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Where in the bible does God inform us that the Earth has an axis? Why do you believe Earth has an axis?
200 Proofs Earth Is Not A Spinning Ball Videobook By Eric Dubay
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even the deceit you follow has three axes:
one is fixed; two are arbitrary.
but ((for one example)) wherever the Bible mentions north, south, east or west, it's implying an axis.
you do know what an axis is, right?
Because, of course, according to you the southern hemisphere doesn't exist. My point is, instead of sitting behind the computer listening to others tell you about the world, you need to go out and see the world for yourself. Then maybe you'll understand better just what God has created.
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Just pointing out your *belief* in Earth having an axis is not scientific, nor biblical.
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Your maths is wrong. Minimum height of an object to be observed over the horizon (on a globe) varies proportional to the distance from the observer squared, not the distance from the observer. Distance to the Horizon Calculator
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You believe in minutes and seconds of time but that's not in the bible nor scientific. Explain these measurement of time??
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In Joshua 10:13
do you believe the sun moves around the earth or the earth around the sun??
i believe the sun is stationary and the solar planets rotate around the sun.
Sigma Octantis is claimed to be a Southern central pole star similar to Polaris, around which the Southern hemisphere stars all rotate around the opposite direction. Unlike Polaris, however, Sigma Octantis can NOT be seen simultaneously from every point along the same latitude, it is NOT central but allegedly 1 degree off-center, it is NOT motionless, and in fact cannot be seen at all using publicly available telescopes! There is legitimate speculation regarding whether Sigma Octantis even exists. Either way, the direction in which stars move overhead is based on perspective and the exact direction you’re facing, not which hemisphere you are in.
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Does God say the sun stood still, or the Earth? (-: I believe in the bible - "the sun stood still, and the moon stayed", Joshua 10:13. If you read about the "Airy's failure" experiment or the Michelson Morley experiment, you will find science supports the Earth is still, also. We can also argue about how we define and measure time, if you explain how it is relevant to this thread.
"Either way, the direction in which stars move overhead is based on perspective and the exact direction you’re facing, not which hemisphere you are in."
HYPOTHETICALLY, if you were wrong about this, would that make any difference to you?
It seems to me that when one is looking "up" the rotation of the stars appears clockwise or counter-clockwise. Whether one is facing East, North, West, or South, the stars will rotate in the same direction because one is still looking "up".
Sphere, you are promoting deception. Are you doing it intentionally, or are you really unable to imagine the possibility that you can be mistaken on occasion?
HYPOTHETICALLY, if you were wrong about this, would that make any difference to you?
It seems to me that when one is looking "up" the rotation of the stars appears clockwise or counter-clockwise. Whether one is facing East, North, West, or South, the stars will rotate in the same direction because one is still looking "up".
Sphere, you are promoting deception. Are you doing it intentionally, or are you really unable to imagine the possibility that you can be mistaken on occasion?
Some heliocentrists have tried to suggest that the Pole Star’s gradual declination overhead as an observer travels southwards is proof of a globular Earth. Far from it, the declination of the Pole Star or any other object is simply a result of the Law of Perspective on plane (flat) surfaces. The Law of Perspective dictates that the angle and height at which an object is seen diminishes the farther one recedes from the object, until at a certain point the line of sight and the seemingly uprising surface of the Earth converges to a vanishing point (i.e. the horizon line) beyond which the object is invisible. In the ball-Earth model the horizon is claimed to be the curvature of the Earth, whereas in reality, the horizon is known to be simply the vanishing line of perspective based on the strength of your eyes, instruments, weather and altitude.
You have only YOUR OPINION about Genesis on your side. That is the problem.
Is there any possibility in your mind that you can be mistaken about your OPINION of what the original author was referring to when he wrote the passages you rely upon?
Are you claiming to be infallible in your understanding, or do you really know the truth but have some personal or political agenda in continuing to argue about this non-sense?
Is there any possibility in your mind that you can be mistaken about your OPINION of what the original author was referring to when he wrote the passages you rely upon?
Are you claiming to be infallible in your understanding, or do you really know the truth but have some personal or political agenda in continuing to argue about this non-sense?
You said you have Genesis on your side and then you follow up with a "scientific" claim. Science and logic disprove you on all accounts. Your only argument is what you imagine the Bible to say.
You have made that claim countless times. Throwing random anecdotes where you think science kind of supports your imagination has no value.
If you were to approach this "scientifically" you would be willing to at least honestly evaluate alternative explanations of the phenomena of the world around you. (This also requires humility to admit the possibility that one might be wrong.)
Please, Sphere, are you willing to consider the possibility that you can be mistaken about how you understand certain Bible passages, or do you consider yourself infallible?
You have made that claim countless times. Throwing random anecdotes where you think science kind of supports your imagination has no value.
If you were to approach this "scientifically" you would be willing to at least honestly evaluate alternative explanations of the phenomena of the world around you. (This also requires humility to admit the possibility that one might be wrong.)
Please, Sphere, are you willing to consider the possibility that you can be mistaken about how you understand certain Bible passages, or do you consider yourself infallible?
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If the earth is flat how do GPS units work?
It seems insane to claim that GPS units do not work or that the 24 satellites that provide the radio signals are not really in orbit around the earth.
It seems insane to me to conclude that since I think a Bible verse means something the author did not intend it to mean, that MY OPINION of that Bible verse proves all science and technology cannot be used to tell me the shape of the world I live on.
It seems insane to claim that GPS units do not work or that the 24 satellites that provide the radio signals are not really in orbit around the earth.
It seems insane to me to conclude that since I think a Bible verse means something the author did not intend it to mean, that MY OPINION of that Bible verse proves all science and technology cannot be used to tell me the shape of the world I live on.
When I was in high school, my psychology class took a field trip to a mental hospital. We were told how to best communicate with the people being treated there. Some could understand the things we were saying and others just gyrated or would try to bang their heads against a wall. Some would mumble things we could not understand. They explained the various levels of mental illness. How there are people suffering from psychosis who lived somewhat normal lives, apart from living under numerous delusions. I truly believe you and several others are trying to help Spherical realize he is living in a false reality. That he is detached from logic and reason and is purposely choosing to embrace a false reality. It brings him satisfaction, perhaps even happiness. He understands it has cost him the ability to have personal relationships. He came here and stated his wife had left him. I don't know what it takes to help people like Spherical. Does he prefer negative attention to no attention at all? What is it he longs for? What hope is there for him to restore what he once possessed, assuming he was not always like this?
I read that doctors have found that cell phones and computers are beneficial in treating mentally ill people. They seem to enjoy using the devices. Perhaps their is also a downside, when they use computers to spend all their waking hours online viewing things that cause them to live in an alternate world of fantasy and conspiracy. I wish this site had a couple of good physicians who know what the best treatment is for people like Spherical, and could advise all of us how to best respond to his rants.
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