church (Holy Spirit) is the only thing holding him back. When the Church is removed (Him that restrains) he will have freedom to do what ever he wants ( that's when he is cast from heaven) it's called the tribulation or the time of Jacobs trouble and we all know what happens at the end of that.

 

[roaringkitten]

Since Muslims are indoctrinated with the polemic that the Christian Bible is corrupted, the only way to get to most of these people is to show and educate them, with their very own scriptures, just how Jesus is their true God and Savior...and how they need to read the Holy Bible to get the full story.

The world needs more advocates that are trying to spread the Biblical message into the Muslim world, by communicating the original & lost Christian message contained within the pages of the Koran.

What we don't need is more thumb-suckers that can only bark out disdain...

And since their indoctrination is being caused by demonic spiritual blindness, one must use the Sword of the Spirit, the Word of God, to defeat the spiritual enemy.

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Eph 6:12

How can you use inferior weapons to open their blind eyes? The Koran is not the Sword of the Spirit!

"For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds" 2 Cor 10:4

The world needs more advocates of obeying the Word of God. The Word of God really is as powerful as Hebrews 4:12 proclaims. The Word of God is the only Sword that can pierce the soul and spirit of any false religion on this planet.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Heb 4:12

The command was to preach the gospel to every creature(Mark 16:15), not go teach it with a false religion's own scriptures! You have not proven Muhammad or allah from only the Scriptures of the Word. And you will never be able to because it can't be done.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Bowman the fact that you inferred that I was a fool was enough to tell me what you are.

 

[roaringkitten]

Luke 22:31
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have
you that he may sift you as wheat

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ​accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Here's another verse:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8

 

[Bowman]

Might as well be Chimese or swahili. Yes we have power over him (satan) in the name of Jesus and sin should not rule over us (as we are free from the power of sin) which we were once slaves to. But, Satan is alive and working at this moment and is still accusing the brethren at the throne of God. Yes we have a mediator who is Jesus Christ and thank God that we do. The tribulation is when God cast satan from heaven. On the cross or, I should say shortly after, Jesus took the keys of death from satan and emptied paradise. To say that satan is bound and only his demons have free roam is incorrect. He is bound by the word of God and the presence of the church (Holy Spirit) is the only thing holding him back. When the Church is removed (Him that restrains) he will have freedom to do what ever he wants ( that's when he is cast from heaven) it's called the tribulation or the time of Jacobs trouble and we all know what happens at the end of that.

By denying that Satan was bound at The Cross, you are diminishing Jesus' power and giving it to Satan.

Starting at the top, scripture informs the reader that Satan was judged and bound at The Cross – thus, Satan has been incapable of possessing anyone since Jesus’ death…

· John 12.31 - 33
· Eph 6.11 – 16
· Col 2.13 -15
· 2 Thes 2.1 – 17
· 2 Thes 2.6 - 7
· Heb 2.14 – 15
· Rev 5.9 - 10
· Rev 20.1 - 5

 

[RobbyEarl]

Then explain the antichrist

 

[Bowman]

You have not proven Muhammad or allah from only the Scriptures of the Word. And you will never be able to because it can't be done.

Already did.

We're still waiting for your reply on if Jesus knows the Hour of His return.

You went silent the previous two times I directly asked you....and finally had to answer it myself....because you ran from it...

 

[Bowman]

Bowman the fact that you inferred that I was a fool was enough to tell me what you are.

Dwell upon that instead of scripture....nice....

 

[RobbyEarl]

So he 's bound but still barking orders like some kingpin in prison?

 

[RobbyEarl]

I gave you scripture yet you relish in calling me a fool and take joy in it. I love you bro.

 

[Bowman]

Keep the ignorance flowing...

Here's another verse:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8

1 Peter 5.8


νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;




This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).


Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.

 

[Bowman]

So he 's bound but still barking orders like some kingpin in prison?

Scripture says that Satan's power is now through his demons....NOT Himself, directly...and thank God for that!

 

[Bowman]

I gave you scripture yet you relish in calling me a fool and take joy in it. I love you bro.

No.

You apparently relish in calling yourself that...

 

[roaringkitten]

Your judgment?

You have some serious theological comprehension issues, brother.

Don't you yet know that the Righteous are NOT judged? Only the unrighteous are judged.

If you think that you are going to be judged, then that means that you think you are not going to Heaven...


John 5.24 -29

Truly, truly, I say to you, The one who hears My Word, and believes the One who has sent Me, has everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Truly, truly, I say to you that an hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and the ones hearing will live. For even as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to have life in Himself. And He also gave authority to Him to execute judgment, for He is the Son of Man.Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all those in the tombswill hear His voice. And they will come out, the ones having practiced good into a resurrection of life; the ones having done evil into a resurrection of judgment.

John 5:

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Speaking of judgment:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor 5:10, also Rom 14:10, both speaking to believers.

Again, to believers:

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" 1 Pet 4:17

You talk in circles.

You better hold off on witnessing to Muslims until you can defend your own Bible, first.

You might want to study the Bible a bit more Bowman.

 

[RobbyEarl]

so who is persecuting Israel and who chopping off heads of Christians. satans minions ? who is leading them and who is trying to thwart the word of God?

John 8:49
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.


John 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.


John 10:20
And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?


John 10:21
Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?


John 13:2
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;


Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Acts 13:10
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?


1 Corinthians 10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.


1 Corinthians 10:21
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.


Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.


Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.


1 Timothy 3:6
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.


1 Timothy 3:7
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.


1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


2 Timothy 2:26
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


James 3:15
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual,devilish.


James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.


1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worshipdevils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short tim
Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever

 

[Bowman]

Speaking of judgment:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Cor 5:10, also Rom 14:10, both speaking to believers.

2 Cor 5.10 mentions absolutely nothing about the Righteous standing before the judgment seat and being judged.

It actually fits with the rest of scripture which mandates that ONLY the unrighteous are standing before God, being judged.