200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball Videobook By Eric Dubay

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Travel a straight line for a long enough distance. Turn 90 degree to the right and travel the same distance. Turn again 90 degrees to the right and travel the same distance. This will put you at the starting point. This isn't possible on a flat surface.9jsnF.jpg
 
ahaha, Spherical you made my day, you're so funny!
This is illarious. I'm a non believer, I'm not a christian. To see christians dreasonably destroy this ridiculous flat earth theory made my day.

Spherical you seem to trully believe and you are showing all the sign of having fallen into an intelectual black hole, which sucks you in and won't let you see the outside.
you seem to devote a lot of time to this and so maybe you will have time to read one book, not about flat earth, but about how we believe and why we believe and how we can be mistaken about believing things that are incorrect but seem true to us. If somebody needs to read this book, it's you. Now I don't think there is any point trying to refute all your videos, i just think you need to just think about what makes you believe and why, so if you are indeed correct as you believe, it won't hurt to read this book and analyse the way you think about flat earth theory. But it might also help you see why people so strongly disagree with you.

http://www.amazon.com/Believing-Bul...144695&sr=8-1&keywords=believing+bullshit+law

if you want I have the Epub file i can send it to you via personal message.
 
for all the others who argued with spherical, stop wasting your time, he will not be convinced or swayed by arguments, that's not the way it works. I just would like to point out that what you are doing with spherical, arguing logically, pointing to evidence and being reasonable, is what non believers do when arguing with christians about religion. we have the same frustration of seeing people sucked into believing something no matter what, and we, outsiders, see the flaws in the reasoning, see how the whole thing doesn't clicks, we point to the problems, we try to make them obvious, only believers just keep on believing, no mater what, just like Sherical does about his flat earth bullshit. so all of you on this thread who believe maybe in creationism, in the bible being the true word of God, in the second coming of Jesus being imminent, i urge you to see Spherical as a mirror image of yourself, try to apply the same reason and logic that you use for his ridiculous concepts to your own beliefs... anybody who rejects evolution for example is doing the same thing spherical is doing.
 
October 16, 1854 the Times newspaper reported the Queen’s visit to Great Grimsby from Hull recording they were able to see the 300 foot tall dock tower from 70 miles away. On a ball-Earth 25,000 miles in circumference, factoring their 10 foot elevation above the water and the tower’s 300 foot height, at 70 miles away the dock tower should have remained an entire 2,600 feet below the horizon.
 
Spherical said:
October 16, 1854 the Times newspaper reported the Queen’s visit to Great Grimsby from Hull recording they were able to see the 300 foot tall dock tower from 70 miles away. On a ball-Earth 25,000 miles in circumference, factoring their 10 foot elevation above the water and the tower’s 300 foot height, at 70 miles away the dock tower should have remained an entire 2,600 feet below the horizon.
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God save the queen.
 
Karaka said:
for all the others who argued with spherical, stop wasting your time, he will not be convinced or swayed by arguments, that's not the way it works. I just would like to point out that what you are doing with spherical, arguing logically, pointing to evidence and being reasonable, is what non believers do when arguing with christians about religion. we have the same frustration of seeing people sucked into believing something no matter what, and we, outsiders, see the flaws in the reasoning, see how the whole thing doesn't clicks, we point to the problems, we try to make them obvious, only believers just keep on believing, no mater what, just like Sherical does about his flat earth bullshit. so all of you on this thread who believe maybe in creationism, in the bible being the true word of God, in the second coming of Jesus being imminent, i urge you to see Spherical as a mirror image of yourself, try to apply the same reason and logic that you use for his ridiculous concepts to your own beliefs... anybody who rejects evolution for example is doing the same thing spherical is doing.
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So in other words, we should let him stay in errant belief while doing nothing whatsoever to try to reason with him? That feels a lot like leaving someone lost without so much as a single effort to point them to truth.
 
downtime said:
So in other words, we should let him stay in errant belief while doing nothing whatsoever to try to reason with him? That feels a lot like leaving someone lost without so much as a single effort to point them to truth.
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I think I am handling this very well. :)
 
Karaka said:
for all the others who argued with spherical, stop wasting your time, he will not be convinced or swayed by arguments, that's not the way it works. I just would like to point out that what you are doing with spherical, arguing logically, pointing to evidence and being reasonable, is what non believers do when arguing with christians about religion. we have the same frustration of seeing people sucked into believing something no matter what, and we, outsiders, see the flaws in the reasoning, see how the whole thing doesn't clicks, we point to the problems, we try to make them obvious, only believers just keep on believing, no mater what, just like Sherical does about his flat earth bullshit. so all of you on this thread who believe maybe in creationism, in the bible being the true word of God, in the second coming of Jesus being imminent, i urge you to see Spherical as a mirror image of yourself, try to apply the same reason and logic that you use for his ridiculous concepts to your own beliefs... anybody who rejects evolution for example is doing the same thing spherical is doing.
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You came here with your mind already made up. You mock our faith, say you're an agnostic, but then use an athiest's beliefs(ie: deny creation by God, affirms evolution, etc) as your defense. What a hypocrite.
 
downtime said:
So in other words, we should let him stay in errant belief while doing nothing whatsoever to try to reason with him? That feels a lot like leaving someone lost without so much as a single effort to point them to truth.
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well my point is that reason and logic and evidence won't work with him. he is taking anything you say to be either flat wrong(ahah sorry for the pun) or working his way. his problem is not that he hasn't seen the evidence or heard the arguments, the problem is the way he thinks. more evidence and arguments will not help him see he is wrong, what he needs is to reconsider why he believe and see the logical falacies and the bad reasoning he does to reach his conclusions. you need to attack his faith, not his evidence, if you want him to change his mind and see that the earth is not flat. that's why i find it ironic to see christians arguing with him, this is a mirror image of what happen when a scientist debate a creationist. do you see it?
 
roaringkitten said:
You came here with your mind already made up. You mock our faith, say you're an agnostic, but then use an athiest's beliefs(ie: deny creation by God, affirms evolution, etc) as your defense. What a hypocrite.
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I'm just saying that the way Spherical is arguing for a flat earth is exactly the way believers argue for creationism, same faulty reasoning, same problem. you see that Spherical is wrong and why, and yet you have adouble standard for yourself, you do not apply the same sound reasoning to the belief you hold yourself, or you would not be a creationist. it is the same thing, the earth is a sphere and evolution is a fact.
 
Karaka said:
well my point is that reason and logic and evidence won't work with him. he is taking anything you say to be either flat wrong(ahah sorry for the pun) or working his way. his problem is not that he hasn't seen the evidence or heard the arguments, the problem is the way he thinks. more evidence and arguments will not help him see he is wrong, what he needs is to reconsider why he believe and see the logical falacies and the bad reasoning he does to reach his conclusions. you need to attack his faith, not his evidence, if you want him to change his mind and see that the earth is not flat. that's why i find it ironic to see christians arguing with him, this is a mirror image of what happen when a scientist debate a creationist. do you see it?
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I suppose I do now. I haven't been a Christian for very long at all, so I apologize if I go about anything the wrong way.
 
anyway, i do not want a debate, i just thought it was interesting the way this was going...
you seem like a guy who can think, just apply the same critical thinking to christian beliefs such as creationism and you 'll see they are no different that Spherical's flat earth thing. the key is to analyse how you believe, how you know, epistemology... i recomended a book above, that's a good one to start, also a guy called michael shermer from the skeptic magazine, has written some very good, engaging and accesible books about all this, i heartily recomend reading his work to anybody.
 
Karaka said:
can i ask what did it for you, how you became a christian?
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Primarily apologetics. Two big contributing factors recently were reading J Warner Wallace's "Cold Case Christianity" and a debate I watched between Dan Barker and Kyle Butt.
 
downtime said:
Primarily apologetics. Two big contributing factors recently were reading J Warner Wallace's "Cold Case Christianity" and a debate I watched between Dan Barker and Kyle Butt.
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okay, i was more asking what point clicked for you, what argument you found convincing.

also can i ask how much you believe? say on a scale of 0 to 100, 0 is not at all and 100 is absolutely...
 
Karaka said:
okay, i was more asking what point clicked for you, what argument you found convincing.
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There wasn't one specific point or piece or argument that drew me in. It was the abundance of them I'd collected through researching my doubts.
 
I don't really think belief can be measured on a point scale like that. Its much more black and white than gray. One believes or one doubts.
 
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