200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball Videobook By Eric Dubay

[posthuman]

I think a strong case can be made that the bible does suggest a theory of the world that is consistent with what Spherical is arguing for.

i don't think that position is defensible at all. it's completely built on a very narrow interpretation of Isaiah 40:22 that no one would consistently use to interpret any other scripture.
refutation of that premise has been made multiple times here but subsequently buried by the same irrational arguments spherical keeps re-posting even though those arguments have also been soundly refuted.

that the Lord looks down on the 'circle' of the earth is not a description of the geometry of the planet. it is a word that is only used twice in the scripture, here and in Proverbs 8:27, where it's translated as 'horizon'
the same root word is used only one other time, in Job 22:14, describing the Lord walking the 'circuit' or 'vault' of the heavens. the word, by all three contexts, does not refer to a geometrical form in particular (if it does, it also applies likewise to the heavens, not just the earth - so to be consistent one must adopt a view that the sky is also flat) - but the word refers to the 'compass' of a thing - the entirety of it, as being contained within.
stand anywhere on the earth and look all around you, and everything you see is 'encompassed' by a circle marked by the horizon. look at the spherical earth from a vantage point far above, and the entirety of it is encompassed within a circle marking its boundaries.

Isaiah 40:22 is simply saying that the Lord sits enthroned over the whole earth -- not that the Earth has a specific geometry.
why would God create a universe so entirely deceptive in which ALL EVIDENCE points to the earth being spherical, but one single verse by a particular twisted interpretation without regard for contextual or comparative meaning can in a far-out way be construed to think that the earth is a thin disc?
this is inconsistent with the God we read about in the whole of scripture -- who by His works makes known His eternal qualities. scripture does not describe a God who creates an earth that deceives us when we study it, but the idea that the earth is flat regardless of all evidence to the contrary implies this about God.

no, i disagree completely with your statement.
the Bible does not support a flat earth.
one very twisted, ignorant way of looking at a single scripture may indicate that. that's all.

 

[_nitro]

I love this thread

 

[downtime]

that's a good question. some youtube superhero should go there and film it. i assume what prevents this from happening is that the illuminati has military bases all over Antarctica keeping people away .. ?

Was hoping it was genetically modified penguins.

 

[PennEd]

I was going to say this is a silly question......

Anyway, Just how thick is this flat earth suppose to be? I mean if it's flat we could drill through it and make cool holes. No?

 

[Spherical]

I was going to say this is a silly question......

Anyway, Just how thick is this flat earth suppose to be? I mean if it's flat we could drill through it and make cool holes. No?

 

[Spherical]

The distance across the Irish Sea from the Isle of Man’s Douglas Harbor to Great Orm’s Head in North Wales is 60 miles. If the Earth was a globe then the surface of the water between them would form a 60 mile arc, the center towering 1944 feet higher than the coastlines at either end. It is well-known and easily verifiable, however, that on a clear day, from a modest altitude of 100 feet, the Great Orm’s Head is visible from Douglas Harbor. This would be completely impossible on a globe of 25,000 miles. Assuming the 100 foot altitude causes the horizon to appear approximately 13 miles off, the 47 miles remaining means the Welsh coastline should still fall an impossible 1472 feet below the line of sight!

 

[William86]

i don't think that position is defensible at all. it's completely built on a very narrow interpretation of Isaiah 40:22 that no one would consistently use to interpret any other scripture.
refutation of that premise has been made multiple times here but subsequently buried by the same irrational arguments spherical keeps re-posting even though those arguments have also been soundly refuted.

that the Lord looks down on the 'circle' of the earth is not a description of the geometry of the planet. it is a word that is only used twice in the scripture, here and in Proverbs 8:27, where it's translated as 'horizon'
the same root word is used only one other time, in Job 22:14, describing the Lord walking the 'circuit' or 'vault' of the heavens. the word, by all three contexts, does not refer to a geometrical form in particular (if it does, it also applies likewise to the heavens, not just the earth - so to be consistent one must adopt a view that the sky is also flat) - but the word refers to the 'compass' of a thing - the entirety of it, as being contained within.
stand anywhere on the earth and look all around you, and everything you see is 'encompassed' by a circle marked by the horizon. look at the spherical earth from a vantage point far above, and the entirety of it is encompassed within a circle marking its boundaries.

Isaiah 40:22 is simply saying that the Lord sits enthroned over the whole earth -- not that the Earth has a specific geometry.
why would God create a universe so entirely deceptive in which ALL EVIDENCE points to the earth being spherical, but one single verse by a particular twisted interpretation without regard for contextual or comparative meaning can in a far-out way be construed to think that the earth is a thin disc?
this is inconsistent with the God we read about in the whole of scripture -- who by His works makes known His eternal qualities. scripture does not describe a God who creates an earth that deceives us when we study it, but the idea that the earth is flat regardless of all evidence to the contrary implies this about God.

no, i disagree completely with your statement.
the Bible does not support a flat earth.
one very twisted, ignorant way of looking at a single scripture may indicate that. that's all.

If the entire argument were based on that specific word in that specific passage I would wholeheartedly agree with you because it is in no way clearly describing the earth as a flat circle. The arguments Spherical has offered here to support his ideas on biblical grounds are indeed very naiive and flawed, I don't dispute that at all. However, there have been many scholarly studies that suggest a close similarity between ancient jewish cosmogony and that of other religions around the time the bible was written. In any major theological seminary these ideas would be taught along with the support offered for them, not as an exclusive model of jewish cosmogony but as one common conclusion many serious scholars do accept. It would not be out of place in this time period and strong arguments have been presented. Can your position be argued for as well with good justification? I think that is also true, though I may not agree with your entire analysis I think it's a very reasonable conclusion as well.

 

[Oncefallen]

The distance across the Irish Sea from the Isle of Man’s Douglas Harbor to Great Orm’s Head in North Wales is 60 miles. If the Earth was a globe then the surface of the water between them would form a 60 mile arc, the center towering 1944 feet higher than the coastlines at either end.

I have no idea where you get 1944 feet at the center when the difference on the curve of the face of the globe would be about 40 feet over the total distance rather than the apex of the curve. The curvature of the earth is 8 inches per mile (that's 1 inch every 660 feet).

 

[William86]

I have no idea where you get 1944 feet at the center when the difference on the curve of the face of the globe would be about 40 feet over the total distance rather than the apex of the curve. The curvature of the earth is 8 inches per mile (that's 1 inch every 660 feet).

I can tell you where he is getting it, he is copying and pasting from flat earth websites.

 

[Spherical]

The Philadelphia skyline is clearly visible from Apple Pie Hill in the New Jersey Pine Barrens 40 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, factoring in the 205 foot elevation of Apple Pie Hill, the Philly skyline should remain well-hidden beyond 335 feet of curvature.

 

[psalm6819]

Spherical,You need to meet Herald and he can tell you about the earthquakes

 

[BeyondET]

Above photo and this place below

 

[Called4Christ]

Why is it so important for you to believe or convince others that the Earth is flat? What are you risking by believing that it is a globe? The bible does not support the literal interpretation of a flat Earth, but whether you believe the Earth is flat or round, all that should matter is that God is Almighty Creator, and that Christ is risen and Lord indeed.

The physical shape of the Earth shouldn't be a salvation issue and if it isn't a salvation issue and if it does not stir up a discussion to bring us closer to God, why debate it? Although I am more than convinced that the earth is a globe, no harm has come to me for it be it spiritually, emotionally, or physically.

 

[posthuman]

If the entire argument were based on that specific word in that specific passage I would wholeheartedly agree with you because it is in no way clearly describing the earth as a flat circle. The arguments Spherical has offered here to support his ideas on biblical grounds are indeed very naiive and flawed, I don't dispute that at all. However, there have been many scholarly studies that suggest a close similarity between ancient jewish cosmogony and that of other religions around the time the bible was written. In any major theological seminary these ideas would be taught along with the support offered for them, not as an exclusive model of jewish cosmogony but as one common conclusion many serious scholars do accept. It would not be out of place in this time period and strong arguments have been presented. Can your position be argued for as well with good justification? I think that is also true, though I may not agree with your entire analysis I think it's a very reasonable conclusion as well.

♥ love your attitude, BTW

well, that's an argument that the Israelites along with most of the people in the region had an incomplete understanding and view of the true topological nature of the earth & cosmos -- not that a strong argument for a flat earth can be made from scripture.
right?

unlike many pagan religions, the Bible itself doesn't present any kind of detailed description of the shape of the earth & the heavens. there are no scriptures describing it resting on atlas's shoulders or the back of a turtle, for example -- and it is well known from scripture that Israel prostituted itself to the gods of the surrounding peoples, mixing worship of God with the Baals, Ashtorehs, Molech and others -- and adopting their astrologies, beliefs and practices, being led astray by them into false beliefs and abominable practices. all this is during the time of the writing of much of the scripture. so talking about historical Jewish views of cosmology doesn't in any way necessarily correspond to a "correct" view of the universe's design; rather, it is very probable that their views historically are wrong, being highly influenced by the pagan nations around them and their idolatrous religions.
it would be like saying, the Jews are the people of God, OK, and we find pottery dating back to some Biblical eras in Israel that has inscriptions about Ashtoreh and Baal, so we conclude that the God of the Bible had a goddess wife Ashtoreh, and that He and Baal are the same God. well that's obviously baloney -- it's ignoring what the Bible actually says about Jewish history and about God Himself.
make sense?

so we have that the Bible doesn't support a flat earth view -- it is relatively completely silent on cosmology other than consistently referring to God "stretching out" the universe, and that He alone is the creator, & that He created it by His word.
and we have that historical Jewish views of cosmology are highly influenced by the pagan cultures around them -- not necessarily in any way reflecting knowledge from the One true God, whom the Biblical record says they rejected for much of their history.

i think we're still stuck at:

• the Bible doesn't actually teach flat earth.
• Jewish historical cosmology is basically pseudo-pagan cosmology.
• sphericals premise is nuts, unsupportable, unconvincing, and totally contradicted by all known science and observational evidence.

 

[Oncefallen]

The Philadelphia skyline is clearly visible from Apple Pie Hill in the New Jersey Pine Barrens 40 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, factoring in the 205 foot elevation of Apple Pie Hill, the Philly skyline should remain well-hidden beyond 335 feet of curvature.

I still don't know where you're getting your figures from since the curve over that distance would be about 26 ft 8 inches.

 

[Spherical]

The New York City skyline is clearly visible from Harriman State Park’s Bear Mountain 60 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, viewing from Bear Mountain’s 1,283 foot summit, the Pythagorean Theorem determining distance to the horizon being 1.23 times the square root of the height in feet, the NYC skyline should be invisible behind 170 feet of curved Earth.

 

[posthuman]

((( meanwhile, blah blah blah, all readily explained by looming and other atmospheric refraction effects. ))

 

[posthuman]

if the earth is flat, why can't i point my telescope toward nepal and see mount everest?

why can't we see europe by pointing telescopes across the atlantic ocean?

 

[Spherical]

if the earth is flat, why can't i point my telescope toward nepal and see mount everest?

why can't we see europe by pointing telescopes across the atlantic ocean?

WATER VAPOR & PERSPECTIVE.

 

[Spherical]

From Washington’s Rock in New Jersey, at just a 400 foot elevation, it is possible on a clear day to see the skylines of both New York and Philadelphia in opposite directions at the same time covering a total distance of 120 miles! If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, both of these skylines should be hidden behind over 800 feet of Earth’s curvature.