Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[MsSuzanna]

The reality is that Willie is a pretty reasonable guy. We had a dust up quite some time ago and we solved it like God fearing men and it garnered a lot of respect in me for him. It takes two to tango and maybe it might be wise for you to be obedient and humble to the laws of human interaction that Jesus established and practice what you preach. Just saying.

It may behoove you to learn what is actually going on before you chime in. Just sayin..

 

[Sirk]

It may behoove you to learn what is actually going on before you chime in. Just sayin..

Does it matter "what is going on". You seem to like Paul.....wasn't it him who said that as far as you are concerned to be at peace with all men?

 

[Willie-T]

The reality is that Willie is a pretty reasonable guy. We had a dust up quite some time ago and we solved it like God fearing men and it garnered a lot of respect in me for him. It takes two to tango and maybe it might be wise for you to be obedient and humble to the laws of human interaction that Jesus established and practice what you preach. Just saying.

Thanks, Kris.

 

[MsSuzanna]

This is the rules of the Kingdom Conflict being talked about. The angels back in Noahs day were messing with the genetics of humanity. That is a no no. So those fallen angels are already in hell. God has set boundaries for satan and the fallen angels in the Kingdom conflict. If they cross those boundaries God will lock them up. They are only allowed to operate in certain perimeters with mankind. If they cross them God locks em up.

Satan knows this, so he sends his minions to do the dirty work.

We see an example of this when Jesus sends legion into the pigs. It is not allowed in the kingdom conflict for many demons to posses an individual. They are tormented before their time, because they broke the rules.

Fallen angels are of spiritual estate. They werent messing with the genetics. Jesus sent the legion into the pigs because it was not their time yet and they said that to him.

 

[Willie-T]

It may behoove you to learn what is actually going on before you chime in. Just sayin..

"What is going on" is that I called you for your verbal bush-whacking of two innocent employees, and you had too much pride to simply say you might have gone over board... so you have been trying to defend your actions ever since.

 

[MsSuzanna]

No,I didn't give the same answer. If the Bible is up to everyones interpretation then there is no truth. The truth is the Word. The Holy Spirit guides us as we read and pray. The Bible is absolute truth or it is not. It is possible to be in "one accord" as they were in the NT. If we have the mind of Christ and let the Holy Spirit lead we will come to the same conclusion.


2Pet. 1:19 So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.
2Pet. 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
2Pet. 1:21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Here have an explanation as to why the divide. It is those tossed to and fro and cannot discern the truth. They follow after the joels of the day. They have not Gods discernment.

2Tim 4:3
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

 

[MsSuzanna]

"What is going on" is that I called you for your verbal bush-whacking of two innocent employees, and you had too much pride to simply say you might have gone over board... so you have been trying to defend your actions ever since.

wow. What does God say about holding on to offenses:
Leviticus 19:18
“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.”

 

[kaylagrl]

*sigh* (I'll repeat it.) "Scripture", not Prophecy.
I have never said a single word about interpreting prophecy.

Quit grasping for straws, and admit that if you say a verse means one thing, and someone else says it means something else... and both of you are sitting there swearing you are being led by the Holy Spirit, then to BOTH of you, the truth is ONLY your own interpretation, NOT the way the other person sees it.

You are a hoot... the way you will scrap at the drop of a hat. LOL

Its not about scraping Willie, its about the truth. If we have the mind of Christ we wont have 102938338222 interpretations on a given verse of Scripture. It doesn't matter if you think you're right or I think Im right there HAS to be the right answer!! So we need to pray until the Holy Spirit guides us to the truth. We cant ALL be right in our opinions whether prophesy or Scripture.

 

[Willie-T]

Here have an explanation as to why the divide. It is those tossed to and fro and cannot discern the truth. They follow after the joels of the day. They have not Gods discernment.

2Tim 4:3
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

But, have you noticed that it is never the other person that we feel has discernment? It is ALWAYS just US, not them.

 

[Gr8grace]

Fallen angels are of spiritual estate. They werent messing with the genetics. Jesus sent the legion into the pigs because it was not their time yet and they said that to him.

You may catch up at some point. Keep studying.

 

[kaylagrl]

The reality is that Willie is a pretty reasonable guy. We had a dust up quite some time ago and we solved it like God fearing men and it garnered a lot of respect in me for him. It takes two to tango and maybe it might be wise for you to be obedient and humble to the laws of human interaction that Jesus established and practice what you preach. Just saying.

Ya Willie and I had a dust up a while ago too. Then he apologized and I thought it was over. But it seems we're headed back to the same situation again. Not because thats the way I wanted to go.

 

[fredoheaven]

@MsSuzanna

A Question
To all who believe that God will torment people eternally.

Would you torture anyone.
Likely not.

So what you are in effect saying is that...
God is unrighteous, and you are more righteous than he is, which is a Lie.

Jesus said
You are of your father, the devil,
and your will is to do your father's desires. - John 8:44

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That's all I have to say here
Carry On and enjoy the parade...
While it lasts.

By all means, it is your post that goes all wrong, you see scriptures says "torment" but not "torture" and even finding fault about God. You haven't bit consider that God's attribute will not contradict each other. His love, mercy, goodness and grace does not in anyway opposed His justice and righteousness. Another thing in your post, that goes into gross error when you said and I quote:"Would you torture anyone." Of course, I don't have that capacity to that, either God wouldn't do it. He will just "punish" unbelieving sinners and condemned them eternally to Hell. That's just and fair.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Willie-T]

Its not about scraping Willie, its about the truth. If we have the mind of Christ we wont have 102938338222 interpretations on a given verse of Scripture. It doesn't matter if you think you're right or I think Im right there HAS to be the right answer!! So we need to pray until the Holy Spirit guides us to the truth. We cant ALL be right in our opinions whether prophesy or Scripture.

Yes, we can. Because God may have you read verse x and see y...... because He may have plans for you to do "THIS."
And He may have me read the same verse, and see z...... because He may have plans for me to do "THAT."

 

[Sirk]

Ya Willie and I had a dust up a while ago too. Then he apologized and I thought it was over. But it seems we're headed back to the same situation again. Not because thats the way I wanted to go.

I don't think Willie does either....Satan sure does tho.

 

[MsSuzanna]

But, have you noticed that it is never the other person that we feel has discernment? It is ALWAYS just US, not them.

Well I garner my opinion from audacious things people say. Remember your post on satan reading your mind? Thats just one thing you have said that isnt biblical. I made a warranted assertion.

Hey willie, Im gonna iggy you. Id rather not continue with this diatribe

May the Lord bless you!

 

[oyster67]

How are you supposed to know Gods boundaries and consequences ? Besides the thing with the thing with the pigs makes no sense to me. Please break that apart

God has given us many resources and tools to find the truth with. I'm glad you are seeking to grow and know more. The first that comes to mind is to ask the Holy Spirit to guide you as you study God's Word. Find wise elders who teach sound doctrine. They WILL agree on the most important things concerning Salvation and the role Jesus blood plays in it. All true seekers shall find if they persevere. God has promised this.

 

[fredoheaven]

It is most CERTAINLY a parable. (and NOT one about people going to Hell)

Scripture tell us that the rich man as well as Lazarus, goes to hell, how about that?

 

[Willie-T]

wow. What does God say about holding on to offenses:
Leviticus 19:18
“Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.”

That was Hillary's line when questioned about her shameful part in Bengasi........ "Why talk about that now, it's over."

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes, we can. Because God may have you read verse x and see y...... because He may have plans for you to do "THIS."
And He may have me read the same verse, and see z...... because He may have plans for me to do "THAT."

You're giving me a headache. God may show you something that will touch your heart in a different way than it touches me. But our interpretations of the same verse should not diametrically oppose each other. Its not possible.

 

[kaylagrl]

I don't think Willie does either....Satan sure does tho.

Well Id sure love to get on better footing. Seems an ugly spirit is going through CC. Im having issues with people I never had before. Its very frustrating.