Losing Salvation

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nowyouseem033 said:
LOL.. you quoted a scripture which says "Lord, Lord did we not cast out devils in your name, etc"

but you missed out what jesus reply was. "depart from me you workers of lawlessness, for I NEVER KNEW YOU"

notice Jesus didn't say I once knew you.. as if somehow that had salvation then lost it... No

Jesus says I NEVER KNEW YOU.. meaning they never had a relationship with God at ALL there whole lives
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Exactly, He is speaking of those who never knew the truth because they didn't study or accept truth. But He also speaks of those who DID know and accept truth, but then left it.
 
Teaching one can lose salvation is a mockery of how Christ washed us from our sins in his own blood. Such liars of the Word of God who say a blood bought saint can go to hell!
 
PurerInHeart said:
Grace is the gift of God, BUT He only gives that gift to those who obey Him.
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He gave us the gift of Jesus Christ while we were sinners...the righteous don't need grace

and our righteousness is filthy rags to Him
 
nowyouseem033 said:
lol treating salvation as if you can just hop in and out anytime you want.. gimme a break.
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Why then does the bible say to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Because we have to stay obedient to stay saved.
 
PurerInHeart said:
Thats not what the bible says. It says there are those who have tasted and known that God is good. They understood truth, but left that truth, and that they cannot come back- they WERE saved and lost their salvation.
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lol Hebrews 6 begins by saying IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who have once been enlightened to renew again repentance.

Please understand that this is what is known as hyperbole.
 
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KenAllan said:
IF we can lose our Salvation by sinning, then does this mean we need to be Re-baptized every time we lose our Salvation?

Notice i said IF.
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One does not lose salvation (being sealed by the Holy Spirit for salvation Eph 1:13) by sinning, one loses their salvation by giving themselves over to a life of sin without repentance. Choosing a life of sin wilfully...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
 
PurerInHeart said:
Why then does the bible say to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Because we have to stay obedient to stay saved.
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lol do you even read scripture..

continue to read that same scripture please... and stop taking scripture out of context.

"...work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU TO WILL..."
 
psalm6819 said:
He gave us the gift of Jesus Christ while we were sinners...the righteous don't need grace

and our righteousness is filthy rags to Him
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While we were YET sinners- implying before He takes our sins away. If it were the case that no one has to do anything, then why are some saved but most are not?
 
Persuaded said:
I pray you will stop trusting in self and place your trust on Jesus.
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My full trust is in Him- that IF I confess my sins and have fellowship with Him, that He is faithful to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.
 
nowyouseem033 said:
:) because the person who IS TRULY SAVED will continue and persevere until the end.

Why?? hmm because God through his spirit continues to gove you the needed strength to be able to perservere.

It is God who begins a good work and God who is faithful to complete it.
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Which is just another way of saying that those who persevere will be saved. And those who don't, won't.
 
nowyouseem033 said:
lol do you even read scripture..

continue to read that same scripture please... and stop taking scripture out of context.

"...work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is GOD WHO WORKS IN YOU TO WILL..."
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Yes, God will work in me IF I give effort. You cannot just kick your feet up, do nothing, and wait for salvation.
 
John146 said:
Great verse concerning the kingdom of heaven, but that verse is about the literal kingdom of Christ on earth, but the believer today is in the kingdom of God where we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. The KOH is the physical aspect of the kingdom promised to God's physical people Israel, and the Kingdom of God is the spiritual aspect of the kingdom in which the believer lives after the resurrection. Since the nation of Israel rejected their Messiah, the KOH has been postponed till the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Go away with your dispensational nonsense.
 
PurerInHeart said:
Exactly, He is speaking of those who never knew the truth because they didn't study or accept truth. But He also speaks of those who DID know and accept truth, but then left it.
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They left before Christ could be fully formed within them.

My children, for whom I am having birth pains again, until Christ is formed in you! Galatians 4:19​
 
PurerInHeart said:
While we were YET sinners- implying before He takes our sins away. If it were the case that no one has to do anything, then why are some saved but most are not?
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That's the point.

Salvation is not a picture of God on the shore throwing a life raft out to sea and then YOU exercising your will-power to swim over and grab onto the raft so that God can rescue you.LOL

Salvation is the more biblical picture of you being DEAD at the bottom of the ocean lifeless God instead of throwing a raft throws himself in the ocean goes to the depths and brings you too shore and breathes life into you.

C.H. Spurgeon
 
PurerInHeart said:
My full trust is in Him- that IF I confess my sins and have fellowship with Him, that He is faithful to cleanse me from all unrighteousness.
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Are you now saying you are without sin, that you obey 100%, that your flesh is under control at all time?
 
PurerInHeart said:
Yes, God will work in me IF I give effort. You cannot just kick your feet up, do nothing, and wait for salvation.
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lol read it again. it is GOD who works in you!!! do not EVER substitute you in place of God, lest you start thinking that your salvation is maintained by your works, and how good you are
 
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