Women in Christianity

[j_tyson]

Kay think of it this way. Women and children are the only two groups of people who never denied Jesus Christ. Women have the ability to be more loyal to men in most ways I have seen. I was in the military and while my men were loyal for the most part, there's always a struggle for authority with males. Women are trusting and God gave them that gift. Proven in the Scripture as we realize that women and children never denied the Lord. You're not inferior. God gave you the ability to have children! Men weren't given that ability (as a man, I praise God for that!) but women were.

 

[distinctiveministry]

your two cents don't add up for paul was teaching the word of God, the jewish temple was design in different courts the high priest, the priest, the jewish men, the jewish woman and the gentiles which was ordered by God.

Ge 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


Heb 13:7Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.Heb 13:8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Heb 13:9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

I referenced the last part of Genesis 3:16 in my original post and explained that these are the consequences of the fall, not the original order that God made.

Also, I understand perfectly well the design of the Temple. I began my ministry studies as a Jewish Studies major and maintain an active interest. Since you like Hebrews, I wil quote Heb 8:6-7 & 13
"But now Christ has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second...When He said 'A new covenant' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

The author of Hebrews EXPLICITLY says that the promises in Christ are superior to those of the Mosaic covenant (from which the Temple design came). The new covenant is BETTER than the Mosaic covenant. Just because God told them that was how they were to do it doesn't mean that it was His final plan...the old covenant was a "tutor" to lead them to Christ.

In Christ, whose promises are better, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; you are all one in Christ Jesus."

 

[MahogonySnail]

I have noticed that most churches that have ordained female priests or pastors soon accept homosexuality and other things like the 'all religions lead to God" lies. It's more common than you think. When you mess with God's order, God's order gets messed up.

The reason why women are not allowed in ministry is because at certain times of the month they are unclean. They also suffer mood swings and other things that makes them very unsuitable for ministry. In the bible only post-menopausal women were allowed to minister for this reason. The old female prophets or elders were past their prime (biological-clock speaking), were dedicated to God in Word and prayer and teaching, and were chaste. Yes there were female ministers in the bible, but these were not your average " britney spears cloned on fire for Jesus but still seeking a husband or boyfriend with a piercing or tattoo here and there maybe even a dog collar" type young women.

 

[imoss]

hee hee... snail, you do have quite the way with words! Somehow I doubt kay kay is a bellybutton bearing Britney clone and her questions are valid questions that I think all modern Christian women reflect on and take seriously. You've kinda reduced women kind to.... never mind. My beautiful sisters in Christ who I know on this site in no way reflect the description you've given pre-menopausal women. I think you are stirring it up and then you'll sit back & watch the show. Well... let the show begin ladies, your comments?

 

[distinctiveministry]

I have noticed that most churches that have ordained female priests or pastors soon accept homosexuality and other things like the 'all religions lead to God" lies. It's more common than you think. When you mess with God's order, God's order gets messed up.

The reason why women are not allowed in ministry is because at certain times of the month they are unclean. They also suffer mood swings and other things that makes them very unsuitable for ministry. In the bible only post-menopausal women were allowed to minister for this reason. The old female prophets or elders were past their prime (biological-clock speaking), were dedicated to God in Word and prayer and teaching, and were chaste. Yes there were female ministers in the bible, but these were not your average " britney spears cloned on fire for Jesus but still seeking a husband or boyfriend with a piercing or tattoo here and there maybe even a dog collar" type young women.

So many things here that are messed up I'm truly distressed. One, that denominations that accept women's leadership soon accept homosexuality is a horrible misrepresentation of the truth. Most pentecostal and holiness churches accept women's leadership, none that I am aware of accept homosexuality. Next time check your facts before you speak damaging words about women or any fellow believer.

Secondly, about women's periods...this is a RITUAL impurity relating only to worship in the temple, which, last I recall, no longer exists and is no longer necessary. I has nothing to do with anything else whatsoever, and hasn't been relevant in 1,940 years.

About mood swings...this is simply a slanderous stereotype of all women in general. I know plenty of moody and unstable guys, and just as many women who are extremely level, thoughtful, reasonable, and generally intelligent. All stereotypes of this nature are, again, damaging and unhelpful and, frankly, ungodly.

Only post-menopausal women were allowed to minister?! Where did you get THAT information? I don't know of ANY post-menopausal women who were allowed to minister in scripture. The rest of what you say after this is plain old garbage and doesn't deserve to be dignified with a response.

I only hope you were joking or attempting satire, otherwise, whether women should submit to husbands and church leaders is a moot point, as you have a demeaning and disrespectful attitude toward women that God would never honor.

 

[Kay_Kay]

I have noticed that most churches that have ordained female priests or pastors soon accept homosexuality and other things like the 'all religions lead to God" lies. It's more common than you think. When you mess with God's order, God's order gets messed up.

The reason why women are not allowed in ministry is because at certain times of the month they are unclean. They also suffer mood swings and other things that makes them very unsuitable for ministry. In the bible only post-menopausal women were allowed to minister for this reason. The old female prophets or elders were past their prime (biological-clock speaking), were dedicated to God in Word and prayer and teaching, and were chaste. Yes there were female ministers in the bible, but these were not your average " britney spears cloned on fire for Jesus but still seeking a husband or boyfriend with a piercing or tattoo here and there maybe even a dog collar" type young women.

Don't get upset when I say this actually made me laugh. We're unclean? Actually, sir, we're shedding the endometrial lining of our uterus. It's an ugly affair that is not entirely without pain, so apologies if it makes us...um, temporary insane/promiscuous/bathed in sin?

I have been reading some good responses. (From all of you on both sides of the fence.)

 

[Thaddaeus]

The Bible says that a man and a woman are equal in the Lord.That is because the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh.The spirit and soul are the same.In heaven there is no gender but all saints are as one with no difference of male and female as on earth.
A man and woman are equal in the Lord and that is because there is no need for an authority structure in heaven as on earth but Jesus is the Lord and all saints are equal worshipping Jesus.

Do not feel inferior because you are a woman.Remember that God said that a woman is a help mate and can give her opinion on things with her husband.A woman only has to listen to her husband if it is in line with God's word.The husband's job is to lead the house in the ways of the Lord and anything that is not in line with that a woman does not have to listen.If it is not in line do not cause strife and argue though but always do the things of the Lord.

The reason that God put the husband in charge of running the household which can only be in the ways in the Lord and the only reason that God said only a man should preach to a congregation and not a woman is because God wants an authority structure on earth so that things get done effectively without fighting over whose in charge.It does not mean that a man is better than a woman but God has to have an authority structure on earth.

The authority structure of God on earth is God,Christ,man,woman and woman should have uncut hair because of the angels.People are above angels in the authority structure of God and saints will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels for they will rule with God in the millennial reign of Christ and have a glorified body like God's glorified body privileges the angels will never have.

The Bible says that the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints and that is because the salvation of the saints is greater than the angels.The Bible says that the angels are ministering spirits of all those that shall obtain salvation.Angels are actually the servants of saints on this earth.
The Bible Bible says do not lose your salvation by giving honor to angels but why would a saint want to do that seeing they are actually above an angel.

It is not that a man is better than a woman it is that a God has to have an authority structure on earth so someone has to lead the house and lead the Church.

In heaven the authority structure is God who is Jesus,the saints,angels which means the saints will be higher in glory than the angels.

A man is not better than a woman but God has to have an authority structure on earth so things get dome effectively with no fighting.The military,government,business or any other institution has an authority structure so things run smooth and God has an authority structure so things get done smoothly.

But in the Lord which pertains to the heavenly kingdom there is a man and woman are equal.A woman gets as blessed as man on earth as well as in heaven.

Matt

wow could you give the scripture reference to this claim.

The Bible says that a man and a woman are equal in the Lord.That is because the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh.The spirit and soul are the same.In heaven there is no gender but all saints are as one with no difference of male and female as on earth.

Ga 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.Ga 3:29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


I certainly hope you are not twisting these verses concerning the promise of salvation and trying to apply it to office in the Church. this may break some of your hearts but if Jesus would disagree with the teachings of Paul concerning women in the family and in the House of God why didn't He chose a woman as one of the twelve disciples.

 

[Kay_Kay]

this may break some of your hearts but if Jesus would disagree with the teachings of Paul concerning women in the family and in the House of God why didn't He chose a woman as one of the twelve disciples. [/quote]

That is a very good question. I wouldn't know for certain, but I can guess a preaching woman in that day and age probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe it might have been difficult for a woman to travel with Jesus, considering Jesus was male. I know I can't be close friends with a man without someone thinking we're romantically involved, maybe Jesus wanted to side-step all of that. Understandable. That's probably not the point you were making, but...

 

[OreoSoleil]

Men are supposed to respect woman and love others as Jesus did --- I don't feel inferior to a man. God has called me to raise my children and just give it to God each day -- I don't submit to a man or feel inferior.

Don't ever think you are less because you are a female -- I've have been where you are. It will tear up your spirit -- just seek God and ask Him to answer your question and give you peace. You have so much God wants to show you and so much He wants to do through you --- you will be surprised.

 

[Thaddaeus]

this may break some of your hearts but if Jesus would disagree with the teachings of Paul concerning women in the family and in the House of God why didn't He chose a woman as one of the twelve disciples.

That is a very good question. I wouldn't know for certain, but I can guess a preaching woman in that day and age probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe it might have been difficult for a woman to travel with Jesus, considering Jesus was male. I know I can't be close friends with a man without someone thinking we're romantically involved, maybe Jesus wanted to side-step all of that. Understandable. That's probably not the point you were making, but...[/quote]

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I have noticed that most churches that have ordained female priests or pastors soon accept homosexuality and other things like the 'all religions lead to God" lies. It's more common than you think. When you mess with God's order, God's order gets messed up.

The reason why women are not allowed in ministry is because at certain times of the month they are unclean. They also suffer mood swings and other things that makes them very unsuitable for ministry. In the bible only post-menopausal women were allowed to minister for this reason. The old female prophets or elders were past their prime (biological-clock speaking), were dedicated to God in Word and prayer and teaching, and were chaste. Yes there were female ministers in the bible, but these were not your average " britney spears cloned on fire for Jesus but still seeking a husband or boyfriend with a piercing or tattoo here and there maybe even a dog collar" type young women.

If you've ever dated a man, you'd know they also have more mood swings than a preschool swingset during recess. Men are just as easily emotionally unstable than women, and women can have the ability to have nerves of steel. Of course because you're conditioned to think that women go creepy-crazy you might not understand that biologically not everyone breaks down and cries their heart out every month or throws all good judgement out the window (shall we make other sterotypical assumptions now?) I hardly doubt that's the reason why besides the bias of a man not willing to be taught under a woman. Sometimes your responses can be so...um, out there...that I wonder if you're serious.

With that said- Kay do a study of women in the Bible. You'll find that many verses about women are misinterpreted and out of context when it comes to the "inferior" battle. Thats not it at all. Jesus loved the women in His life and wanted them to be treated better than what was accepted in those days. Women played a great role in the Bible for ministries and that went beyond baby making and snot nosed kid duty. To make another point, gender plays no part in the spiritual gifts that everyone is given as a Christian- why would life be any different?

I dont believe we are all destined to be stay at home moms, marrying men, and baby farms. God didn't make us female because we're just "supposed" to do anything. We are all individuals, none are the same and each is created by God fearfully and wonderfully made. If you have no desire to marry and have children its because God didn't think it was important that you did. Dont let society tell you what you should be feeling or doing because frankly society only tells us to be thinner and have whiter teeth. God isn't society- and we are by no ways less important because of something as silly as gender. Jesus doesn't say anything about us being second rate citizens in heaven. If men were all that God needed for a perfect creation then he wouldn't have created Eve at all.

 

[Kay_Kay]

That is a very good question. I wouldn't know for certain, but I can guess a preaching woman in that day and age probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe it might have been difficult for a woman to travel with Jesus, considering Jesus was male. I know I can't be close friends with a man without someone thinking we're romantically involved, maybe Jesus wanted to side-step all of that. Understandable. That's probably not the point you were making, but...

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine[/quote]

Sarcasm? What's that?

Calm down. I thought it was worth considering.

 

[distinctiveministry]

That is a very good question. I wouldn't know for certain, but I can guess a preaching woman in that day and age probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe it might have been difficult for a woman to travel with Jesus, considering Jesus was male. I know I can't be close friends with a man without someone thinking we're romantically involved, maybe Jesus wanted to side-step all of that. Understandable. That's probably not the point you were making, but...

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine[/quote]

Man, I'm sorry, but I've just read too many of your comments where your tone comes across as anything but pastorly/shepherding. Obviously there are two or more sides to the issue and people will disagree, but since you claim a title I would think to see less sarcasm and more godly concern and love for your brothers and sisters in Christ. I'm sorry this comes across as so personal, but you've posted things like this a few times in different forums and try how I might, I just don't see it as a loving albeit disagreeing response.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

That is a very good question. I wouldn't know for certain, but I can guess a preaching woman in that day and age probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Maybe it might have been difficult for a woman to travel with Jesus, considering Jesus was male. I know I can't be close friends with a man without someone thinking we're romantically involved, maybe Jesus wanted to side-step all of that. Understandable. That's probably not the point you were making, but...

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine[/quote]


I'm sure Jesus would have enough brains to know the difference of spending time preaching with harlots and having them bunk with him and travel for long hours with 12 other men. Its like letting your son go over to a girls house and then not letting him sleep over. Why? Because even though you trust both it's completely unethical socially. It's not totally about reputation, its about not giving other people the fuel to make a fire.

 

[Thaddaeus]

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine

Sarcasm? What's that?

Calm down. I thought it was worth considering.[/quote]
it can be eye opening for some

 

[distinctiveministry]

Thaddaeus, I left a response for you (#22) that you haven't responded to.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

it can be eye opening for some

It certainly is.

 

[Kay_Kay]

oh so He was concern about His reputation this expalins why He spent time with the drunks and harlets, so if he hung around a good christain lady people would talk about Him but the harlets they were fine

I'm sure Jesus would have enough brains to know the difference of spending time preaching with harlots and having them bunk with him and travel for long hours with 12 other men. Its like letting your son go over to a girls house and then not letting him sleep over. Why? Because even though you trust both it's completely unethical socially. It's not totally about reputation, its about not giving other people the fuel to make a fire.[/quote]

Okay, so you and I are on the same wave-length. I agree, this was the point I was trying to make.

 

[shanaynay-deleted]

FEMALES ROCK SISTAS!!!

 

[pickles]

I just wanted to share that Ive been praying and asking Jesus about this alot lately.
Then last night a peace came over me, I was filled with a knowladge of the gentlel power we women have.
Maby not up front and out there, but a sence of the streangth we have in encouraging not only children, but men and actually all in our lives.
I saw how when people want something done in the physical sence, in teaching, or making things happen, they may go to men.
But when it comes to nurturing an idea, or simply bringing it all together, or being the voice of wisdom, that is where we women have the streangth
given to us by God.
We are the soil in which everything grows and blooms.
Just pray and think about it and pray. I believe then you will see the great works we women are called to do.
God bless, pickles