Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?
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Amen. Some tend to think of justice as a negative word. Justice is what happens when God has pity on the poor hapless victims. Could one imagine a Heaven where God made those poor little Jewish children spend eternity with their unrepentant tormentors just because He lacked the intestinal fortitude to cast them into the lake of fire? Their worm dieth not, the fire will not be quenched. God hears the voices of the victims when they cry out. The accounts will be settled in the end. God has been more than gracious by offering them an escape route: the blood of His Son.
With all due respect, what I got was religious dogma that you regurgitated and serve with a single minded unquestioning rock headedness. If you think that I haven't studied my bible that I carry with me wherever I go...you're just flat wrong. And Jesus was mortal....if He was immortal He wouldn't have died. By all intents and purposes He didn't become immortal until he was raised from the dead.
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I agree,,,also other places in the pacific area human experiments, including many more millions after that war in other places. it was horrendous all the wars in human conflict just horrible and still is its raging around the earth today.
I've learned awhile ago about in the Roman era rule conquest a group of people rebelled and got pushed back captured and placed on a crucifix little distance away from each other some 5000 along a road back to the main city and these never were removed until the wood rotted away. back in history this was a Roman message to the people this is what happens now that concept is still around today. not many debates on stuff like what you mentioned..
I've learned awhile ago about in the Roman era rule conquest a group of people rebelled and got pushed back captured and placed on a crucifix little distance away from each other some 5000 along a road back to the main city and these never were removed until the wood rotted away. back in history this was a Roman message to the people this is what happens now that concept is still around today. not many debates on stuff like what you mentioned..
1 Pet. 3:18-20,
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water."
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It is different thread or discussion rather than this one. But, Jesus went and preached to the captive that were in Paradise as Satan had the right to keep them there. What did Jesus say to thief on the cross "today you will be with me in Paradise". All who lived in OT times were there and Jesus released them taking the keys from Satan.
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That in itself would make a good thread for discussion. I don't pretend to have an answer for that. There is Scripture pertaining to it, but I can't recall the reference at the moment.
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John 20:17“Do not cling to Me, Jesus said, “For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”
I think the answer is no since Jesus talking to Mary said the above.
I got this because it was simply faster! Yep! Copied and pasted. I hope this helps.
Our Lord yielded His spirit to the Father, died physically, and entered paradise (Luke 23:43). At some time between His death and resurrection, Jesus also visited a place where He delivered a message to spirit beings (probably fallen angels; see Jude 1:6); these beings were somehow related to the period before the flood in Noah’s time (1 Peter 3:20). Peter does not tell us what Jesus proclaimed to the imprisoned spirits, but it could not be a message of redemption since angels cannot be saved (Hebrews 2:16). It was probably a declaration of victory over Satan and his hosts (1 Peter 3:22; Colossians 2:15). Ephesians 4:8–10 also seems to give a clue regarding Jesus’ activities in the time between His death and resurrection. Quoting Psalm 68:18, Paul says about Christ, “when he ascended on high, he took many captives” (Ephesians 4:8). The ESV puts it that Christ “led a host of captives.” The reference seems to be that, in paradise, Jesus gathered all the redeemed who were there and took them to their permanent dwelling in heaven.
All this to say, the Bible isn’t entirely clear what exactly Christ did for the three days between His death and resurrection. From what we can tell, though, He comforted the departed saints and brought them to their eternal home, and He proclaimed His victory over the fallen angels who are kept in prison. What we can know for sure is that Jesus was not giving anyone a second chance for salvation; we face judgment after death (Hebrews 9:27), not a second chance. Also, He was not suffering in hell; His work of redemption was finished on the cross (John 19:30).
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Our Lord yielded His spirit to the Father, died physically, and entered paradise (Luke 23:43). At some time between His death and resurrection, Jesus also visited a place where He delivered a message to spirit beings (probably fallen angels; see Jude 1:6); these beings were somehow related to the period before the flood in Noah’s time (1 Peter 3:20). Peter does not tell us what Jesus proclaimed to the imprisoned spirits, but it could not be a message of redemption since angels cannot be saved (Hebrews 2:16). It was probably a declaration of victory over Satan and his hosts (1 Peter 3:22; Colossians 2:15). Ephesians 4:8–10 also seems to give a clue regarding Jesus’ activities in the time between His death and resurrection. Quoting Psalm 68:18, Paul says about Christ, “when he ascended on high, he took many captives” (Ephesians 4:8). The ESV puts it that Christ “led a host of captives.” The reference seems to be that, in paradise, Jesus gathered all the redeemed who were there and took them to their permanent dwelling in heaven.
All this to say, the Bible isn’t entirely clear what exactly Christ did for the three days between His death and resurrection. From what we can tell, though, He comforted the departed saints and brought them to their eternal home, and He proclaimed His victory over the fallen angels who are kept in prison. What we can know for sure is that Jesus was not giving anyone a second chance for salvation; we face judgment after death (Hebrews 9:27), not a second chance. Also, He was not suffering in hell; His work of redemption was finished on the cross (John 19:30).
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I wonder what Christ "proclaimed" to the spirits there? Notice it says that these spirits were once disobedient so that could not be the saints of the OT because they were talking about the ones in Noah's day.
That word "proclaim" means to "preach" the gospel. Here is an example of Jesus using the exact same word.
Matthew 4:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
BTW - the word "now" in 1 Peter 3:19 is not in the Greek..the translators added it - I wonder if they did that because of their "doctrine" that they believed when they translated this verse?
I wonder if they wanted people to believe those spirits are still there after Jesus preached the gospel to them which is why they added "now" to the text? - inquiring minds want to know...
That word "proclaim" means to "preach" the gospel. Here is an example of Jesus using the exact same word.
Matthew 4:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.
BTW - the word "now" in 1 Peter 3:19 is not in the Greek..the translators added it - I wonder if they did that because of their "doctrine" that they believed when they translated this verse?
I wonder if they wanted people to believe those spirits are still there after Jesus preached the gospel to them which is why they added "now" to the text? - inquiring minds want to know...
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Jesus was the perfect sacrifice body and soul.
Both His physical body and His Spirit are immortal.
Jesus would still be alive today if not for His sacrifice.
He was born of Mary and the Holy Spirit, perfect in every way, and in God's eyes.
Who could kill Him? Nobody.
Jesus GAVE up His physical body on the cross, still perfect, but carrying the "marks" of the sins of men on His body, and the sins of men on His soul.
His soul went to "paradise" , Lk 16:19-31,
Preached to those who were prisoners of sin until Jesus' sacrifice paid the price for sin. 1 Pet 3:19-20
When He rose from the dead, He brought with Him a "host of captives"(NAS), and "ascended up far above all heavens"(KJV).
His perfect body was in the grave until Jesus rose from paradise, where He took it up again.
This body was again, Mary and the Holy Spirit, God and Man.
Jesus was the perfect sacrifice body and soul.
Both His physical body and His Spirit are immortal.
Jesus would still be alive today if not for His sacrifice.
He was born of Mary and the Holy Spirit, perfect in every way, and in God's eyes.
Who could kill Him? Nobody.
Jesus GAVE up His physical body on the cross, still perfect, but carrying the "marks" of the sins of men on His body, and the sins of men on His soul.
His soul went to "paradise" , Lk 16:19-31,
Preached to those who were prisoners of sin until Jesus' sacrifice paid the price for sin. 1 Pet 3:19-20
When He rose from the dead, He brought with Him a "host of captives"(NAS), and "ascended up far above all heavens"(KJV).
His perfect body was in the grave until Jesus rose from paradise, where He took it up again.
This body was again, Mary and the Holy Spirit, God and Man.