Who is the Nephilim?

[reneweddaybyday]

In the Septuagint, Genesis 6:4 has sons of GOD; in Job 1:6 it has angels of GOD. The bible you are quoting from is derived from the Masoretic Text, which is a Hebrew bible that was modified with Jewish traditions.

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew text.

That the translators of the Septuagint translated the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 and translated the same words as angels of God in Job 1:6 was a matter of interpretation on their part.

In the text, the words "sons / angels of God" were translated from the Hebrew words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm".

 

[Chuckt]

why is it false? and what difference if doctrine is false. doctrine is man made law and has proven time and time again to be inaccurate. doctrine used to claim the world was flat.

It claimed the world was spherical.

 

[jaybird88]

In the Septuagint, Genesis 6:4 has sons of GOD; in Job 1:6 it has angels of GOD. The bible you are quoting from is derived from the Masoretic Text, which is a Hebrew bible that was modified with Jewish traditions.

why does this matter "sons of God" or angels, both terms have same meaning. it sounds like your trying to create a problem when there is no problem.

i am pretty sure the Christians have more modified bible versions than the Jews.

 

[trofimus]

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew text.

That the translators of the Septuagint translated the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 and translated the same words as angels of God in Job 1:6 was a matter of interpretation on their part.

In the text, the words "sons / angels of God" were translated from the Hebrew words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm".

Septuagint was a precise translation of different hebrew source, which is lost now. Proved by the findings in Qumran. I think this is what she means. Opinion, that the (hebrew) source of Septuagint is more reliable than the massoretic texts edited by antichristian Jews.

 

[Chuckt]

why is it false? and what difference if doctrine is false. doctrine is man made law and has proven time and time again to be inaccurate. doctrine used to claim the world was flat.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The word "tent" means what? It means latitude and longitude as in hight which would indicate a sphere.

1. circle, circuit, compass
   
2. (BDB) vault (of the heavens)
   
   Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
   
   The Lexicon says, "a circle, sphere, used of the arch of or vault of the sky, Pro. 8:27; Job 22:14; of the world Isa. 40:22"
   Genseniu's Lexicon
   
   It is talking about a sphere.
   
   

 

[jaybird88]

It claimed the world was spherical.

you are correct i was thinking of copernicus being put under the inquisition for teaching the earth moves around the sun. which at the time was against the current doctrine, which proved to be wrong. the man made doctrine was wrong, not the word of our Lord.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I am not expert about this, but I have studied this for about over 150 hours over the years, and I personally find the evidence compelling that there were giants, and it was fallen angels.

The angels were not the giants (nephilim).

The offspring of the sons of God / daughters of men were the nephilim.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew text.

That the translators of the Septuagint translated the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 and translated the same words as angels of God in Job 1:6 was a matter of interpretation on their part.

In the text, the words "sons / angels of God" were translated from the Hebrew words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm".

Septuagint was a precise translation of different hebrew source, which is lost now. Proved by the findings in Qumran. I think this is what she means. Opinion, that the (hebrew) source of Septuagint is more reliable than the massoretic texts edited by antichristian Jews.

k. I read both Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6 in the Septuagint and just thought it was strange that the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" were translated differently in Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6.

It would be interesting to see the Hebrew text the Septuagint was translated from.


p.s. fyi, HeRoseFromTheDead is a "he".

 

[valiant]

Septuagint was a precise translation of different hebrew source, which is lost now. Proved by the findings in Qumran. I think this is what she means. Opinion, that the (hebrew) source of Septuagint is more reliable than the massoretic texts edited by antichristian Jews.

the Septuagint was translated over a long period of time, some parts translated well, some parts not so well, and it includes extra material, We do not have copies of the early translations which have been lost and were replaced by new translations

what we have is Christian 'translations' many centuries later.
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[trofimus]

the Septuagint was translated over a long period of time, some parts translated well, some parts not so well, and it includes extra material, We do not have copies of the early translations which have been lost and were replaced by new translations

what we have is Christian 'translations' many centuries later.
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Well, massoretic hebrew texts manuscripts are from 9th century, so Septuagint still wins

 

[tanakh]

Interesting possibility, but why would God go to all the trouble of wiping all the imperfection out but allowing it to continue with the introduction of impure blood line?

The other two theories I hold on to are: as they were spiritual beings they had ability to escape into another dimension and these fallen angels simply came back and picked up where they left off.

If Noah, his wife and their Sons were the only righteous people left on earth, then the Sons would have had to Marry women who were born from the rest of humanity, and may have inherited genes from Nephilim infected ancestors.
I would imagine that God would have prevented fallen Angels to pick up where they left off, especially when God promised Noah not to bring another flood on the earth. Anyway its a possible explanation.

 

[trofimus]

k. I read both Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6 in the Septuagint and just thought it was strange that the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" were translated differently in Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6.

It would be interesting to see the Hebrew text the Septuagint was translated from.


p.s. fyi, HeRoseFromTheDead is a "he".

Yes, it would be great if we would have it...
I think there are 2 possible explanations:
1. in the source LXX was translated from are different words in Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6
2. the translator of Job 1:6 was not literal, but translated the meaning

 

[Brainfreeze]

Whoever these "giant" men were and where they came from - they were no match for an 85 year old man of God named Caleb who went up and slew the giants that stood in the way of his inheritance.

Don't forget about a young David & his rock

 

[Depleted]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

Nephilim has been found four times in all the ancient literature ever discovered. Twice in the Bible. Once before the flood and once after.

The translation is tough because no one has spoken ancient Hebrew in thousands of years, so translators put on their best guess through the context. They came up with two definitions -- giants or fellers. (Nope. Don't know what a feller is either.)

So, it's either a giant or a feller.

No one will ever know what it really means, even if they were right with giant or feller.

BUT, I can give you my theory. There were other species of Man besides homo sapiens on earth at one time. We'll never know how many of them there were either, since science literally isn't an exact science when it comes to scientists' theories of how the earth came to be. But, we do know of one species enough to know that some of us (homo sapiens) have 2-4% of the DNA of this other species -- the Neanderthal. And they were big bulky people, so why couldn't they have been the giants?

Just a theory. It won't be confirmed any time soon.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

k. I read both Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6 in the Septuagint and just thought it was strange that the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" were translated differently in Gen 6:4 and Job 1:6.

It would be interesting to see the Hebrew text the Septuagint was translated from.

The word Masoretic is derived from the word masorah, which means tradition. The original Hebrew text was changed in numerous places to accommodate this tradition. The LXX isn't perfect, but it is a snapshot of the original Hebrew text in many places.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew text.

That the translators of the Septuagint translated the words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm" as sons of God in Genesis 6:4 and translated the same words as angels of God in Job 1:6 was a matter of interpretation on their part.

In the text, the words "sons / angels of God" were translated from the Hebrew words "bə-nê hā-’ĕ-lō-hîm".

It's far more likely that the Masoretes incorporated their tradition into Job 1:6 and changed the text to sons. This tradition is seen in the writings of Josephus, who lived centuries after the Septuagint's creation.

 

[Depleted]

Honestly don't have an answer but I think one of them works
in my place, he is nearly 7 foot tall and the top of his head almost brushes the top of
the panel when he is in the lift.

Im only 5' 1" so to me he looks like a giant

I don't know if he was maintenance or janitorial services but there was one guy walking down the halls in the VA hospital who was tall enough to be considered "tall" by basketball players. I'm 5'10" (oops 5' 9.5", I've shrunk 1.5" so far -- I used to be tall, but now I'm average), so I'm not used to not seeing over crowds yet and the first floor of the VA was always crowded. One time, I couldn't see in any direction because everyone around me was tall, including that guy, who was walking in front of me.

So, quiet, unassuming me said, "I feel like such a shrimp walking down these halls." (I really should learn to think to myself, instead of talk to myself. lol) The tall guy turned around to laugh, just as we were passing from one section to another, and ouch! He did hit his head on the top of the door frame.

 

[Depleted]

by oldhermit

I. The Disintegration of the God Culture and the Dominance of the Godless Culture, 1-12.

A. What was the cause? The marriage of two very diverse cultures.
1. Sons of God – the descendants of Seth
2. Daughters of men – the descendants of Cain.
Out of this union resulted a race the text refers to simply as the Nephilim.

B. Results – The abandonment of God.
1. Judgment is pronounced. God gives humanity 120 years until the destruction of the flood.
2. The rise of the Nephilim, 4. This is not necessarily causal since they were already in the land.
3. The collapse of moral ethics. There seems to be a progression of wickedness from verse three. Seems to be an undisclosed amount of time lapsed between verse 3 and verse 12. The heart is now only evil continually. Seems to be no redeeming value left.
4. God is heart-broken. Destruction of all life is pronounced, 7.
5. The earth is filled with violence.

C. God preserves the righteous remnant. God always sees and remembers the righteous, 8. In this, God tempers judgment with mercy.

But how does that explain that both Seth and Cain's descendants survived the flood? There were Nephilim after the flood.

And more important question -- they couldn't come up with an easier word to spell than Nephilim? (It's like Melchizedek all over again. The only way I can spell it right is letting spell checker handle my misspelling for me. lol)

 

[Depleted]

Re: Who is the Nephilim?

Jesus said we will be as the angels following the resurrection of all, not being given in marriage. Do you think that implies any gender? Do you think God really has a gender? Why would immortal, eternal spirit beings have need of such things? The flood was brought about by the state of men's hearts, being that they were evil. I tend to agree with the sons of God being of the line of Seth, and the daughters of men being from Cain's line. There are people alive today who are very tall. Robert Wadlow is now deceased, but he was almost nine feet tall.

Gen. 6
5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."



I don't know if this is going to work hopefully....have not figured out yet how to reply to people's comments so if it doesn't forgive me....but anyway 9 ft. tall i don't think would be enough to make the Israelites feel like grasshoppers do you? and also Magenta hi sister hope you are having a very good and blessed day!​

I can't help you with angels. I'm of the camp that doesn't believe Nephilim were angels. (And then I've never been interested enough in angels to study what the Bible says about them past my age old question of how some seem to know the Son of God sometimes means God and sometimes means an angel? But that's a different topic.)

 

[Depleted]

LOL. The union of the sons of Seth and the sons of Cain is conjecture but the union of angels and humans is not. LOL.

Hey, at least I'm consistent in what I believe. Not related to angels either. lol (Only mentioned because I had my own questions about what you believed. As for conjecture? I hope we're both in the "it's all conjecture" on Nephilim. We're just filling in on stuff we can't understand in our different ways, so it's not one of those things we should get terribly serious about.)