things that we are used to, we think is a good thing.have u learn how to listen to Gods voice in silence,have u learn how to mourn when u are full of joy,or how to find the sweetness in the bitterness,have u learned how to rejoice in sadness,i know this are not logical thing for our human reactions,but u know that the scripture says it too,because if u learn to love God way beyond your human understanding u will learn how not to question God for what he is doing,because u trust him and know that he is doing the best for u,i know that anybody can taste a candy and say is sweet,or distinguish between dark and light,but do u think it is written in vane that he is the God that call things that are not, like if they were.that is y sometimes we ask God whats going on and that is because he works as he wishes.pride before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall,this mean that before u get one thing u need to go through the other first and this for both ways this for humiliation and for honor.
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Yeah I think some people are attracted to the Logical for security and find the emotional/spiritual faith oriented things unreliable and unstable. I tend to have more security in the logical/explainable unfortunately. As for questioning God.. Oh man he has got to shut off his ringer and text messaging when it comes to me.
You said "the God that call things that are not, like if they were." and what i got out of it was...Man I will come riding in on my high horse and say yeah..this is gonna be GREAT I get it...because it is Logical and because I have been taught it in the world.. and it is so secure and no one can challenge me on it. Then right in front of me it is smashed and I am like WHAT? That was totally the right answer..then become confused. And that is when I look at him and say ok I will shut up.. What now? But yeah he has to beat the attention out of me at times. Is there a thing called Spiritual ADD?
You said "the God that call things that are not, like if they were." and what i got out of it was...Man I will come riding in on my high horse and say yeah..this is gonna be GREAT I get it...because it is Logical and because I have been taught it in the world.. and it is so secure and no one can challenge me on it. Then right in front of me it is smashed and I am like WHAT? That was totally the right answer..then become confused. And that is when I look at him and say ok I will shut up.. What now? But yeah he has to beat the attention out of me at times. Is there a thing called Spiritual ADD?
Is there a way for me to be better?is there a cure for my illness?is there hope in God?if so how can`t i see it or why can`t i get it?is like saying God if u are good y is there so much evil on earth,is like saying if u are my father y u let me suffer this much?or y i get to suffer things that others don`t?this is what i got from those questions,God says if u see all other things in a logical y can`t u see this in a logical way?love suffers long and is kind,love does not envy,love does not parade itself,is not puffed up,does not have rudely,does not seek its own,is not provoked,thinks no evil,does not rejoice in iniquity,but rejoice in truth;bears all things,believes all things hopes all things and endures all things.i see people struggle,in there faith in God,and is not for what they o what they don`t faith is a gift,whether there are tongues they will cease,weather there is knowledge it will vanish away,for we know in part and we prophesy in part.but which is perfect has come then that which is in part will be done away.if logical is so secure y in ends turn out to be the opposite,what u were taught in the world, it should be safe,it turns not to be safe,logical does not come from,logical come from human understanding which limit us to belief in Gods power,because we can
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I wanted to quote once again "weather there is knowledge it will vanish away"... I am seeing the impermanence of many things that I once heavily relied on and latched on to. Maybe there are so many changes going on to show that if you ride on the sea of chaos it will eventually knock you overboard and drown you. It is no surprise to me that Jonah's resistance to God's direction sent him off into chaos, only to once again put him in a position to completely surrender to the Lord. I unfortunately became like a trained dog of knowledge in the world and when I leave it I often have run back into it (like the sea). The Lord has had to catch me when I am present with him. Like is said... spiritual ADD.
Your writing is a little hard to read for me
. I get what your saying though, and think it is a good thought. I agree with it.i understand what u are saying shanay,when u said that u often run back into the see to end up doing what God wants, how come u have not done anything about it,i don`t understand y u like to see yourself into such a sea o chaos,which put u in a position to completely surrender to the lord,is it something that u want that makes u act like Jonah sometimes,because Jonah told y he did not want to go and prophesy to that city,have u asked yourself if there is anything that u like about the way God works.i think there is something that push to act this way.and about my writting i apologize,that unfurtunally i don`t writte inglish pretty well,i wish i could, so i could express my thoughts with the right words,but even if i could speack perfect inglish,i don`t think we speak the same lenguage, logical for me is not.is all just a need because i`m on earth,and God tell us to obey the rules of this earth,because it is written you live in the world,but u are not from the world. why do u think Paul says,for now we see in a mirror,dimly,but then face to face,now i know in part,but then i shall know just as i also am known.Is not the same,just to see a cake and say after u look at it,i belief that it is got to be good,than litterally taste the cake and say it does taste good.this is just a parable peaple out there testify yeah this cake taste good and they have never taste it,the thing here is not only to take a look at the cake and go out there and say it taste good just because,someone told u,it does,is got to be u who taste it and than give testimony of that.that is why some people give testimony,of what other people have experience and learn from them,but that does not count,is like saying a soldier that never went to war got medal of honor just by listening to what other said and he claims that he deserve it because he knows what happen in war with out going to war.the point of u to hear things, is that u wish those things and such experiences in christ to become true.there is a big difference between faith and knowing.
Gnosticism: a religious orientation advocating gnosis as the way to release a person's spiritual element; considered heresy by Christian churches
Gnosis: intuitive knowledge of spiritual truths; said to have been possessed by ancient Gnostics
If someone asked me if I listened to the calling of my heart, to my feelings and allowed myself to be led by the Spirit by these feelings rather than using logic I would have to say, "No." I use the Scriptures and I use logic to interpret what the Scriptures say. Gnosticism is illogical, my friends, and God is a rational God. I would like to say that if any spirit leads you by feelings and these feelings lead you away from what the Scriptures say then this spirit is probably not the Holy Spirit.
Gnosis: intuitive knowledge of spiritual truths; said to have been possessed by ancient Gnostics
If someone asked me if I listened to the calling of my heart, to my feelings and allowed myself to be led by the Spirit by these feelings rather than using logic I would have to say, "No." I use the Scriptures and I use logic to interpret what the Scriptures say. Gnosticism is illogical, my friends, and God is a rational God. I would like to say that if any spirit leads you by feelings and these feelings lead you away from what the Scriptures say then this spirit is probably not the Holy Spirit.
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This is what I always thought, but I get confused when people start talking about what God tells us to do... HOW does he speak to us? I've learned not to listen to random thoughts and emotions, because separating your own thoughts is nearly impossible to separate from God speaking, especially in situations that aren't clear black-and-white.
Does he speak to you through obvious God-inspired changes in circumstances? For example, my grandma died a few years ago, in 2006. At her funeral, an old friend of my mom was there, and I met my mom's friend's daughter. She has been be girlfriend for the past 3 years, and I love her very much. I have NO doubt that this was God's doing, and that, had I not met my girlfriend, there was a girl who was my neighbor back at home who I would have made some bad decisions with.
Or does he speak through his word and ONLY through his word? Does this include taking specific phrasing and finding your own personal meanings in them, or is it supposed to be taken as a whole?
It's a broad, confusing topic... And I've settled on the middle one, even though EVERYONE I talk to says it's more of the first... But I don't buy into that, and it makes me think something is wrong with me or my relationship with God =(
Does he speak to you through obvious God-inspired changes in circumstances? For example, my grandma died a few years ago, in 2006. At her funeral, an old friend of my mom was there, and I met my mom's friend's daughter. She has been be girlfriend for the past 3 years, and I love her very much. I have NO doubt that this was God's doing, and that, had I not met my girlfriend, there was a girl who was my neighbor back at home who I would have made some bad decisions with.
Or does he speak through his word and ONLY through his word? Does this include taking specific phrasing and finding your own personal meanings in them, or is it supposed to be taken as a whole?
It's a broad, confusing topic... And I've settled on the middle one, even though EVERYONE I talk to says it's more of the first... But I don't buy into that, and it makes me think something is wrong with me or my relationship with God =(
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Nothing is wrong with you Vidy. You have an open relationship with the Holy Spirit; you allow Him to speak to you and work through you, and you give Him the honor for that relationship. I wish more Christians out there would be more open minded to their Father's Spirit. We become so afraid of being deceived that we place all spiritual ideas in these simplified little boxes, including God, and then we become stagnant in our fear. Remain faithful to the God of Abraham through the Salvation of His Son, Jesus Christ, and all will be well.
When I say that we should use logic when reading the Scriptures I don't mean to downplay spirituality. I believe spirits are very real and interact with this world on a daily basis. Some might say that there's no evidence of the spiritual or supernatural, but everyone has their own stories to tell which is evidence enough for them. I believe in speaking in tongues, prophecies, miracles, etc. but I think we should be careful not to start relying upon our feelings as being the guiding hand of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit may lead us, but I don't think the Bible ever says he leads by emotion or intuition, especially when interpreting the Scriptures.
first Do u know who is the wholy spirit?how he manifest himself to us?the thing here is that people who reads the bible using the logical is not the way to get true meaning of the word that are written in the scriptures.because logical is what keep us away from god that means your own knowledge because u think thats the way is supposed to be,is like u are telling God how is supposed to be because it is written.why do u think religious leaders crusified Jesus?because they thought they knew where he was supposed to come from and it was written where he was supposed to come from but they use their knowledge enstead of faith,and far beyond that we know it was ment to like that.you are in process of beleif in what u hear or what u understan,so if u are still in the flesh the thing of the flesh u speak and if are from the spirit the things of the spirit u speak,that if u speak in a logical way your human understanding speaks,but if u speak in supernatural way your spirit speaks,that what faith is for not for natural thing but for supernatural thing,and if u knew that there is human faith and spiritual faith u would know what im talking about but i know this that faith is a gift that comes from God the one who also says he wants worshipers in spirit and truth.
The Holy Spirit leads me to believe that we should use logic when reading the Scriptures. The fact that God is a rational being and that we're made in his image I take on faith. So I'm not sure where your spirit or your faith is leading you, but it's not the same place God has led me. Could you expound as to why you believe we should use our fleshy feelings to decide what is right from wrong instead of God's Word? Would you like to give me Scripture passages or would you rather claim that the Spirit of God has led you contrary to his Scriptures?
if u think i`m talking about feelings or emotions your misunderstand what im writting,how do u hear the voive of God when he speks to u,how do u know if it is the spirit leading u if u don`t know him,i know this passege in the scriptures that by wisdom the world never knew God.now u are saying that the spirit is leading me contrary to the scriptures,i belief that was said to Jesus too,about the sabbath,what did the pharisees said,why are u doing to what is not lawfull to do on the sabbath?but i know this passege also,and it souds familiar to u because i belief u have a lot of knowledge of the scriptures,how we speak wisdom among those who are mature,yet not the wisdom of this age nor of the rulers of this age who are coming to nothng but we speak the wisdom of God in a mistery the hidden wisdom which was ordained before the ages for our glory.these things we also speak not in word which man`s wisdom teaches but which the holy spirit teaches,comparing spiritual things with spiritual.i read your point of view about soul ties and i belief u need to focus in spiritual things more than fleshly feeling which i can assure u im not talking about that.
for me the Sabbath is after the sixth day of work,the seventh should be your sabbath,because in the bible is not written what day of the week is the Sabbath,as far as know the bible only says six days u will work and the seventh day u should rest.God blessed the seventh and sanctified because in it he rested from his work which God had created and made.what day do u think the Sabbath is on?
You'll have to forgive me if I've failed to find the distinction in your opinion between feelings and spirituality. If you are making a distinction between the two I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on the matter. We could even start with why you believe I'm focusing on fleshy feelings by reading the Scriptures for my answers if that's what you do believe.
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This is why I believe the "feelings" thing is a load of bull, and you should NOT follow them.
Jeremiah 17: 9- The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? "
Basically, how can you separate "feelings" from God "speaking" to you? I mean, in some cases, it's pretty clear-cut... I FEEL like I want to cheat. It's a very strong feeling, so it must be from God, right?!? Of course not! Now, how do we separate that into other decisions that, while they still matter, have no obvious "right or wrong" answer. Do I go to college here, here, or here?
How do you find out what God's telling you there? Say I WANT to go to college A. I want that because it's very well-formed for my degree of choosing, and not too far from home. But family and friend pressures say go to college B, because it's a Christian college. But what if God ACTUALLY wanted you to go to College C? You wouldn't just "feel" it.
Like I've said before (somewhere, dunno if it was here), I believe he speaks in circumstances. Let's say that you apply for all 3 to keep your options open. You get the scholarships for schools B and C, and you cannot afford A, so unless a way is provided somehow (which won't happen if it's not God's will), then that's ruled out. Then, let's say that at church one week, someone from college C visits, and you get to talking with them. You find out they go there, and you're now have motivation for college C.
I believe situations like this are God-inspired, and I look for ways that God's hand moves to see what he wants me to do. I don't look TOO deep into it (z0mg, I found a nickel, it must mean something@!#W!@), but there are some things that are just OBVIOUS, especially when you're seeking God.
Do ya see where I'm coming from?? And I could be WAY off here, and am willing to look at other ways as long as it makes sense and is discernible from "my own thoughts." This is just what I believe atm, and I have no reason to believe otherwise ^_^
Jeremiah 17: 9- The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? "
Basically, how can you separate "feelings" from God "speaking" to you? I mean, in some cases, it's pretty clear-cut... I FEEL like I want to cheat. It's a very strong feeling, so it must be from God, right?!? Of course not! Now, how do we separate that into other decisions that, while they still matter, have no obvious "right or wrong" answer. Do I go to college here, here, or here?
How do you find out what God's telling you there? Say I WANT to go to college A. I want that because it's very well-formed for my degree of choosing, and not too far from home. But family and friend pressures say go to college B, because it's a Christian college. But what if God ACTUALLY wanted you to go to College C? You wouldn't just "feel" it.
Like I've said before (somewhere, dunno if it was here), I believe he speaks in circumstances. Let's say that you apply for all 3 to keep your options open. You get the scholarships for schools B and C, and you cannot afford A, so unless a way is provided somehow (which won't happen if it's not God's will), then that's ruled out. Then, let's say that at church one week, someone from college C visits, and you get to talking with them. You find out they go there, and you're now have motivation for college C.
I believe situations like this are God-inspired, and I look for ways that God's hand moves to see what he wants me to do. I don't look TOO deep into it (z0mg, I found a nickel, it must mean something@!#W!@), but there are some things that are just OBVIOUS, especially when you're seeking God.
Do ya see where I'm coming from?? And I could be WAY off here, and am willing to look at other ways as long as it makes sense and is discernible from "my own thoughts." This is just what I believe atm, and I have no reason to believe otherwise ^_^