Losing Salvation
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Good one...I heard that the "fourth" time you get saved..then it really takes for some unknown reason...
..Oh the foolishness of man always wanting to earn our righteousness instread of believing in what our Lord Jesus already did.
It's as if in some people's minds God is looking for ways to keep people from Him being with Him for eternity. His Son's life and death and resurrection is proof of His heart and love for us. It's all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone.
..Oh the foolishness of man always wanting to earn our righteousness instread of believing in what our Lord Jesus already did.It's as if in some people's minds God is looking for ways to keep people from Him being with Him for eternity. His Son's life and death and resurrection is proof of His heart and love for us. It's all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone.
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The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ- which the bible tells us of, so yes, the bible is the good news, the gospel, the information/instructions we need to be saved. But actually obeying the gospel is being baptized into Christ's death (Romans 6:3). IF we join Him in a His death, we will join Him in His resurrection, as long as we remain there till the end.
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don't know what bible your reading sister...
if God gives grace to those who obey then it ceases to be grace. Grace is unmerited favour given to the disobedient and undeserving. hence tthats why its grace!!!! but again if God gives grace to the obedient then I can attain grace by being obedient.
please don't tell me that in heaven your going to be thanking yourself for being obedient which enabled you to be given grace.. gimme a break.
grace is given to the disobedient SINNER. You CANNOT merit it through obedience
if God gives grace to those who obey then it ceases to be grace. Grace is unmerited favour given to the disobedient and undeserving. hence tthats why its grace!!!! but again if God gives grace to the obedient then I can attain grace by being obedient.
please don't tell me that in heaven your going to be thanking yourself for being obedient which enabled you to be given grace.. gimme a break.
grace is given to the disobedient SINNER. You CANNOT merit it through obedience
The gospel does not "demand" faith - it "supplies" it when we hear the gospel of the grace of Christ. Faith comes with hearing the good news.
Obedience stems from what Christ has already done so in essence it is not our own obedience independent of Him. It is Him that gives us faith to believe in what He has already done.
Obedience stems from what Christ has already done so in essence it is not our own obedience independent of Him. It is Him that gives us faith to believe in what He has already done.
It's not a rule book, it's a relationship.
To put it into perspective, when would a person know at what point (s)he had abused her/his spouse to the point that (s)he no longer wanted to have a relationship with him/her? Usually the abuser doesn't know until it's too late.
We're told to fear GOD for good reason.
To put it into perspective, when would a person know at what point (s)he had abused her/his spouse to the point that (s)he no longer wanted to have a relationship with him/her? Usually the abuser doesn't know until it's too late.
We're told to fear GOD for good reason.
I think this topic will be very vastly turn into the ole argument between those who say you can Lose your salvation and those who say you cannot lose your salvation.
I know where I stand on the topic however, I can provide scripture that could show why those on both sides believe what they say the bible speaks on the topic.
Then it will turn into attacks of you are false teacher, supporting heresies , etc....
But what each side cannot know is the heart of man or women
God is not mocked He knows who is HIS. That is why the scripture states Not everyone who says Lord ,Lord will enter in.
The hypotheticals question asked by many produce discord " can one walk away? When 100% of scripture shows us the God wants to save , has saved, and will continue to save. WE as Christians fight the air blindly with doctrinal stands but God will hold the believer accountable for what they have done after they came to know Jesus. Those who are not saved ARE JUDGED already John 3:17-18
So please study the word of God If you name Jesus as your Lord and Savior you are HIS if you are not His HE KNOWS! but nobody here including me has any say in your salvation Nor can we take it away.
I know where I stand on the topic however, I can provide scripture that could show why those on both sides believe what they say the bible speaks on the topic.
Then it will turn into attacks of you are false teacher, supporting heresies , etc....
But what each side cannot know is the heart of man or women
God is not mocked He knows who is HIS. That is why the scripture states Not everyone who says Lord ,Lord will enter in.
The hypotheticals question asked by many produce discord " can one walk away? When 100% of scripture shows us the God wants to save , has saved, and will continue to save. WE as Christians fight the air blindly with doctrinal stands but God will hold the believer accountable for what they have done after they came to know Jesus. Those who are not saved ARE JUDGED already John 3:17-18
So please study the word of God If you name Jesus as your Lord and Savior you are HIS if you are not His HE KNOWS! but nobody here including me has any say in your salvation Nor can we take it away.
Sound biblical disciplship requires us to search out the difference between salvation and sanctification. The Holy Spirit of God can only lead us into the truth. The Holy Spirit never leads away from Christ.
Scripture teaches that believers know if they are saved. Those that know would never consider going back to their prior state. If one does not know or if one considers getting unsaved to be a good thing well then they have serious issues between them and God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Good one...I heard that the "fourth" time you get saved..then it really takes for some unknown reason.....Oh the foolishness of man always wanting to earn our righteousness instread of believing in what our Lord Jesus already did.
It's as if in some people's minds God is looking for ways to keep people from Him being with Him for eternity. His Son's life and death and resurrection is proof of His heart and love for us. It's all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone.
..Oh the foolishness of man always wanting to earn our righteousness instread of believing in what our Lord Jesus already did.It's as if in some people's minds God is looking for ways to keep people from Him being with Him for eternity. His Son's life and death and resurrection is proof of His heart and love for us. It's all by grace through faith in Christ's work alone.
nor have I heard of God looking for ways to keep people away from him. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this statement..
God's love that works in us is not passive . there is nothing we can do that could separate us from His grace in regard to his work of faith. if we have freely received it.
We can deny him in unbelief or what you call apostasy as did the apostles on many occasions. But he cannot deny he has paid the whole wage of sin .We are saved by His grace and called to repent by the same grace through His faithful work .
Without him we can do nothing. Again if he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it to the end.
It would seem you are not mixing faith in what we do hear from the word of God but rather trying to it work it out according to the flesh..
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot "deny himself".
569 apisteo {ap-is-teh'-o}
from 571; TDNT - 6:174,849; v
AV - believe not 7; 7
1) to betray a trust, be unfaithful 2) to have no belief, disbelieve
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We can deny him in unbelief or what you call apostasy as did the apostles on many occasions. But he cannot deny he has paid the whole wage of sin .We are saved by His grace and called to repent by the same grace through His faithful work .
Without him we can do nothing. Again if he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish it to the end.
It would seem you are not mixing faith in what we do hear from the word of God but rather trying to it work it out according to the flesh..
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot "deny himself".
569 apisteo {ap-is-teh'-o}
from 571; TDNT - 6:174,849; v
AV - believe not 7; 7
1) to betray a trust, be unfaithful 2) to have no belief, disbelieve
. .
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that is very Good !!!!
But I was looking for something else Rom 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it IS the POWER! of God unto Salvation to everyone that Believeth. To the Jew first, and also to the greek. verse 17 FOR therein ( the gospel) IS the righteousness of GOD revealed from faith to faith: AS it is written the Just shall live by faith." Kjv
You cannot get to baptism without hearing the Gospel message this IS the POWER GOD uses to save people as it states in Rom 1:16
So when one hears the gospel which is the power God uses to save those who are lost the message of the Gospel which is Christ enables them to be come saved. We are mandated to Preach Christ to the lost which is the power or is PWERFUL enough to save them.
But I was looking for something else
Rom 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it IS the POWER! of God unto Salvation to everyone that Believeth. To the Jew first, and also to the greek. verse 17 FOR therein ( the gospel) IS the righteousness of GOD revealed from faith to faith: AS it is written the Just shall live by faith." KjvYou cannot get to baptism without hearing the Gospel message this IS the POWER GOD uses to save people as it states in Rom 1:16
So when one hears the gospel which is the power God uses to save those who are lost the message of the Gospel which is Christ enables them to be come saved. We are mandated to Preach Christ to the lost which is the power or is PWERFUL enough to save them.
No, faith in the gospel is obedience.
Now to the one who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that had been kept secret for eternal ages, but now has been revealed, and through the prophetic scriptures has been made known according to the command of the eternal God, resulting in obedience of faith to all the Gentiles, Romans 16:25-26
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