Metabolic Syndrome. Too many Christians have it.

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JosephsDreams

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Metabolic Syndrome...
...is a clustering of at least three of five of the following medical conditions: abdominal (central) obesity, elevated blood pressure, elevated fasting plasma glucose, high serum triglycerides, and low high-density lipoprotein (HDL) levels.

The primary cause is a bad diet.


19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)


Many Americans, but Christians especially, need to take ownership of their health.
We need to be pro active, not reactive. Prevention.
We can't hyper-pray away calories and foods that are bad for us. If we could do that, none of us would ever get sick or need to do diet plans to lose weight.
God has put into place natural laws. We can't violate them and then expect good results.

We are made in Gods image.
 

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I did not want to include the image of the over weight person. But I tried, and could not find a way to delete it. Moderator, maybe you can do this? No offense to anyone.
 

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I PM'ed a mod to delete it. I did not intend that image to be in here. I am mortified. It is not my intention to offend anyone struggling with weight issues.

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No offense, JD, but you DO come across as somewhat offensive. Especially since you're always trying to hawk your diets on people, and tell them that their illnesses are possibly caused by their bad eating. No one wants to be told that essentially they are making their illness worse by eating a bad diet. All they hear is "you could have avoided this if you ate better". Like it's their fault that they got whatever illness they have. I found it insulting and I'm sure others probably did also. I know you're only trying to help and I commend you for that BUT you sound like a broken record stuck on repeat.. :(
 
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It's the natural health forum. Many of us welcome discussion around diet and nutrition.
 

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It's the natural health forum. Many of us welcome discussion around diet and nutrition.

That's all well and fine, but he goes into other forums and tells us that if we ate better, we wouldn't have the disease that we have.. He recommends crazy algae and wheat grass diets, and when someone tells him they don't want to do it or can't afford it, he STILL nags them by saying they could "possibly" see results, or even a cure, if they try the diet.. It's annoying to be constantly told that what you're eating is causing whatever disease you have. Myself and others have told him we don't want his diet, or can't afford it. And he STILL tried convincing us to try his diet.. I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate being told that I'm basically causing my own disease. :/
 

JosephsDreams

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LB, you seem like a nice Vermont raised and bred woman. I am not going to get much into this with you again.
Here is what to do : Just ignore my posts then. You always say the same thing about me anyway. I think you either just don't understand the fundamentals of Gods natural law, or your guilt of not being able to do a better diet, is motivating you to ask me, or almost order me, to not speak about it, so you don't have to be reminded of your weakness. We all have them. I don't know why it may bother so. But anyway...
Your coming close to being a censure.
There are other people who may want to discuss or hear what I have to say.
I am sorry to say this, but your really just displaying your lack of education about this. Which that in itself is not so bad, a lot of us don't know about a lot of thing. But to try and degrade what I know as true and facts is beyond not being knowledge about something.
And it is in the bible too, so your also showing that you don't understand this aspect of the bible.
I will say it clearly to you one last time, not because you are going to change your lifestyle, your not, I know that, but because I want you to know this clearly as you can digest the info:
Diet and lifestyle play a major role in most disease. Changing your diet and lifestyle can help alleviate and even "cure" some diseases, and in fact can sometimes be the only reason one has a complete reversal.

I have been doing this for 23 years. I know what I am doing. Unless you have schizophrenia and there is another you lurking around, you do not really understand this. I say that in a humble way. From here on in, I am not going to be replying anymore to your posts about my comments on diet and disease and a lifestyle closer to what Gods intends for us. I was not even going to reply to this one, but out of courteousness I decided it would be best to.

I am not going to even read your posts any more when it is something of this nature.
So if your expecting me to respond, or me to stop posting about this, don't waste your time.
As far as any other posts your write on any other subject, I will continue to read them and reply, as I appreciate your input and contributions here.

May God bless in health, you and good luck with your health issues.
 
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First let me say that I can’t apply 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 to the outward man. It doesn't line up with what Jesus said about not acknowledging each other in the flesh. The outward man is crucified, dead and buried with Christ. We are new spiritual creatures, so that verse about our body being the temple is talking about abandoning our whole lives to Christ that others may see Jesus by the way we love God and treat others with love. We walk by faith, not by sight. Right?

Even though I myself am an advocate for health & nutrition, it’s not my religion. LOL Ya know what I mean? After all, bodily exercise profits little. It’s great to be healthy, but it can’t compare with being spiritual whole. And we all know people who are physically healthy but who are not very nice people to be around.

Having said that, JosephsDreams are you familiar with "macronutrient ratio"? Because of the high fat, high carb diet my husband had been raised on as a child, he was overweight most of his life and felt sluggish & tired easily. He tried every diet & exercise program but was never able to drop but a certain amount of weight and then gained it right back when he'd get frustrated.

Many years ago I heard a nutritionist explain that we have a certain amount of fat cells and even if you lose weight, none of those cells disappear. You're just making those fat cells skinny when you lose weight. The problem is, when those fat cells are used to being "full", any kind of diet you go on signals those cells to go into starvation mode. That hunger causes us to overeat and gain the weight right back again. The nutritionist suggested the solution of building up your metabolism to make those fat cells burn calories faster, rather than signaling your body that it's starving.

My husband hated dieting and he disliked most harsh exercise regimens but he wanted to lose weight so he could feel physically healthier. He wanted a program where:
1. He could eat every time he was hungry
2. His exercise regimen would be something he really enjoyed

So instead of "dieting", he ate anything he wanted anytime he wanted to except he stayed within a
normal fat-carb-protein ratio (macronutrient ratio). And to build up his metabolism, he exercised at least 3x weekly by walking through the park or riding his mountain bike.

Some people say that the macronutrient ratio doesn't matter, that's it's irrelevant. But within less than a year, my husband lost over 100 lbs with total ease and did not gain it back. His metabolism increased and he was able to breathe more easily and gained endurance with his walking & bike riding. So for him, that worked perfectly!
And by the way, even after he lost weight my husband was still a big burly guy ~ and I loved that about him!
 
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I used to eat too much candy and weighed 2 kilo's too much to be really thin. My sweet ex kicked a demon of gluttony out without asking first. Never been so offended in my life, but since then I never had to diet anymore.
Not true, I also was a tiny bit offended when he kicked a demon of stupidity out hahahahaha.
 

JosephsDreams

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First let me say that I can’t apply 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 to the outward man. It doesn't line up with what Jesus said about not acknowledging each other in the flesh. The outward man is crucified, dead and buried with Christ. We are new spiritual creatures, so that verse about our body being the temple is talking about abandoning our whole lives to Christ that others may see Jesus by the way we love God and treat others with love. We walk by faith, not by sight. Right?

Even though I myself am an advocate for health & nutrition, it’s not my religion. LOL Ya know what I mean? After all, bodily exercise profits little. It’s great to be healthy, but it can’t compare with being spiritual whole. And we all know people who are physically healthy but who are not very nice people to be around.

Having said that, JosephsDreams are you familiar with "macronutrient ratio"? Because of the high fat, high carb diet my husband had been raised on as a child, he was overweight most of his life and felt sluggish & tired easily. He tried every diet & exercise program but was never able to drop but a certain amount of weight and then gained it right back when he'd get frustrated.

Many years ago I heard a nutritionist explain that we have a certain amount of fat cells and even if you lose weight, none of those cells disappear. You're just making those fat cells skinny when you lose weight. The problem is, when those fat cells are used to being "full", any kind of diet you go on signals those cells to go into starvation mode. That hunger causes us to overeat and gain the weight right back again. The nutritionist suggested the solution of building up your metabolism to make those fat cells burn calories faster, rather than signaling your body that it's starving.

My husband hated dieting and he disliked most harsh exercise regimens but he wanted to lose weight so he could feel physically healthier. He wanted a program where:
1. He could eat every time he was hungry
2. His exercise regimen would be something he really enjoyed

So instead of "dieting", he ate anything he wanted anytime he wanted to except he stayed within a
normal fat-carb-protein ratio (macronutrient ratio). And to build up his metabolism, he exercised at least 3x weekly by walking through the park or riding his mountain bike.

Some people say that the macronutrient ratio doesn't matter, that's it's irrelevant. But within less than a year, my husband lost over 100 lbs with total ease and did not gain it back. His metabolism increased and he was able to breathe more easily and gained endurance with his walking & bike riding. So for him, that worked perfectly!
And by the way, even after he lost weight my husband was still a big burly guy ~ and I loved that about him!
Well, it could apply to one or the other, or both. Sometimes the bible is layered in its messages.
But anyway...
Its not my religion, I am not even dogmatic about it. I know some people who obsess over it, they stand there and say should I have 6 nuts today or 8? Almost literally.
If our body profits little, then it is okay for people to be unhealthy? Then we do we spend so much on health care, and meds, and why do people seem to have such a compromised quality of life when they are unhealthy?
I think after God, and relationships, our health is the most important thing we can have.

I know that some here think I am trying to push this down peoples throats (pun intended). I am not. I am trying to get people to consider a different perspective on food and lifestyle and how it dramatically effects out health.
All I am really asking is for people to not take my word, but take ownership of their health, their bodies, be proactive, do some research and see if the standard American diet is causing a lot of health problems.

It is funny, we complain about our health, complain about health care costs, complain about aches and pains, but seem to just accept this is the way people are supposed to age. And that some of these diseases are just a inevitable fact of life.
I think that it makes some people feel uncomfortable to hear that they can take responsibility for their health because if they believe it and don't do it, then they feel disappointed, or maybe that they failed, or some other negative feeling.

Speaking of spiritual, did one ever consider that maybe a higher standard of internal body cleanliness may vibrationally and/or electro magnetically and/or chemically make our bodies better conductors for spiritual awareness? That all that sludge in our bodies are a blockage to a higher level of sensitivity to the spirit?
All that noise and clutter in our minds tends to go away when we fast and that fasting helps with our spiritual connection. So if one carries that to its logical conclusion, then it stands to reason that a diet free of processed foods, more raw and vegan may lead to less blockage.
We have to stop separating the mind, body and spirit. They are all members of the same body and while unique, work in unison.

So why all the resistance here by some people? I don't mean you. But wouldn't it be more intellectually honest say to say I don't know to much about and I may have some valid points? Or that so and so, I can't do it? Or that I am just not interested in eating better because I don't believe it? But again, we are back to where if one does not believe it, do they base it on science, or opinion? I know I would respect that more, rather then some of the things I have heard here.

I know about the macro nutrient diet, and it is not much different in principal to the Atkins diet for losing weight. It will help a person lose weight, and for a short term it is good for catapulting a lifestyle change and losing weight. In the long term the weight loss portion is unhealthy because it has way to much protein. But the sustainable portion of it is not to bad, but not ideal either.

The best long term diet, and the most healthiest way to lose weight and keep it off in a sustainable healthy fashion is a diet high in raw and vegan foods, with a lot of veggies, fruit, and some raw nuts, beans, sprouts, and seeds. Little or no animal products, or no more then 3 times a week. Very little processed foods. That means very little that comes in a box, or a can or a vacuum sealed bag.
 
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Metabolism is controlled by the thyroid gland. Too high you lose weight,
too low you gain weight. But changes to weight are just one of several
awful symptoms and weight increase or loss alone do not mean you have a thyroid
problem.

I know because i had Graves' disease 10 years ago and my thyroid levels were off
the chart. During the course of treatment I swung back and forth from one extreme to
another. God eventually cured me as the doctors didn't seem to know what to do and
could not get things under control.

Having therefore experienced both over and under active thyroid problems and spent lots
of time researching it and experiencing the problems for 3.5 years. I can categorically say
that there is very little a person can do via diet to increase or decrease the metabolism
which is controlled by the thyroid gland.

You see the paturity gland produces a hormone which regulates the thyroid levels,
if functioning correctly then if too much thyroxine is in the system it sends signals to
reduce production, if not enough it sends signals to increase levels.

Only in my case something went wrong with that system.

If you have a properly functioning thyroid gland, then if you try to increase thyroid levels
say by adding iodine to your diet (the thyroid gland needs minute amounts of iodine to function),
then the body will just compensate for this by sending signals to lower your thyroid levels etc
and vice versa if you try to eat a diet to lower them.


Thyroid problems can be genetic and in my family my mum and two cousins
also had/have thyroid problems. Diet may will play a part with some issues, but
it will not affect the way your thyroid gland and therefore how your metabolism works.
If someone has an under active thyroid gland they need to see a doctor not a dietician as
unless the thyroid levels are brought back under control, you could eat a lettuce leaf
and still put on a stone. Equally if you have an overactive thyroid you can eat 24/7 and still
lose weight - I know I did I dropped 10 pound in two week at one point and I could not
get enough food unto me I was constantly hungry.

Ps you also cannot affect your metobolism by exercising, it's just that if you
exercise then hopefully you burn off more calories than you eat.


Your Thyroid Gland - British Thyroid Foundation
 
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Incidentally my aunt was in hospital for 6 weeks in summer last year and 12 weeks in Autumn.

During that time she went weeks without eating or eating very little.
Even though she was bed bound and is 80, she still lost 42 pound. Losing weight is
based on eating less calories than your body needs and that is the key to any
diet. Exercise obviously helps with that as it increases the amount of calories a
body needs, but exercise does not increase the metabolism for the reasons in
the above post.
 
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The primary cause is a bad diet.


We need to be pro active, not reactive. Prevention.
Great advice. Very encouraging post, I hope people take notice and follow suit. The person I buy my detoxified iodine from told me her surgeon said "an organic diet is a whole lot cheaper than treatment later on i.e chemotherapy" Investing in one's health is one of the best things a person can do.
 
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Yep, laura...eating healthy (not referring to all organic) doesn't have to be expensive at all. I challenge the claim that eating junk food is cheaper, when you consider products like eggs, leafy veggies, beans. Human nature shows us that our behaviors follow our priorities. The whole underlying premise of economics is what drives people to allocate their resources the way they do. Your bank statement doesn't lie. Junk food is just as, if not more, costly as any other food.
(To be clear, apples to apples, we're not comparing a choice between skipping dinner or eating at McDonald's, it's looking at the items selected if you were given for example, a 20 dollar budget for a shopping trip.)

I do differ in opinion with JD as far as the best diet being a raw vegan diet, but there is definitely truth to the sentiment that 'an of prevention is worth a pound of cure'. (A cavity will cost you more than dental floss)

don't get me wrong, I can put away some pasta, pizza, chips, key lime pie and such, and I definitely indulge now and then, but I don't make excuses for it, it's just a choice.

AuntieAnt, someone shared a thought with me once about macros that really resonated...reducing your calories may help you lose weight, but eating according your macros helps you LOOK leaner because it determines your body composition, and what those lost lbs consist of (fat, muscle, blood and guts). I'm sure some of the fitness buffs/muscle heads/nutrition folks around here know a lot more too, hopefully they are encouraged to participate
 

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Well, in fairness to JosephsDreams, we DO decide what goes into our OWN bodies. And I also hope that he realizes that. More than a few times he's told me that I need to stop consuming dairy, I recognize that that is his suggestion and I have the final say (FYI my final say was a resounding NO). I don't buy that crock about milk being bad for you. Ok store bought pasteurized stuff that's barely milk, is most likely not good for anyone, when I say milk I mean straight from the cow to the bucket, filtered through a cheesecloth, skim into a glass jar, put in the fridge, then into my glass milk.
I digress. The point is JosephsDreams gives what he believes to be solid advice and suggestions, it shouldn't matter any what he (or anyone else) does or does not think about when you decide not to follow his ideas.
 
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If I stopped having diary I would end up very ill,
cramps, fits, dizziness, oestoporus, balance problems.

Due to the problems with the Graves' disease it affected my parathyroid glands
so I now have hypoparathyroidism. People think more milk equals good calcium
levels but that is not entirely true either, as the para thyroid glands produce another
different hormone to the thyroid glands, which regulate the balance of your blood
calcium and phosphate levels.

Mine do not work now so I have to have Vit D and Calcium tablets every day equivalent to
1.5 times the normal adult recommended intake each day, plus get a diet which is high
in calcium which take me up to at 2.5 times the recommended adult intake each day.

If I miss breakfast cereal with the milk for maybe 3-4 days I start to get
severe cramp. So diary is to me what insulin is to a diabetic.

Same if I miss more than 1 or 2 of the calcium tablets.



Hypoparathyroidism. Causes and symptoms parathyroid disease | Patient
 
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No offence JD but you have to be careful about the general advice given out
on a public forum. Incidentally there are lots of the conditions where a high fibre
low fat diet would also cause problems, irritable bowel, chrones disease etc.
Low calcium would cause problems for pregnant women.

Certain vitamins and minerals are also needed in just trace amounts or very low
amounts that it makes no sense to buy supplements for example iodine.


[h=3]How much iodine do I need?[/h]Adults need 0.14mg of iodine a day.
Most people should be able to get all the iodine
they need by eating a varied and balanced diet.

[h=3]What happens if I take too much iodine?[/h]Taking high doses of iodine for long periods of time
could change the way your thyroid gland works.
This can lead to a wide range of different symptoms,
such as weight gain.

[h=3]What does the Department of Health advise?[/h]You should be able to get all the iodine you need by
eating a varied and balanced diet. If you take iodine
supplements, don't take too much, because this could
be harmful.

Taking 0.5mg or less a day of iodine supplements is
unlikely to cause any harm.

Vitamins and minerals - Iodine - NHS Choices
 
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Just as there can be errors with what a person posts on a forum, there can be just as many errors on an article from a website.

Certain vitamins and minerals are also needed in just trace amounts or very low
amounts that it makes no sense to buy supplements for example iodine.

I find this to be an incredibly dangerous statement as offered as advice. If you did some further research above and beyond a simple article on a website or better yet personal experience, you'd discover so much more. Iodine is one of the major minerals that is used in the prevention of cancer. Nascent or detoxified iodine can completely heal painful dyshidrotic eczema in the way that just eating foods with iodine traces in them couldn't. Having Iodine also helps majorly with clearing skin and the digestive process. It also helps with anxiety and aiding in severe menstrual cramps. It's a healthy alternative to heavy drug taking where and when just having foods with traces of iodine in them would be in no way sufficient.

To say "don't bother buying it because you can find traces of it in food" is an incredibly ignorant generalising statement to make. Anyone can eat any kind of 'food' claiming to have traces of iodine in them to be sufficient enough, but the food itself isn't healthy or it's so minimally present that any source of supposed iodine is lost in its benefits on the brain and the body in preventing diseases and dealing with pre existing conditions. I've been using both nascent and detoxified iodine for years and it has been so beneficial to my health, not just in resolving past conditions but in aiding in the prevention of anything new.




 
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Just as there can be errors with what a person posts on a forum, there can be just as many errors on an article from a website.



I find this to be an incredibly dangerous statement as offered as advice. If you did some further research above and beyond a simple article on a website or better yet personal experience, you'd discover so much more. Iodine is one of the major minerals that is used in the prevention of cancer. Nascent or detoxified iodine can completely heal painful dyshidrotic eczema in the way that just eating foods with iodine traces in them couldn't. Having Iodine also helps majorly with clearing skin and the digestive process. It also helps with anxiety and aiding in severe menstrual cramps. It's a healthy alternative to heavy drug taking where and when just having foods with traces of iodine in them would be in no way sufficient.

To say "don't bother buying it because you can find traces of it in food" is an incredibly ignorant generalising statement to make. Anyone can eat any kind of 'food' claiming to have traces of iodine in them to be sufficient enough, but the food itself isn't healthy or it's so minimally present that any source of supposed iodine is lost in its benefits on the brain and the body in preventing diseases and dealing with pre existing conditions. I've been using both nascent and detoxified iodine for years and it has been so beneficial to my health, not just in resolving past conditions but in aiding in the prevention of anything new.





Agreed, low iodine levels can cause problems and if a person has medically confirmed
with low levels, then they may need to have it.

But due to the trace amounts we need, it would be unusual to have iodine deficiency in a
first world country where a varied diet is available and people who are not deficient need to be
careful they do not over do it - as with any supplements by the way. :)
Too much iodine ingested can cause problems long term.


I am not a doctor but I do have first hand knowledge of thyroid gland issues.
The thyroid needs iodine to function as the iodine is absorbed by the thyroid gland.

When I had Graves' disease, the doctors wanted to treat me with radio active
iodine treatment, but I refused due to the various problems it can cause.

The idea is that you swallow radioactive iodine and the thyroid gland absorbs it
which in turn destroys your thyroid function due to the radiation.
It wasn't actually a cure though it would just have made me go under active and
caused irreparable damage to my thyroid gland.

During Chernobyl there was a lot of people who developed thyroid cancer due to the
radiative iodine released, again because the thyroid gland absorbs iodine.

One of the things the doctors did do, was give me a drug to actually prevent my
thyroid gland absorbing iodine in a bid to try to lower my thyroid levels. They would
not have done that if the thyroid gland did not absorb iodine in the first place.
So someone who takes too much normal iodine in their diet can really mess up their
thyroid function over time.

Oh I agree that topical iodine in the form of lotions, creams etc can be good it has
antiseptic properties and can help with skin problems. I use to use it in my
fish tank or paint it on the fish when they got skin problems. :)

I believe it is also a well known old form of antiseptic for humans, but that is not ingested.
Its the ingestion of too much iodine which can cause problems over time.

Incidentally the web link I gave was the official National Health Service website used
in the Uk by patients and health professionals. It's health professionals who put the
information together so it's not just a random website.