Why dealing with an atheist is futile.

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JackTheHatter

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I am atheist. I used to be born again. but my experience is the christens I knew were selfish.they did nothing because it was a right thing to do, because they had too. christens ask, where do atheist get there morality? for me. I believe in the rule of law. also I respect my fellow man. and would never say or do something I didn't want done to me. some will say I got that from the bible.but I'm different I care about people because I want to live on a good plannet where people do for others, simply to make this a better place.i was at church awhile back. and there was a women who was a member. but her husband was in the hospital with cancer. and our church had sixty thousand dollars. I thought the church should help. but this is what the pastor said. I wont give money from the collections. that is the churches money. and I wont ask for a special collection either. my jaw was already on the floor. and then if u people want to give that's up too you.jesus said follow me and god will provide. I thought it was the churches job to help this women. then I realized christens are very selfish. they do nothing wiyhout something in return. whatever that may be. that was the moment I knew I was better then that and that I was atheist
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Thats a good reason to be against that particular church. It's not a good reason to be against Christians. There are so many Christians out there who work very hard to help and support others. I would think twice before making a blanket statement about all Christians that pertains to individual personality like that. We atheists fight against that all the time when people assume we are "angry with god" which ever god that may be. Furthermore, I would suggest reading the bible critically and looking into other religions, this helped me come to atheism. My atheism is not due to a bad experience but rather a rational analysis of the theistic claims. You might find this approach quite 'Enlightening'..... Hehe I'm so clever :p
 
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Altair-786

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JackTheHatter said:
Thats a good reason to be against that particular church. It's not a good reason to be against Christians. There are so many Christians out there who work very hard to help and support others. I would think twice before making a blanket statement about all Christians that pertains to individual personality like that. We atheists fight against that all the time when people assume we are "angry with god" which ever god that may be. Furthermore, I would suggest reading the bible critically and looking into other religions, this helped me come to atheism. My atheism is not due to a bad experience but rather a rational analysis of the theistic claims. You might find this approach quite 'Enlightening'..... Hehe I'm so clever :p
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i agree with u
 
JesusLives

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I say as long as there is breath in someone there is hope. We are not called to deal with Atheists we are called to love our fellow men. It is our job to love them and spread the good news of the gospel it is Holy Spirits job to convict and convince of sin and repentance and acceptance of Jesus. We are told to go and spread the gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people that includes Atheists.....
 
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JesusLives said:
I say as long as there is breath in someone there is hope. We are not called to deal with Atheists we are called to love our fellow men. It is our job to love them and spread the good news of the gospel it is Holy Spirits job to convict and convince of sin and repentance and acceptance of Jesus. We are told to go and spread the gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people that includes Atheists.....
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It is hard to do sometimes, but I guess we must try to look at every man and women as some mother's child. This is because Jesus died for them and He came to heal the sick, and not the healthy.
 
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If you can't win a debate with them, they might actually be right.
Have you ever thought of that?
And the indoctrination argument isn't that good, I prefer the "other religions" argument.
No offense, by the way. Just saying.
 
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Your title should be more along the lines of " debate is futile" .. you put a cap on God when you say certain groups are impossible to reach. You make Him look to be weak, when in fact He has all knowledge and does reach those who others have said to be unreachable.. God knows the heart of why they claim what they claim.. Not all oppose for the same reason.. wisdom is needed.. Always...
 
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RobbyEarl

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Atheist love their sin and will go to extravagant heights to justify it and some Christians will as well.
 
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IMO once a person has become a true atheist they will immediately reject faith,because they want physical proof.

Faith Is not based on what can be perceived with the fleshly mind but faith Is based on belief and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD.

Once they have become a true atheist they will not listen unless they can perceive with sense knowledge.

IMO people that say they were atheist,were not true atheist but they were really agnostic.
 
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RobbyEarl

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Most atheist used to Christian, But something went wrong and destroyed their faith. The death of a young child or spouse or mother or losing everything. They can't accept that God would allow something like that.
 
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RobbyEarl said:
Most atheist used to Christian, But something went wrong and destroyed their faith. The death of a young child or spouse or mother or losing everything. They can't accept that God would allow something like that.
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Exactly!!! I was going to chime in on this thread. But Robby seems to have it handled. :) I'll just read along for a bit.
 
MsSuzanna

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HisHolly said:
Your title should be more along the lines of " debate is futile" .. you put a cap on God when you say certain groups are impossible to reach. You make Him look to be weak, when in fact He has all knowledge and does reach those who others have said to be unreachable.. God knows the heart of why they claim what they claim.. Not all oppose for the same reason.. wisdom is needed.. Always...
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We as christians must base our opinions on Gods word. Atheist have been told the gospel . They have hearts of stone. They refuse to believe the obvious in creation. We explain twice and then we shake the dust off.



Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it to them.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Matthew 10:14And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words.

Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
 
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RobbyEarl said:
Most atheist used to Christian, But something went wrong and destroyed their faith. The death of a young child or spouse or mother or losing everything. They can't accept that God would allow something like that.
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They were never IN CHRIST .
1John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us. 20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.…

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
 
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MsSuzanna said:
They were never IN CHRIST .
1John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us. 20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.…

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
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I wont refute everything you said... However, have you ever read up on the lives of most of the lead Atheist? They all have one thing in common..... Look at their childhood....
 
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RobbyEarl

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MsSuzanna said:
They were never IN CHRIST .
1John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But their departure made it clear that none of them belonged to us. 20You, however, have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.…

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.
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I hate to tell you because I know it messes up your theology, but I have known and still know people that once loved God and served him, but some tragedy happened and they blamed god for it and refuse to listen and will not hear anything about God and say they are now atheist.
 
MsSuzanna

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RobbyEarl said:
I hate to tell you because I know it messes up your theology, but I have known and still know people that once loved God and served him, but some tragedy happened and they blamed god for it and refuse to listen and will not hear anything about God and say they are now atheist.
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They never knew HIM. You either believe Gods word or you lean on your own understanding. You were DUPED. We all know people who claim to be christians in the church and turn the other way. Its not anything new.Its been happening since Jesus time. Gods word stands!
 
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RobbyEarl

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MsSuzanna said:
They never knew HIM. You either believe Gods word or you lean on your own understanding. You were DUPED. We all know people who claim to be christians in the church and turn the other way. Its not anything new.Its been happening since Jesus time. Gods word stands!
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I admire your zeal, but we do not have the privilege of knowing peoples hearts and therefore cannot make a judgement as to whether they knew Him or not. Judas walked and taught and cast out demons and laid hands and healed the sick
 
Sirk

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The best testimony you have is how you make others feel when they are around you.
 
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RobbyEarl

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The best testimony you have is how you make others feel when they are around you.
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I don't mean to sound rude, but making people feel good is not always a good testimony. The best testimony is relaying what God has done for you. False Prophets make people feel good, Jesus made people mad, so much so that they wanted to kill Him.
 
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RobbyEarl said:
I don't mean to sound rude, but making people feel good is not always a good testimony. The best testimony is relaying what God has done for you. False Prophets make people feel good, Jesus made people mad, so much so that they wanted to kill Him.
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Ya but were not talking about religious high and mighty holier than thou people whose souls stink to high heaven in their false righteousness. We're talking about people who are broken by those types of people.
 
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RobbyEarl

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Ya but were not talking about religious high and mighty holier than thou people whose souls stink to high heaven in their false righteousness. We're talking about people who are broken by those types of people.
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Do you make an atheist feel good?
 
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