VVhat is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?

[JustWhoIAm]

doing my best was a reference in how i study what Jesus taught. to me Jesus and what He taught is greater than salvation and only salvation, its a way of life. its not about putting my faith/life in Jesus and ending my walk there and going no further.

YES. This. So much this.

By default in the church today generally, the answer to whether or not we are saved lies in whether we A) Believe in the divinity of Christ and B) Accept the sacrifice he made to atone for our sins.

This is all well, good and dandy but there is so much more to the character of Christ and what we have to learn from him and his life about how to be a force for righteousness in a fallen world. SO MUCH.

How can we count on his divinity and sacrifice for our salvation and throw everything else he stood for out the window, then expect to be held blameless before the Father through him when the time comes?

He nailed it here:

Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”“Yes, Lord,” Peter replied, “you know I love you.”
“Then feed my lambs,” Jesus told him.
Jesus repeated the question: “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
“Yes, Lord,” Peter said, “you know I love you.”
“Then take care of my sheep,” Jesus said.
A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17)

HUH.

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you." (James 1:27)

“The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’No other commandment is greater than these.” (Mark 12:29-31)

How we can just nail a perfect man up there to atone for our sin then fail to put honest effort into standing for the things he stood for in life (Jesus is about life ultimately, not death) and then expect to be accepted by him is beyond me.

 

[garee]

where can i find a scripture that teaches this doctrine requirement for salvation?

The key is as Chuckt offered below.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a "rewarder" of them that diligently seek him.

The word "rewarder" gives us the understanding he is the one that sanctifies our ability to believe another other than our own self.. Like in the parable of the workers, all receiving one penny equivalent to salvation.

Strong’s lexicon...3406 misthapodotes {mis-thap-od-ot'-ace}
from 3409 and 591; TDNT - 4:695,599; n m
AV - rewarder 1; 1
1) one who pays wages, a rewarder


This helps us I believe understand that without his reward working in us no man could seek after Him who has no form because they have no understanding. He freely gives us His faith that works in us so that we can. Without that exclusive faith working in us it would be impossible to please Him. Pleasing ourselves is not pleasing God. he must do the first works before we can seek after Him.

The apostate Jew no faith) continually turned that upside down...... (shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?) Isaiah 29:16

Romans 3 along with the verse Chuckt offered works together to help our understanding of God so that we can seek after the rewarder of our faith that comes from hearing Him, which again is not of our own selves.

Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

The Psalms puts the “law of faith” that gives us His understanding all together beautifully, I believe. What is and what it does, apart from us performed in us...........again so that we can seek Him who has no form

Psa 19:7 -12 The law of the LORD is perfect, “converting the soul”: the testimony of the LORD is sure, “making wise the simple”. ..... (His understanding)

The statutes of the LORD are right, “rejoicing the heart”: the commandment of the LORD is pure, “enlightening the eyes”.

The fear of the LORD is clean, “enduring for ever”: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. “More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb”.

Moreover by them "Is thy servant warned”: and in keeping of them “there is great reward”.

Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

 

[garee]

He nailed it here:

Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”“Yes, Lord,” Peter replied, “you know I love you.”
“Then feed my lambs,” Jesus told him.
Jesus repeated the question: “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

“Yes, Lord,” Peter said, “you know I love you.”
“Then take care of my sheep,” Jesus said.
A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.”
Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17)

HUH.

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you." (James 1:27)

I would agree that feed my sheep) is part of the working out the salvation that we already have because we have entered His rest according to His work of faith as a labor of His love demonstrated at Calvary. We do not work to enter that rest... we work form it .it is finished.

Because Christ informs us without parables, using the interpreting principle found in 2Corinthians 4:18 below which is comparing that seen the temporal as a sign it give us the wonder that not seen the eternal (the faith principle). By it he spoke not to the multitude .Which is everyone that hears without discrimination.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Not to take away from the literal orphans and widows .he uses orphans as fatherless in respect to our heavenly father .the father of all spirits. And widows he uses to indicate those who do not have a spiritual relationship, with our bloody Christ . Which is indicated by the circumcision, a ceremonial law.

The verse you could say cares for two kinds. Those in Christ, of Christ and those we are offering the care in a hope we will be feeding the sheep as we bring the gospel for the desert according to the richness of his word . Like honey from the honeycomb.

The multitude, two kinds of people, two purposes for the parables....Those who did believe “have faith”, the generation of Christ. And those who “did not have faith”, the generation of Adam. Because in mixing faith in what they did hear God gives us, the believer the hidden spiritual meaning.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

I would agree that feed my sheep) is part of the working out the salvation that we already have because we have entered His rest according to His work of faith as a labor of His love demonstrated at Calvary. We do not work to enter that rest... we work form it .it is finished.

Because Christ informs us without parables, using the interpreting principle found in 2Corinthians 4:18 below which is comparing that seen the temporal as a sign it give us the wonder that not seen the eternal (the faith principle). By it he spoke not to the multitude .Which is everyone that hears without discrimination.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Not to take away from the literal orphans and widows .he uses orphans as fatherless in respect to our heavenly father .the father of all spirits. And widows he uses to indicate those who do not have a spiritual relationship, with our bloody Christ . Which is indicated by the circumcision, a ceremonial law.

The verse you could say cares for two kinds. Those in Christ, of Christ and those we are offering the care in a hope we will be feeding the sheep as we bring the gospel for the desert according to the richness of his word . Like honey from the honeycomb.

The multitude, two kinds of people, two purposes for the parables....Those who did believe “have faith”, the generation of Christ. And those who “did not have faith”, the generation of Adam. Because in mixing faith in what they did hear God gives us, the believer the hidden spiritual meaning.

There is absolutely no room for confusion or hidden meanings here. There is nothing whatsoever difficult to understand about caring for the oppressed and caring for your own out of a genuine love for goodness (God).

I think you may be overcomplicating the issue. Goodness is quite simple.

Quite a paradox the deceivers have going on in the "church" today. They're so bent on making the things of God work to their advantage for profit that they will make something as simple as a command to help your fellow man unselfishly out of an honest love for the things of the Lord into 10,000 things OTHER than what it actually said in plain english, making themselves look completely spiritually bankrupt in the process.

In reality, it doesn't get any more black and white than that.

 

[garee]

Originally Posted by jaybird88

no "doing the best" is one trying to stay humble not being afraid to admit they have much more to learn rather than act and say everyone is wrong unless they believe and interpret the scriptures the exact same way i do.

i believe Christ above the group accepted man made doctrines

The doctrines of men that come after the oral traditions as philosophies of men coming from the mouth of men, are Christ’s nemesis.

They provide the poison of asp’s, false doctrine .They do provide a faith, but not the kind that would please God. Rather they please the god of this world, the father of lies the serpent (yes).

The author of scripture, (no way) We measure faith according to his rod of measurement.His words from His mouth.

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Having the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ the lord of glory in respect to any man is simply to commit blasphemy of His Holy name/authority.

A couple of parables in respect to Christ nemesis.... The brood of vipers.

Poison throughout the scriptures represents the doctrines of men that if the believer takes in they will not believe the lie but rather look to Christ both the author and finisher of Christian faith..It is the same kind of poison the Serpent used in the garden to draw men away from Him not seen.

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Numbers below is compared to be bitten by false doctrine through, Satan the serpent the father of lies.While those who were given the faith of Christ looked and were saved. Those who did not trust the word of God perished. In both of those parables I believe we are given the spiritual understanding needed to trust the gospel, as it is written.

Numbers 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Note... brass is used to indicate judgement.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

The doctrines of men that come after the oral traditions as philosophies of men coming from the mouth of men, are Christ’s nemesis.

They provide the poison of asp’s, false doctrine .They do provide a faith, but not the kind that would please God. Rather they please the god of this world, the father of lies the serpent (yes).

The author of scripture, (no way) We measure faith according to his rod of measurement.His words from His mouth.

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Having the faith of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ the lord of glory in respect to any man is simply to commit blasphemy of His Holy name/authority.

A couple of parables in respect to Christ nemesis.... The brood of vipers.

Poison throughout the scriptures represents the doctrines of men that if the believer takes in they will not believe the lie but rather look to Christ both the author and finisher of Christian faith..It is the same kind of poison the Serpent used in the garden to draw men away from Him not seen.

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Numbers below is compared to be bitten by false doctrine through, Satan the serpent the father of lies.While those who were given the faith of Christ looked and were saved. Those who did not trust the word of God perished. In both of those parables I believe we are given the spiritual understanding needed to trust the gospel, as it is written.

Numbers 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Note... brass is used to indicate judgement.

Jesus was talking about the pharisees when he used the term "brood of vipers" - The people who were leading the church into feeding their egos and pocketbooks and away from God. They were using the idea of what was holy as a front to commit unholy acts, and Jesus rightfully called them out on it and refused to relent.

"The root of all evil is the love of money." Right, garee? That's hard scripture right there.

Brood of vipers... like the unholy roman catholic dominion we have going on today? Lulzi.

 

[jaybird88]

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

The word "he" is in italics (John 8:24) which means it isn't in the original. Unless you believe "I am" (Ego eimi), you shall die in your sins. So what is Jesus saying?

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus is saying He is the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14 that only applies to God.


This is the basic teaching. The teaching for the Trinity is also in scripture and who God is.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Acts 5:3-4 basically says the Holy Spirit is God.

Ephesians calls God our Father:

Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 Says the Word is God.

Colossians 2:9 says in him (Jesus) dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

There are a lot more verses but the Bible calls the Father God, the Son (Jesus) God, and the Holy Spirit God.

The Biblical term is the Godhead and the common term for this is the Trinity.

So when Hebrews says that those who come to him must believe that He is, who is He? Whom do you have to believe that He is?

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

sorry chuck but ur misunderstanding me. im talking about trinity for salvation. all that you posted is scripture on trinity it self. trinity cant be discussed, you can support it but it is highly forbidden to post any of the many scripture that question this doctrine.

 

[Chuckt]

You lost me.

 

[Bowman]

Wow I thought you was a muslim

I'm a Christian who happens to have studied the Koran in more depth than most anyone...and that scares people...so much so that they cast labels and run with it.

Remember how the Jews tried to say that Jesus cast out demons because He was evil Himself?

Ignorance is a dangerous thing...

 

[Bowman]

exactly and if the friend asks why Jesus or His Father never taught it just let him know its irreverent because man made doctrine overrules any of that.

Salvation through a Triune Creator is taught from Genesis to Revelation.

Its a non-negotiable.

Those that deny this fact, are scripturally ignorant...

 

[jaybird88]

Salvation through a Triune Creator is taught from Genesis to Revelation.

Its a non-negotiable.

Those that deny this fact, are scripturally ignorant...

Jesus never mentions it in His salvation teachings.

 

[redeemed2014]

Jesus never mentions it in His salvation teachings.

That is because the Lord Jesus came as the messiah for the Jews to be their King (Abrahamic Covenant). The Lord Jesus did not come to the gentile world and only had dealings with gentiles on a couple of occasions.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our like-ness:

Clearly in the first book of the Bible we are told that God is not singular but that God is a trinity.

Also the Lord Jesus did mention it in John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[RobbyEarl]

That is because the Lord Jesus came as the messiah for the Jews to be their King (Abrahamic Covenant). The Lord Jesus did not come to the gentile world and only had dealings with gentiles on a couple of occasions.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our like-ness:

Clearly in the first book of the Bible we are told that God is not singular but that God is a trinity.

Also the Lord Jesus did mention it in John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Genesis 18

17 And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18 since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him

 

[Bowman]

Jesus never mentions it in His salvation teachings.

He most certainly does.

Jesus frequently references OT Trinitarian passages.

 

[jaybird88]

That is because the Lord Jesus came as the messiah for the Jews to be their King (Abrahamic Covenant). The Lord Jesus did not come to the gentile world and only had dealings with gentiles on a couple of occasions.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our like-ness:

Clearly in the first book of the Bible we are told that God is not singular but that God is a trinity.

Also the Lord Jesus did mention it in John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

where i come from "our" is plural meaning more than one such as 2,3,4,5 . . . . . not 3 and only 3.

John 10:30 has a different meaning to many, but its not a trinity debate and not allowed here anyway.

however trinity belief for salvation im assuming would be allowed. and this is what we are discussing.

if this doctrine is required for salvation, where is it taught? its not that hard.

 

[jaybird88]

He most certainly does.

Jesus frequently references OT Trinitarian passages.

not as a salvation requirement.

 

[PurerInHeart]

I was a Christian before I learned that Jesus is Deity. I knew and believed He was God's Son. Example- Just like when a physical baby is born, and we don't expect them to immediately know math or how to drive a car, God does not expect us to know everything when we are born again- otherwise there would be no point for ' studying the scriptures daily to show thyself approved onto God'. However, we need to study in order to grow, and whatever does not grow dies. So if you do study, yet refuse to accept what you learn, or if you refuse to study so that you can't learn, then I'd say not accepting or even learning that Jesus is Deity could effect your salvation in that way.

 

[Chuckt]

not as a salvation requirement.

Salvation is equivalent to knowing God.

If you don't know who He is then can't it be said that you don't know Him?

If you don't want to know who He is then isn't that a rejection of God or Jesus?

I have corresponding verses to these statements.

King James Bible
Then the LORD (YHVH) rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD (YHVH) out of heaven;-Genesis 19:24

"From" in Genesis 19:24 indicates location and position. I can prove two people in the Trinity from the Old Testament. Who are they, Jaybird?

 

[jaybird88]

Salvation is equivalent to knowing God.

If you don't know who He is then can't it be said that you don't know Him?

If you don't want to know who He is then isn't that a rejection of God or Jesus?

"From" in Genesis 19:24 indicates location and position. I can prove two people in the Trinity from the Old Testament. Who are they, Jaybird?

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Should we study scripture and let The Lord reveal Himself as to who He is , or should we be told what to think by a council of man

 

[Bowman]

not as a salvation requirement.

Most definitely as a Salvation requirement.