Yes, he got the idea from Philip who taught him the same gospel he had been teaching to the Samarians earlier in the chapter whom he also baptized. This had nothing to do with Jewish rites practiced under the Law of Moses. The point this emphasizes is that water baptism has always been part of the gospel.
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More correctly a part of church ceremony and rite.
1 Cor 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Where shall I find water baptism in this passage?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1 Cor 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Where shall I find water baptism in this passage?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
But He didn't give us water-baptism as the avenue through which we are joined to Him. He gave us FAITH.
He chose to remove our sins at the cross.
The above passages may describe what SYMBOLLICALLY takes place at water-baptism, but if you take it as literally physically removing of sins and raising to life, then you have to take the entire event as literal in present time and actually DIE or drown in the water.
You symbollize the dying and rising to life, but you literallize the removal of sins in the same ceremony.
The passage is explaining what the ceremony of water-baptism represents of the reality that took place BY FAITH.
FAITH is the gift, and faith is the word in the passages highlighted in red that the word baptism symbollizes.
In FAITH our sin has been removed when He took our sin upon Himself and nailed it to the cross.
Baptism represents that.
By FAITH we have risen to new life in Christ.
Rising from the waters of baptism represents that.
In FAITH our old self is crucified WITH Him.
(He wasn't crucified in water, He was crucified on a cross)
In baptism we symbollize our old self having been crucified by faith.
Right, Roger. (Lol, I just got that, lol)
Yes, there was a lot of baptizing going on in those days,
for alot of reasons, it seems. It's not unreasonable to think the new believer might tie his new belief to a popular ceremony, and he may have heard of MANY baptisms by John, or even that Jesus got baptized, many others in those days in that area, so why wouldn't he assume it was a good thing to do, whether he was commanded to right then and there, or not?
(Wilco)
He chose to remove our sins at the cross.
The above passages may describe what SYMBOLLICALLY takes place at water-baptism, but if you take it as literally physically removing of sins and raising to life, then you have to take the entire event as literal in present time and actually DIE or drown in the water.
You symbollize the dying and rising to life, but you literallize the removal of sins in the same ceremony.
The passage is explaining what the ceremony of water-baptism represents of the reality that took place BY FAITH.
FAITH is the gift, and faith is the word in the passages highlighted in red that the word baptism symbollizes.
In FAITH our sin has been removed when He took our sin upon Himself and nailed it to the cross.
Baptism represents that.
By FAITH we have risen to new life in Christ.
Rising from the waters of baptism represents that.
In FAITH our old self is crucified WITH Him.
(He wasn't crucified in water, He was crucified on a cross)
In baptism we symbollize our old self having been crucified by faith.
Right, Roger. (Lol, I just got that, lol)
Yes, there was a lot of baptizing going on in those days,
for alot of reasons, it seems. It's not unreasonable to think the new believer might tie his new belief to a popular ceremony, and he may have heard of MANY baptisms by John, or even that Jesus got baptized, many others in those days in that area, so why wouldn't he assume it was a good thing to do, whether he was commanded to right then and there, or not?
(Wilco)
R
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Gal 1:6-9
What is this gospel Paul preached that men had perverted?:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" 1 Cor 15:1-4
The gospel oldhermit preaches:
Spot the difference? Oldhermit perverts the gospel by adding H2O to the gospel. He lies and bears false testimony of the gospel clearly. Oldhermit is a trouble maker, like his other buddies on here who spout off damnable heresy! One of the strongest rebukes Paul ever gave was for those who perverted the gospel, because such wicked men were tampering with the most important saving message, which is the difference between the eternal fires of hell and eternal life!
What is this gospel Paul preached that men had perverted?:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" 1 Cor 15:1-4
The gospel oldhermit preaches:
Spot the difference? Oldhermit perverts the gospel by adding H2O to the gospel. He lies and bears false testimony of the gospel clearly. Oldhermit is a trouble maker, like his other buddies on here who spout off damnable heresy! One of the strongest rebukes Paul ever gave was for those who perverted the gospel, because such wicked men were tampering with the most important saving message, which is the difference between the eternal fires of hell and eternal life!
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But He didn't give us water-baptism as the avenue through which we are joined to Him. He gave us FAITH.
He chose to remove our sins at the cross.
The above passages may describe what SYMBOLLICALLY takes place at water-baptism, but if you take it as literally physically removing of sins and raising to life, then you have to take the entire event as literal in present time and actually DIE or drown in the water.
You symbollize the dying and rising to life, but you literallize the removal of sins in the same ceremony.
The passage is explaining what the ceremony of water-baptism represents of the reality that took place BY FAITH.
FAITH is the gift, and faith is the word in the passages highlighted in red that the word baptism symbollizes.
In FAITH our sin has been removed when He took our sin upon Himself and nailed it to the cross.
Baptism represents that.
By FAITH we have risen to new life in Christ.
Rising from the waters of baptism represents that.
In FAITH our old self is crucified WITH Him.
(He wasn't crucified in water, He was crucified on a cross)
In baptism we symbollize our old self having been crucified by faith.
Right, Roger. (Lol, I just got that, lol)
Yes, there was a lot of baptizing going on in those days,
for alot of reasons, it seems. It's not unreasonable to think the new believer might tie his new belief to a popular ceremony, and he may have heard of MANY baptisms by John, or even that Jesus got baptized, many others in those days in that area, so why wouldn't he assume it was a good thing to do, whether he was commanded to right then and there, or not?
(Wilco)
He chose to remove our sins at the cross.
The above passages may describe what SYMBOLLICALLY takes place at water-baptism, but if you take it as literally physically removing of sins and raising to life, then you have to take the entire event as literal in present time and actually DIE or drown in the water.
You symbollize the dying and rising to life, but you literallize the removal of sins in the same ceremony.
The passage is explaining what the ceremony of water-baptism represents of the reality that took place BY FAITH.
FAITH is the gift, and faith is the word in the passages highlighted in red that the word baptism symbollizes.
In FAITH our sin has been removed when He took our sin upon Himself and nailed it to the cross.
Baptism represents that.
By FAITH we have risen to new life in Christ.
Rising from the waters of baptism represents that.
In FAITH our old self is crucified WITH Him.
(He wasn't crucified in water, He was crucified on a cross)
In baptism we symbollize our old self having been crucified by faith.
Right, Roger. (Lol, I just got that, lol)
Yes, there was a lot of baptizing going on in those days,
for alot of reasons, it seems. It's not unreasonable to think the new believer might tie his new belief to a popular ceremony, and he may have heard of MANY baptisms by John, or even that Jesus got baptized, many others in those days in that area, so why wouldn't he assume it was a good thing to do, whether he was commanded to right then and there, or not?
(Wilco)
R
You claim that water baptism is part of the gospel. Paul made a blistering rebuke to those who did not preach the gospel he preached. The gospel he preached is layed out so clearly in 1 Cor 15:1-4 and there is no mention of water baptism at all. You added to the Word of God and teach damnable heresy! 1 Cor 15:12-22 speak of the critical importance of the resurrection, and if He had not risen our faith is in vain. You place emphasis on water baptism in 1 Cor 15. The chapter places emphasis on the resurrection. 1 Pet 3:20-21 also says its by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus said He is the resurrection in John 11:25. The Scriptures speak loud and clear of the gospel and point to Jesus. You point people to water as an obligatory means to salvation and when someone confronts you about the thief on the cross, you fabricate a theory with no Biblical support that the thief was baptized!
R
Making fun of Jesus name shows everyone your clear disrespect for Him. The name you jeer at is the only name given among men where we can be saved.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
You are no Christian, but a mockery to everything that is true and righteous! Just like the other day when you applauded someone who mocked the blood of Christ!
Does anyone here say that people should NOT get water baptized like some one on here says? ( post #270 ) Let's expose who is really lying here and spreading falsehood amongst us!
If no one comes up and says " People should NOT be water baptized." - then we have isolated the liar and we need to "mark" them and avoid them.
Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
If no one comes up and says " People should NOT be water baptized." - then we have isolated the liar and we need to "mark" them and avoid them.
Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
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Amen! Baptism put it in it's proper place, subsequent to saving faith as all rites and works must be. Baptism is for believers, and believers are already saved, for the Bible says we are saved by grace through faith, not by rites or religious works, or good works. This does not remove good works/acts of obedience including water baptism from the Christian life, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to receiving salvation through faith in Christ.
Don't fall for the "baiting" and avoid them....just give out scriptures when necessary to refute their continuing falsehood so that new viewers can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and our good, loving Father.
Let's protect the young ones in the Lord and let that be our motivation of love and to contend for the faith of the grace of Christ alone for salvation and in all that He has already done for us because of His great love for us.
He is mighty to save! We honor you Lord Jesus! We trust in what You have done for us! You alone are worthy of glory and honor and praise.
Let's protect the young ones in the Lord and let that be our motivation of love and to contend for the faith of the grace of Christ alone for salvation and in all that He has already done for us because of His great love for us.
He is mighty to save! We honor you Lord Jesus! We trust in what You have done for us! You alone are worthy of glory and honor and praise.
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The hearing of faith. God giving us spiritul ears to hear Him not hear our own imagination of our own hearts that are desperately wicked and beyond repair .He gives us a new heart, a new eternal spirit same as the old covenant. A man must be born from above. Twice is the same context to make sure we do not miss the grace of God like the foolish Galatians
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?(Christ's) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?(Christ's) Gal 3:1
Search out the foundation of the ceremonial law found in the Old testament that you can find a the end to the matter.
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?(Christ's) Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?(Christ's) Gal 3:1
Search out the foundation of the ceremonial law found in the Old testament that you can find a the end to the matter.
Simply not true. The gospel is the good news that Christ has come, bled, died, was buried and rose again the third day that He might save lost souls. The grace of God produces faith, confession, repentance and leads to water baptism but these are not part of the gospel in the true sense of the gospel.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
S
I'd be interested in knowing whether you are in attendance in a local fellowship of believers.
I find that many very judgmental people are not. Sinless perfectionists, while loudly proclaiming their righteousness, are a good case study in that. I'd say 90 percent of the ones I ask this question are rebelling against God by not being in a face-to-face relationship with believers in a local fellowship.
Are you involved in a local fellowship, where you are in submission to church leadership and being held accountable to them? If not, you are in disobedience to the clear teachings of the NT.
Note that I'm not saying you are a sinless perfectionist, but you are engaged in fruit inspection often on this forum. Such individuals constantly question whether others are committed to Christ and obedience to Him, and accuse others of being less committed. I've noticed your posts have a fixation on that.
By the way, since your overall theology is slavish fear and condemnation driven, I cannot see how God can be pleased with your works in such a system. Understanding that is part of what drove me from the hyper-Arminian or Pelagian view of salvation. How can I show love toward God, if my works of obedience are motivated ultimately by fear of impending condemnation, as hyper-Arminians and Pelagians teach? If I obey God out of slavish fear, how does that show love?
Note the word "slavish". I am not talking about the proper respect and awe for God and his authority.. I am all about God's sovereignty. The Holy Spirit also causes us to guard our speech and actions. The new nature wants to please and obey God.
I find that many very judgmental people are not. Sinless perfectionists, while loudly proclaiming their righteousness, are a good case study in that. I'd say 90 percent of the ones I ask this question are rebelling against God by not being in a face-to-face relationship with believers in a local fellowship.
Are you involved in a local fellowship, where you are in submission to church leadership and being held accountable to them? If not, you are in disobedience to the clear teachings of the NT.
Note that I'm not saying you are a sinless perfectionist, but you are engaged in fruit inspection often on this forum. Such individuals constantly question whether others are committed to Christ and obedience to Him, and accuse others of being less committed. I've noticed your posts have a fixation on that.
By the way, since your overall theology is slavish fear and condemnation driven, I cannot see how God can be pleased with your works in such a system. Understanding that is part of what drove me from the hyper-Arminian or Pelagian view of salvation. How can I show love toward God, if my works of obedience are motivated ultimately by fear of impending condemnation, as hyper-Arminians and Pelagians teach? If I obey God out of slavish fear, how does that show love?
Note the word "slavish". I am not talking about the proper respect and awe for God and his authority.. I am all about God's sovereignty. The Holy Spirit also causes us to guard our speech and actions. The new nature wants to please and obey God.
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S
I think the argument over baptism is about one main thing, justification by faith alone.
If a person includes baptism as a condition or requirement of salvation, then something other than faith saves us.
Is baptism a command? Yes. Does it add to salvation, in the sense that an unbaptized person isn't saved? No. Is there any reason why a healthy believer who has the opportunity should not be baptized? No. Will a bedridden person who places their faith in Jesus Christ, without being baptized, be saved? Yes.
Did I receive the Holy Spirit when I placed my faith in Christ, 4 months before I was baptized, despite the false baptismal regeneration view my church held? Yes. Do I think those who are rebelling against the command to be baptized are immature or possibly unsaved? Yes. But, new believers by definition are immature and need to grow up in the Lord.
By the way I suspect the vast majority of new believers are joyous to be baptized as a witness to their unsaved family and friends, and an encouragement to other believers, even though they may lack boldness, be shy or have mental or emotional health issues. In such cases maybe they can work it out so it's a smaller affair.
If a person includes baptism as a condition or requirement of salvation, then something other than faith saves us.
Is baptism a command? Yes. Does it add to salvation, in the sense that an unbaptized person isn't saved? No. Is there any reason why a healthy believer who has the opportunity should not be baptized? No. Will a bedridden person who places their faith in Jesus Christ, without being baptized, be saved? Yes.
Did I receive the Holy Spirit when I placed my faith in Christ, 4 months before I was baptized, despite the false baptismal regeneration view my church held? Yes.
Do I think those who are rebelling against the command to be baptized are immature or possibly unsaved? Yes. But, new believers by definition are immature and need to grow up in the Lord.By the way I suspect the vast majority of new believers are joyous to be baptized as a witness to their unsaved family and friends, and an encouragement to other believers, even though they may lack boldness, be shy or have mental or emotional health issues. In such cases maybe they can work it out so it's a smaller affair.
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