Is Eternal Security Conditional or Unconditional?

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Grace777x70

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Yeah and it means not taking the safety belt off for the entire trip, because it gets uncomfortable or cramps our style (longings of the flesh, if ya know what I mean).
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We are sealed in Him by the Holy Spirit. The safety belt is the Holy Spirit.

I believe I will trust in Him. I think Jesus' salvation is more then enough and His blood is more then enough to purchase our redemption. I encourage you to trust in the Lord's perfect work for all of us who believe. We have a great salvation in Him.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 
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Miss Angela53510

you have stated above:

I agree but read down below.

If anyone believes, they can walk in the Flesh and think there going to heaven they have deny what Holy scripture teaches.

The word of God is clear , one is either born again or they don't belong to Him.

Shalom
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Anytime you sin, No matter what reason you are sinning (ie, get rid of the oopsie or I made a mistake excuse) You are in the flesh.

SO you just condemned the whole world. Because the whole world sins.
 
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No Pilgrim, he MADE IT UP.

See THIS POST.

This is how the Good News gets slandered. HRFTD purposefully altered a paragraph that I wrote and now you think that I actually wrote it.

What HRFTD did was dishonest and misleading, Pilgrim. We 'Grace folk' have stated clearly what we believe and he, with intent, twisted it to support his false accusations against us.

I hope you can see that.

-JGIG

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No Spherical, didn't happen. That statement was a creation of HeRoseFromTheDead, not from JGIG.

You've been duped. See above.

-JGIG
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Amen sis, Time to just start reporting them when they do this.. I have one on my short list now.. Two are about to be added (I am trying to show Grace like I did the one for quite awhile)
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
That's like saying:

How can an auto safety belt be described as conditional security? If it requires me to do something it's not security.
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Actually it goes great,

You have to have FAITH that you need thr seat belt first (many people do not think they need one, and don't bother to put them on). Some just rebellious (Only sissies put seat belts on) and some out of lack of need (I drive slow, and carefull, I do all these things to keep myself safe, So I do nto need a seat belt)

Same thing with Christianity.

We need to wrap ourselves wiht the blood of Christ if we are to be saved when we all have the head on collision with God at judgment day.

But some of them do not think they need the bood. Some are to proud to put on christ (only sissies do that) and some do all these things (Baptism, church membership, obeying some list of rules and regulations or laws) so they do not have to worry about getting into a wreck, so they do not need to put on Christ (even though tthey think they have)

we all know (well they seem to not know) will happen to them when they get into that head on collision with God at judgment day. They will suffer death (the bible calls it the second death)
so thanks for this grreat illustration. If only you understood it :(
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Yeah and it means not taking the safety belt off for the entire trip, because it gets uncomfortable or cramps our style (longings of the flesh, if ya know what I mean).
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God shut Noah in the ark, DO you think Noah could have opened the door that God sealed?

God seals us with this spirit. do you think we can grab of the holy spirit and unbuckle him while we are driving on in life?

Sorry, but I do not see scripture supporting your examples. Your examples more support eternal security, then conditional security. .
 
Grace777x70

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I agree that the seat belt is a great analogy. Some people think that "they" are the seat belt. Jesus is our Life and Way and Truth - the Holy Spirit in us now is the seat belt that "seals" us in Christ.
 
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Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, just sin is much as you want, act like a reprobate and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I agree that the seat belt is a great analogy. Some people think that "they" are the seat belt. Jesus is our Life and Way and Truth - the Holy Spirit in us now is the seat belt that "seals" us in Christ.
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Amen! The Holy Spirit not only seals us in Christ but is also the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession - Ephesians 1:14. Praise God!
 
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RBA238 said:
Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, just sin is much as you want, act like a reprobate and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom.
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They do not believe what the bible clearly witnesses on that matter, but believe what the doctrines of men say.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
They do not believe what the bible clearly witnesses on that matter, but believe what the doctrines of men say.
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yes, I believe what men say: Paul, a man personally hand-picked by Christ to deliver the Gospel to the Gentiles, wrote we are saved by grace through faith for good works.

I would take that over a make-up-my-theology from the Bible method, which is what some do.
 
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Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, just sin is much as you want, act like a reprobate and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom.
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And the majority are in a WORSE state of unbelief. they go to Church every time, they cut out as much sin as they can muster, they stop acting like a reprobate. And they think that this gets them into the Kingdom.

In Gods eyes this is living worse than a reprobate. and If your scenario is true................then none of us are going to make it.
 
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Originally Posted by RBA238

Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, just sin is much as you want, act like a reprobate and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom.


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And the majority are in a WORSE state of unbelief. they go to Church every time, they cut out as much sin as they can muster, they stop acting like a reprobate. And they think that this gets them into the Kingdom.

In Gods eyes this is living worse than a reprobate. and If your scenario is true................then none of us are going to make it.
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This is the very reason we need to teach people the gospel of the grace of Christ. Only the gospel has the power for salvation in every aspect of our lives. Grace teaches us how to live godly in this present world. Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are under grace! Knowing what that means brings deliverance and clarity to our walk with the Lord in this life.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Originally Posted by RBA238

Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, just sin is much as you want, act like a reprobate and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom.




This is the very reason we need to teach people the gospel of the grace of Christ. Only the gospel has the power for salvation in every aspect of our lives. Grace teaches us how to live godly in this present world. Sin shall not have dominion over us because we are under grace! Knowing what that means brings deliverance and clarity to our walk with the Lord in this life.
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And we need to remember that Sin in us breeds 2 aspects. Self righteousness and sin like hell. And the overwhelming majority are out "trying" to do good and be good.

" living like hell " is just a smoke screen, from the folks that believe it is their lifestyle that is going to save them. They would have us believe that everybody is a Hitler, when 95% of the population is a Mother T.......they think they are good enough.

satan is trying to blind us from the REAL problem.
 
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Gr8grace said:
And the majority are in a WORSE state of unbelief. they go to Church every time, they cut out as much sin as they can muster, they stop acting like a reprobate. And they think that this gets them into the Kingdom.

In Gods eyes this is living worse than a reprobate. and If your scenario is true................then none of us are going to make it.
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If they actually stop sinning, then that is a good thing, and GOD is well pleased. What you are referring to, though, is stopping merely the appearance of sinning and the breaking of man-made rules, which is just religious hypocrisy
 
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JGIG said:
So it is not Christ who intercedes for us but it must be us who intercedes for us, according to you.

Got contextual Scripture to back that notion up, ISIT?
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I never said that, you just imp-lied I did. This is the second time now you have tried to misrepresent what I have actually said in my posts. Do you have proof that this is what I said? Please show the post number and my own words to back up your false accusations above. Will be waiting. :)
 
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Gr8grace said:
And we need to remember that Sin in us breeds 2 aspects. Self righteousness and sin like hell. And the overwhelming majority are out "trying" to do good and be good.

" living like hell " is just a smoke screen, from the folks that believe it is their lifestyle that is going to save them. They would have us believe that everybody is a Hitler, when 95% of the population is a Mother T.......they think they are good enough.

satan is trying to blind us from the REAL problem.
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Amen...well said...it's eating from the same tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It's the same fruit.
 
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Hi JGIG, You know, I have seen him and a couple of others on the front of the many videos which are loaded onto this site, after seeing (although not watching) quite a few of them posted I actually began to think this Mr Prince was some sort of silent partner promoting his own website from here because of how often his stuff was posted and then I kept hearing ..."WE this...or WE that" and after a little time you begin to realize there is this other invisible dividing line when (whoever it might be) who seem to be holding to Mr Princes teachings spoke or when talking/arguing to a non hyper (?) grace person (or however you all refer to either yourselves among yourselves or even those not of your particular herd (so to speak) but who by default become the THEY (not with us) types. And so that was just part of why I had actually thought Mr Prince might be the ministry that this particular website supports (in whatever ways it might) or visa versa the website itself choses to support those promote this Mr Prince, I couldnt figure out which or whether that was even so, I havent a clue. But I also cannot find (and what I typically do not look for actually) what many a site oftentimes provides which is the sites statement of faith, perhaps you know where that is, or could direct me to it.

So I have been extended the opportunity to watch this Mr Princes videos by those who promote him as they do here, but I peronally do try to stay away from any of that, or those who spend so much time pointing someone in the direction of other men (and their words) as well as what often appears as away from Christ the words of Christ (being amongst the other things) which I just dont trust that. Its a little more then that, but it wont be helpful to say anymore, so I will say just that and keep it there.
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That's right, and promoting other web sites and their doctrines, and spamming the forums with constant copy pastes from those web sites like "escape from reality" is supposed to be against the forum rules. Hmmmm.
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
I never said that, you just imp-lied I did. This is the second time now you have tried to misrepresent what I have actually said in my posts. Do you have proof that this is what I said? Please show the post number and my own words to back up your false accusations above. Will be waiting. :)
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It's noteworthy that these false accusations of false accusation keep following a select group around.
 
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That's right, and promoting other web sites and their doctrines, and spamming the forums with constant copy pastes from those web sites like "escape from reality" is supposed to be against the forum rules. Hmmmm.
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That's what I've wondered. It doesn't seem right, but it does persist.
 
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