Losing Salvation

[Pamella]

This is kind of a different look at it.
Ok. Someone, say, 22 yrs old accepts salvation, and God takes that person a short time later. Goes to heaven.

So another person accepts salvation at 22. God has lots of work for this person to do. Oooh, lots of fruit. So, this person loses there salvation at 50. Dies. Um, that is weird that God didn't give that first person chance to loose their salvation, but someone else lives many years with all that time that they might lose their salvation. Seems odd.

And then, one person FINALLY accepts salvation on their death bed. Goes to heaven.

That is a reason why I don't think people can lose their salvation.

 

[kaylagrl]

IF we can lose our Salvation by sinning, then does this mean we need to be Re-baptized every time we lose our Salvation?

Notice i said IF.

No one can loose their salvation but you can walk away from the Lord.It is a free gift to be accepted or rejected.

Luke -Jesus replied, "No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."


Matt.-18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:
19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”


Mark-Mark 13:13 says:
[Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”


John -1I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. 2He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, and every branch that does bear fruit, He prunes to make it even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me.5I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in Me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are gathered up, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, proving yourselves to be My disciples.

Hebrews -26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[PurerInHeart]

God counts not having faith the same as disobedience- that means we need to have faith.

 

[psychomom]

God counts not having faith the same as disobedience- that means we need to have faith.

where does faith come from?

see Eph 2

 

[PurerInHeart]

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perhaps we don't understand what adoption meant in the ancient world?

This is not a bible verse, it is a man's opinion.

 

[BeyondET]

To know the Lamb is to know the Lion for the Lion knows the Lamb.

 

[PurerInHeart]

where does faith come from?

see Eph 2

Faith comes by hearing the truth and choosing to believe it.

 

[Grace777x70]

This is kind of a different look at it.
Ok. Someone, say, 22 yrs old accepts salvation, and God takes that person a short time later. Goes to heaven.

So another person accepts salvation at 22. God has lots of work for this person to do. Oooh, lots of fruit. So, this person loses there salvation at 50. Dies. Um, that is weird that God didn't give that first person chance to loose their salvation, but someone else lives many years with all that time that they might lose their salvation. Seems odd.

And then, one person FINALLY accepts salvation on their death bed. Goes to heaven.

That is a reason why I don't think people can lose their salvation.

Amen...and of course there is the fact that it's Christ righteousness not ours that makes us in right standing with our Father. We are one spirit with Christ so He would have to lose His righteousness in order for us to lose our righteousness that is in Him only. This whole thing about losing salvation is based totally on works-based righteousness and mis-reading scriptures to suit a man-made doctrine.

 

[nowyouseem033]

IF I want chocolate I will have to buy it in order to get it. If is conditional- the condition is "I'll give you the chocolate IF you give me the money."

IF I want chocolate I will have to buy it in order to get it. If is conditional- the condition is "I'll give you the chocolate IF you give me the money."

gee I hope you don't do what you just did when it comes to the bible and Hebrews 6. A+ for mixing my words up around to say what I didn't say.

your right but notice the CONTEXT!!!!!!

"if" in its context can be used for either hypothetical or conditional. im saying according to Hebrews 6 the passage you brought up is HYPOTHETICAL not CONDITIONAL nor LITERAL.

again please understand biblical contextualization

 

[notuptome]

God counts not having faith the same as disobedience- that means we need to have faith.

Romans 10 says that faith comes from hearing and hearing the word of God. God provides any faith that we claim to have. It is Gods Holy Spirit creating faith not us engendering faith by our own determination.

Grace means that God supplies everything we require for salvation. All we are able to do is to choose to receive it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[nowyouseem033]

People just don't seem to understand that God only gives the gift of grace to those who obey Him. Nothing we could ever do could wash away even one sin, so it is not our obedience that saves- but God's grace. But we don't continue to receive it unless we continue to obey Him. HE says IF you confess your sins and have fellowship with Him then He will continue to cleanse you. How do people skidaddle right on over the word 'if'?

WOW really? God gives his gift to those who obey him.. hhmmmm God gave me salvation when I was mocking and spitting at him.

You are basically saying God helps those who help themselves LOL

 

[psychomom]

Faith comes by hearing the truth and choosing to believe it.

Eph 2:4-9

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[garee]

Can you show me where the law of grace is mentioned in scripture?

The grace we are saved by (Christ's) is not without the work of Christ.. No work, no grace as the reward to freely offer. That law is written in many ways but clearly seen in Ephesians. So it does require a work just not that of our own selves lest any man boast in false pride in respect to their own works. it is the gift of God

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[redeemed2014]

IF we can lose our Salvation by sinning, then does this mean we need to be Re-baptized every time we lose our Salvation?

Notice i said IF.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Once you have faith and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ not baptized, circumcised, or any other work under the law that you can do, you will be sealed and you will not lose your salvation. You may lose reward but you will be there.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[Grace777x70]

Mark-Mark 13:13 says:
[Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”


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I believe when you study this verse out in context you will find it is referring to the Jews in Jerusalem because of when Titus with the Roman army came and killed over 1 1/2 million Jews in 70 AD.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If a believer thinks that salvation can be lost............The believer has already walked away from the Lord Jesus Christ and no longer has an intimate SECURE relationship with the perfectly Honest God........

Rom 8~~38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

From what you've said in the past, not even apostasy can separate a person from GOD. Which translates into salvation by grace apart from faith.

 

[psychomom]

This is not a bible verse, it is a man's opinion.

lol true enough, but it's fully based in the Scriptures.

do you understand what adoption meant in the ancient world?

 

[PurerInHeart]

Eph 2:4-9

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Please read post #77

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

People just don't seem to understand that God only gives the gift of grace to those who obey Him. Nothing we could ever do could wash away even one sin, so it is not our obedience that saves- but God's grace. But we don't continue to receive it unless we continue to obey Him. HE says IF you confess your sins and have fellowship with Him then He will continue to cleanse you. How do people skidaddle right on over the word 'if'?

There are those who believe grace is their own personal possession which they can never lose because it is eternal. In other words, because GOD has given it to them, he can never take it away, no matter what they do.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Please read post #77

please read your bible in context and not just throw scriptures out there with no respect for what its saying. Again a gross misuse and abuse of the Word of God