Unborning Eternal Life

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Jesus said, except you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.
The blood of Jesus is the truth of the gospel.
The blood of Jesus IS the Holy Ghost.
One drinks His blood when they believe, agree with, and receive the truth of the gospel.
When one rejects the truth of God's word, they reject the Holy Ghost, which is the seed whereby we are sealed.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Again, can two walk together except they be agreed?
Yes, eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the Roman Catholic false doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of life was blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.
 
Oops, there it is. That eternal life that isn't eternal. An oxymoron if ever there was one.

If ETERNAL life is not eternal. than I wonder what they think it is?

Why do people want to twist Gods words. I will never understand.
 
Yes, eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the Roman Catholic false doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of life was blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.


You would think catholics and some protestants who still follow than stuff would get the point.

Jesus said never die, Never hunger, never thirst

Jesus said live forever, has eternal life, will be risen on the last day.

the words never and eternal must mean nothing to them.

Communion, the euchartist, or whatever word you call it. never promises or assures anyone any of the things jesus promised in John 6. So how could it be the same flesh and blood? It can't
 
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If ETERNAL life is not eternal. than I wonder what they think it is?

Why do people want to twist Gods words. I will never understand.


Come on EG.."eternal life " means "only if you do something to maintain what you were given freely by grace through faith."...you must "earn" your eternal life by what you do.

It doesn't matter that the Lord Himself says He gives it to you because you believe in Him...:rolleyes:..
 

Come on EG.."eternal life " means "only if you do something to maintain what you were given freely by grace through faith."...you must "earn" your eternal life by what you do.

It doesn't matter that the Lord Himself says He gives it to you because you believe in Him...:rolleyes:..

I would call that conditional life, or temporary life. not eternal life..


Maybe God messed up and used the wrong term when he used the word "eternal"?
 
Yes, eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the Roman Catholic false doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of life was blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

I didn't get into the flesh part, but since you mentioned it, I must say that you got it wrong when you said, “He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread”.
Take a look at the verse below.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Notice what hunger is associated with.
Those who come to Jesus, right?
Suffice it to say, those who come to Jesus with their heart, will never hunger because they ate the flesh of Jesus.
And what is thirst associated with?
Those who believe.
So those who believe with their heart, drink the blood of Jesus, which is the Word of God, which is the Holy Ghost, which is the power of God, and in so doing, will never thirst.
Like I said earlier, the blood of Jesus is the living word of God, the Holy Ghost.
Cometh = eating the flesh/bread = never hunger.
Believeth = drinking blood = never thirst.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The bible plainly states that we are born again by the word of God, which God refers to as a seed, and the seed is a spirit of and from the Holy Spirit.
The reason why our righteousness is not our own and why God's grace abounds toward us, is because a spirit of and from both Jesus and the Holy Ghost abides in us.
They abide in us because we agreed with, believed, and received Jesus and God's truth/word.
So long as we KEEP the truth, we keep the Son, but if we reject the truth of the gospel, we in essence, reject the Son.

1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.


Keep in mind that Jesus IS the Word of God.
Also keep in mind that He IS the Truth.
Yes, we have eternal life, because we believe the gospel. But when we stop believing and even reject the truth, the word dies. The parable of the sower that sowed seed on a rock. They believed for a while. But when tribulations and persecutions came because of the word, they were offended and fell away from the truth. Jesus said the seed died.
Again, we have life BECAUSE we have the word of God abiding in us. When we reject that word, and deny its truth, we deny Jesus.

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 
I didn't get into the flesh part, but since you mentioned it, I must say that you got it wrong when you said, “He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread”.

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).

How can you do one without the other and still have eternal life/be raised up at the last day if "He who believes" in Christ is not equivalent to "he who eats this bread?"

Are you implying that there are people out there who believe in Him/have everlasting life/will be raised up at the last day that did not eat His flesh and drink His blood? OR that there are people out there who eat His flesh and drink His blood/have eternal life/will be raised up at the last day but did not believe in Him? :eek:

Take a look at the verse below.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Are you implying there are people out there who come to Jesus and shall never hunger but they don't believe in Him? OR there are people out there who believe on Him and shall never thirst but they never came to Jesus and will continue to hunger? :eek:

Notice what hunger is associated with.
Those who come to Jesus, right?
Do we come to Jesus in unbelief and never hunger but remain thirsty? That doesn't make sense. What does it mean to come to Jesus?

Suffice it to say, those who come to Jesus with their heart, will never hunger because they ate the flesh of Jesus.
You believe that such a person literally ate the flesh of Jesus? Cannibalism?

And what is thirst associated with?
Those who believe.
So those who come to Jesus and will never hunger don't believe and those who believe and will never thirst will remain hungry? :eek:

So those who believe with their heart, drink the blood of Jesus, which is the Word of God, which is the Holy Ghost, which is the power of God, and in so doing, will never thirst.
As I said earlier:

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of life was blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.

Like I said earlier, the blood of Jesus is the living word of God, the Holy Ghost.
Cometh = eating the flesh/bread = never hunger.
Believeth = drinking blood = never thirst.
So you turn Cometh/Believeth; eating the flesh/drinking blood into two separate requirements for salvation? Do you believe there are people who eat the flesh but don't drink blood or vise versa and won't be saved or will still be saved? How does that align with John 6:54,58? It sounds like you are making this out to be more complicated than it really is.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise. So those who believe the gospel did or did not eat His flesh and drink His blood and receive eternal life and will be raised up at the last day?

The bible plainly states that we are born again by the word of God, which God refers to as a seed, and the seed is a spirit of and from the Holy Spirit.
The reason why our righteousness is not our own and why God's grace abounds toward us, is because a spirit of and from both Jesus and the Holy Ghost abides in us.
They abide in us because we agreed with, believed, and received Jesus and God's truth/word.
Did those who are born again eat His flesh and drink His blood or some did and some didn't but will be saved anyway?

So long as we KEEP the truth, we keep the Son, but if we reject the truth of the gospel, we in essence, reject the Son.
Are believers kept by the power of God or by our own strength? (1 Peter 1:5)

1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Keep in mind that Jesus IS the Word of God.
Also keep in mind that He IS the Truth.
Jesus IS the Living Word and He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Yes, we have eternal life, because we believe the gospel.
So if those who believe the gospel are saved/believes in Me will have everlasting life/eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, the you can't have one without the other.

But when we stop believing and even reject the truth, the word dies.
Stop truly believing or belief was never firmly rooted and established from the start? Which explains why it withered away.

The parable of the sower that sowed seed on a rock. They believed for a while. But when tribulations and persecutions came because of the word, they were offended and fell away from the truth. Jesus said the seed died.
In regards to the parable of the sower, receiving the word with joy (emotional response) and believing (in a shallow way) does not result in salvation. Even though this shallow ground hearer is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved?" First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was "not good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. People who "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a good and honest heart, and having no root do not experience real salvation. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root.." Problem from the start. Temporary shallow belief that was not firmly rooted or established from the start "has no root" represents rocky soil. Then we see the results of this. Temporary shallow belief, no root, lacks moisture, no fruit, withers away.

John has portrayed people as "believing" who are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of genuine or consummated belief resulting in salvation." See John 2:23-25 (where their "belief" is clearly superficial in nature); John 8:31,40,45-46 (where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin [v. 34], indifferent to Jesus’ word [v. 37], children of the devil [v. 44], liars [v. 55], setting out to stone the one they have professed to believe in (v. 59).

Again, we have life BECAUSE we have the word of God abiding in us. When we reject that word, and deny its truth, we deny Jesus.
Rejecting His word and denying it's truth is descriptive of unbelievers, not believers.

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
The broader context of this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples spoke about Him in every city they visited. We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like these Pharisees do on every occasion they get), I will deny him before my Father in heaven. Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him for salvation. Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him. The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Him three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:21-23, but lack saving faith) will be denied by Christ before the Father.