trying to figure out what Gods plan is with having my back get so messed up.

[jenniferand2]

I'll let you know when I come to accept this. I have to let hubby know, since he became disabled 2-3 years after I did.

17 years and still waiting for the moment of accepting.

How long you got to wait for me to get back to you?

Worst part -- I never know what will cause more pain until hours to a day after doing "stupid-idea."

And most of stupid-ideas have to be done anyway and who else is going to do it?

BUT, in case you haven't heard of it yet, TENS unit = back lifesaver.

It's my T11 (or was that 12? I always forget), that causes the chronic pain around my waist -- inside and out. Pain pills help that pain, but do nothing for back. TENS units give wow-I-can-live-with-that pain relief.

The on-the-market ones are iffy, at best. (My originally prescribed one lasted 16 years. I've bought three on-the-market ones since February, and I'm holding my breath for this third one last long enough that my next prescribed one comes in sometime this week. They're giving me two types -- the ones you'll see when you google and a vest one. Considering T4 is in a spot I can't reach, I'm really looking forward to see if the vest helps. If I can, I can deal with T4, T11, and my two L's all in one sitting.

Want me to let you know how it goes, once I find out?

sure that would be nice I had a tens unit also but insurance stopped covering the pads for it and it pretty much died from over use. I waiting to see if workmans comp will cover a new one

 

[jenniferand2]

When God Weeps <-----written by a woman and guy years after spending six months together searching God's word for the answer to the big question -- "Why?"

And why did they get that interested in that question? Because at 17 she jumped into a body of water with her friends, broke her neck and became a quadriplegic. If anyone can teach me why God graced me with chronic pain and graced hubby with far worse, those two could. And they did.

Well worth the reading, and it won't answer just about a sore back that will go away. (And not that your sore back is a "just" either, but compared to the rest of your life that's a momentary discomfort. The rest hurts even more.) You've been through far worse than this, and God has you covered, thinks you're particularly special to him, and does answer that really big question. Those two just happen to do better at explaining it all in words than I can.

(Really, really... buy, borrow, or swap to get that book and read it. I don't recommend but about five books on all the stuff that interest me, and that's the only one worthy of your question.)

Thank you I will look into it and see if i can find it at the library or but it online when I can

 

[jenniferand2]

I flipped over in bed yesterday and heard the loudest pop and can barley move or walk now. I can feel the pressure in my spine from what ever it was that popped back into or out of place. So I am sorry I did not reply to you sooner I was trying hard not to move at all still hurts real bad today. I just am trying hard not to go to the ER cause they never seem to care because I have to go frequently sometimes. They think I am a junky or something know. It really pisses me off I get treated that way but oh well such as life I just try to deal with the excruciating pain. Thank you for the suggestions and I am sorry you have back pain also I do not wish that on anyone.

 

[Depleted]

I flipped over in bed yesterday and heard the loudest pop and can barley move or walk now. I can feel the pressure in my spine from what ever it was that popped back into or out of place. So I am sorry I did not reply to you sooner I was trying hard not to move at all still hurts real bad today. I just am trying hard not to go to the ER cause they never seem to care because I have to go frequently sometimes. They think I am a junky or something know. It really pisses me off I get treated that way but oh well such as life I just try to deal with the excruciating pain. Thank you for the suggestions and I am sorry you have back pain also I do not wish that on anyone.

Yeah, I hate ERs for the same reason. (That and waiting 6-8 hours before they implied I was a junky.)

Hubby has back issues too, and sometimes just leaning over like trying to touch your toes without actually pushing your body past what it does in a relaxed position pops some of his spine back into place. (Sounds like he's cracking his knuckles.) It makes his back feel better. It doesn't work for me. Then again, I'm glad it doesn't because that popping sound makes me gag.

Oh, heads up. Don't bother trying to get your TENS unit repaired. It seems repair shops don't have old circuit board components available to fix. (If my back didn't hurt I would have picked up my beloved TENS unit and given it a proper burial. I REALLY loved that unit. lol)

 

[e_v_e]

I am trying to figure out why God saw it in his plan to have me get my back messed up and have me be in so much pain. I know other people have it way worse then me and I am by no means trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here. I just wonder why my back had to get messed up when i was just trying to get things back together in my life. I now he has a reason but knowing why might make it a bit easier to deal with. I know i will never know the reason here on earth for why it happened. I just wish I could get things under control so I can actually enjoy activities again. Thanks just a vent post here I am just a bit fed up with back pain and back spasms running my life.

He does not have those things in His plan for you Jennifer...This world itself is a fallen place where there is death and pain and suffering....and often His suffer more than others do.

 

[GraceRevelation]

God doesn't cause his children to suffer or curse them with sickness and pain. Jesus took all the lashes to pay for all of our healing, sickness comes from the devil we have a duty to command our healing because it is there for us to take. It's an injustice to not take our healing when Jesus had to go through what he went through. Take communion daily this is something you can do in your own home with a simple cracker and some wine or whatever you have available. My moms done this many times and I've done it whenever we need healing. Doing it daily is great to because it's also preventative, keeps sicknesses away. Here's a video you can do communion with or just read the paragraph below. Healing shouldn't take forever, you keep on it and get rid of it. God loves you and wants you healed! The Power Of The Holy Communion | Articles | Joseph Prince Ministries

 

[GraceSalvation]

And it's such a beautiful thing, Communion! It is amazing to be able to spiritually rid yourself from illness, which does not belong and must not be contained in our bodies. God loves our bodies as much as he loves our souls. The physical suffering that Jesus received in the form of bodily harm allows us now to rid ourselves of illness, ailments, pain, suffering, any and all of the above negativities that are not of God but of the Devil. My dad and I also do it every night, and it's a wonderful thing to be able to share and believe that we are already healed, it's been paid for by our savior Jesus Christ! I can never thank my lovely GraceRevelation enough for showing me that same link and introducing me to this wonderful daily practice. I wish you the best and that your back pain leaves your body as it should as it is never meant to be with you in the first place. Praise the Lord!

 

[blue_ladybug]

God does NOT heal everyone, Grace. If He could heal us once and for all, or even if we could heal ourselves, we would be immortal and never die. Taking communion isn't gonna change that. There is a reason that God has, why Jennifer and Depleted and myself and many others are not healed. And it's not because we haven't prayed enough, or believed it enough, or had enough faith. God simply chooses to heal SOME, for reasons known only to him. And when he does heal, he uses doctors and medicine, not a wafer and grape juice.. If it were THAT easy to heal ourselves, we wouldn't need God OR doctors to do it for us.

 

[Depleted]

And yet another plug for the Prince gospel in lieu of the real one.

What's the difference between a Joseph Prince follower and a JW follower? Apparently the links to different websites. Still, the goal is the same. Have devotees be foolish enough to keep posting links to the websites for good SEO to sell products faster.

What happens to the devotees? Nothing. In the 1-10 years it takes them to figure out they've been following a conman, they've added quite a few other people into believing the same garbage, so the pyramid scheme works. Do they fall away from God? Since they weren't ever following the true God, it doesn't matter, just as long as the revenue streams keep coming. That they are left battered and beaten at the side of the road wondering whatever happened to the god they were following really is none of the concern of the man who got quite rich fooling them that long.

Signs someone is following a man, not God -- when the person can think of nothing better to say but post a link to The Man as if then it makes it true.

Jenifer, don't be fooled by the Benny Hinn heir-apparent. It will just bring you more pain and heartache down the road.

 

[Depleted]

God does NOT heal everyone, Grace. If He could heal us once and for all, or even if we could heal ourselves, we would be immortal and never die. Taking communion isn't gonna change that. There is a reason that God has, why Jennifer and Depleted and myself and many others are not healed. And it's not because we haven't prayed enough, or believed it enough, or had enough faith. God simply chooses to heal SOME, for reasons known only to him. And when he does heal, he uses doctors and medicine, not a wafer and grape juice.. If it were THAT easy to heal ourselves, we wouldn't need God OR doctors to do it for us.

These are the people who follow Joseph Prince. Sort of like JW in that their mission is to promote the website. It's the reason there is a constant argument about grace-only v. "antigrace" all over this site now. This is what they're commissioned to do. Quite possibly like thinking "say ten Hail Marys and three Glory bes and you too shall be healed!"

And notice, the mission is rarely "timely." That's because it's out to promote, not help.

 

[NewWine]

Jennifer, I was younger than 20 when I first started having back issues. Now I can't remember a day in the past few years where I had a pain-free day. Two surgeries later and I still have pain daily, and according to my doctor I will see a wheelchair before retirement. All because when i was born, my spine didn't form properly, and then in life I lived a physical life full of mountain climbing, rappelling, spelunking, sports, anything I could do outside...

I went through being angry with God. I went through asking"why me". I went through being angry with doctors and surgeons. Finally I went through getting angry with myself for "doing this to myself" I was not even 40 yet and having surgeries for issues that most people don't even begin to have any issue with until over 50...what had I done to myself? I literally went from being a full time Realtor, Writer, Search and Rescue volunteer (dangling off the sides of mountains by a rope to rescue someone or hiking 10 plus miles in a night to find someone) to nothing in 5 minutes.
Over time I learned my limitations, and I still try to stretch them daily. It took a while but I do hike again. I garden now. I still can't go full throttle all day everyday, but I can go.

The thing about getting angry with God (in my opinion) is....He's a big God and can take it. He knows we don't fully understand everything and that can cause us pain and anger. He created us, so of course He knows. He KNOWS we will get angry with Him at times. It's a love story, and what true love story never has a bump along the way...a question, a fear, something that just doesn't sit right. Don't let your anger cause you to sin, but anger in general isn't sinful. God will still loves and protects you in your anger, and He will do whatever it takes to show you why and how things happen as you're able to see and understand it.

You may not see it today, but you are perfect just as you are....because in Christ you are perfect and you can do ALL things. That's what I had to realize through all of this. In pain, I can do all things with Christ. In pain, I am perfect in Christ. At my worst, I am God's masterpiece...His treasure. In pain you are as well. It's funny though....maybe pain has just become so commonplace in my life I don't feel it as much, but I am definitely able to do more now than a couple years ago....and I even see myself doing more than just last winter. My interests have changed some. I despise anything business related. I realized nature is round, but buildings, offices, windows, doors, laptops, computers, cell phones.....even printers....aren't round. I don't fit into square. I am better able to be compassionate with others' pain, whether it's physical or emotional now. But most of all....my relationship with Christ has grown by leaps and bounds, and I pray yours does as well.

One last thing that is VERY LITTLE solace when you're feeling your worst, but in all does help to remember......these 60-80 years of life here on Earth are so minute in comparison to an eternity of bliss. If I endure 20 plus years of physical pain here on Earth, what is that compared to eternity in a pain-free life...a mere pittance of time. Keep moving forward.

Peace!

 

[GraceRevelation]

And yet another plug for the Prince gospel in lieu of the real one.

What's the difference between a Joseph Prince follower and a JW follower? Apparently the links to different websites. Still, the goal is the same. Have devotees be foolish enough to keep posting links to the websites for good SEO to sell products faster.

What happens to the devotees? Nothing. In the 1-10 years it takes them to figure out they've been following a conman, they've added quite a few other people into believing the same garbage, so the pyramid scheme works. Do they fall away from God? Since they weren't ever following the true God, it doesn't matter, just as long as the revenue streams keep coming. That they are left battered and beaten at the side of the road wondering whatever happened to the god they were following really is none of the concern of the man who got quite rich fooling them that long.

Signs someone is following a man, not God -- when the person can think of nothing better to say but post a link to The Man as if then it makes it true.

Jenifer, don't be fooled by the Benny Hinn heir-apparent. It will just bring you more pain and heartache down the road.

I don't care If you have your views and your own beliefs but don't bash the heck out of others. Your saying things that are completely false and lying about what I'm about and what I believe. Your talking trash and demeaning whatever it is I say because I follow the Grace message and attacking many of the messages that I post. My posts are uplifting and comforting to people and I'm saying nothing that deserves this kind of harsh treatment. Your being very rude and apparently you think your being pleasing to the Lord by bashing in others because they follow the Grace message. Not everyone is going to agree exactly with one another and that's okay. I do not work for JP (just recommend him) and if I do and not realize it then I haven't been getting paid and I need to see them paychecks stat! You do what you want but don't attack me cause your arguments don't hold weight and you just make up random stuff.

 

[blue_ladybug]

GraceR, just so you know, it's against the rules here to post links advertising or promoting other sites such as the one in your signature. You might want to remove it before a mod sees it, since that is a bannable offense here. The TRUE Gospel is the bible.. NOT Joseph Prince or any of his writings or sermons..

 

[GraceRevelation]

God does NOT heal everyone, Grace. If He could heal us once and for all, or even if we could heal ourselves, we would be immortal and never die. Taking communion isn't gonna change that. There is a reason that God has, why Jennifer and Depleted and myself and many others are not healed. And it's not because we haven't prayed enough, or believed it enough, or had enough faith. God simply chooses to heal SOME, for reasons known only to him. And when he does heal, he uses doctors and medicine, not a wafer and grape juice.. If it were THAT easy to heal ourselves, we wouldn't need God OR doctors to do it for us.

Wow, you have no understanding of communion.You treat it soo disrespectfully, taking communion is not some ritual we do and it's certainly not us healing ourselves lol. I don't even think I need to dispute this because you need to read up on what communion even is and how Jesus took communion/The Lords Supper with his disciples. Secondly why did Jesus take all of those lashings specifically for our healing? Your obviously believing that your meant to be sick and in pain because you don't understand otherwise why your like this still. Right believing produces faith if you don't believe right you won't have faith for the healing and anything else you need, it's as simple as that. Faith is the currency in heaven just like money is here on earth you can't get ANYTHING without it. I really hate that Christians are just accepting sickness and believing that some God wants healed and some God doesn't ....what baloney. Jesus healed ALL that he came in contact with (not SOME) and Jesus certainly wasn't walking around disabled or sick or rollin around in a wheel chair..who would want to follow him if he was like that? These things are curses not blessings in "disguise" they are flat out curses just like poverty is and being alone is. No one wants to follow someone that's being beaten up or falling apart because that's the devil just walking all over you. This doesn't mean problems won't arise and attacks won't happen but to accept them and receive them and to hold onto them is wrong. You are to walk in the favor and blessings of God.

 

[GraceRevelation]

GraceR, just so you know, it's against the rules here to post links advertising or promoting other sites such as the one in your signature. You might want to remove it before a mod sees it, since that is a bannable offense here. The TRUE Gospel is the bible.. NOT Joseph Prince or any of his writings or sermons..

Of course the True Gospel is the Bible....Joseph Prince is a preacher of Grace which I follow just like you follow the preachers you want to follow as well as their teachings. You don't see me bashing you over the head

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

I thought I saw something here about free wine and wafers, so here I am.

 

[peacenik]

I am trying to figure out why God saw it in his plan to have me get my back messed up and have me be in so much pain. I know other people have it way worse then me and I am by no means trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here. I just wonder why my back had to get messed up when i was just trying to get things back together in my life. I now he has a reason but knowing why might make it a bit easier to deal with. I know i will never know the reason here on earth for why it happened. I just wish I could get things under control so I can actually enjoy activities again. Thanks just a vent post here I am just a bit fed up with back pain and back spasms running my life.

I'm arthritic and also have awful back, leg, and hand pains. This in addition to having a heart problem while suffering from nocturnal seizures. I was medically misdiagnosed for many years and went without medicine I needed for decades. If it is true that all this happens for a reason, it sure as heck isn't for a good one.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm arthritic and also have awful back, leg, and hand pains. This in addition to having a heart problem while suffering from nocturnal seizures. I was medically misdiagnosed for many years and went without medicine I needed for decades. If it is true that all this happens for a reason, it sure as heck isn't for a good one.

Read the threads in my signature. Then you'll understand what the reason is.

 

[Angela53510]

Sorry I missed this a few weeks ago. As I recall, I was studying for my Intermediate Biblical Greek final.

I just wanted to mention to the OP, that there really is no perfect life. Some us suffer from physical pain. For others the issues are financial, maritial or other family problems. Or school or no job or thousands of other things.

There is a kind of false Christianity, which says that once we are saved, our life will be perfect. Or once we are saved, God will make our life perfect. The Bible never says this. And anyone who preaches that it does, is misusing and misapplying Scripture.

When I first got sick with severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, I was literally bed ridden. The pain and deformities were horrible. At first, I believed my Word Faith friends who told me I just needed to have faith to be healed. And I believed. And I wasn't healed. But neither were they. One got breast cancer and refused medical treatment, because she believed "God had healed her." She died 10 months later. The other friend had an enlarged prostate, and he went to the ER and got surgery, when things got bad. That was the better alternative.

But that just made me madder at God. Not only had he not healed me, but one friend was dead, and another was sick. I turned away from God for 2 years. I stopped praying, and reading my Bible for the first time in over 20 years. But God was faithful, and he just kept telling me to pick up the Bible and read the Psalms. It took a while, but God spoke to me through the pages of the Psalms, as I read 5 a day for several years. I read the stories of real people who were hurting. David being chased by his enemies, despite his faithfulness to God. And there was also rejoicing! And for most of the laments, they concluded by praising God.

So going from pain, suffering, bitterness and anger - to celebrating and praising God.

God taught me that sometimes following him, means he is working on our character. Making us into better people than we were before we got sick or in pain. That can go two ways - you can become angry and then bitter, or you can go through that period of anger, and regret, and come out the other side praising God.

God gave me a lot of wonderful verses during that most difficult time of suffering and pain.

"Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:4

Can you praise God despite the pain? That is where God wants you to go. It's ok to question, to ask why, and to be mad at God. Someone already pointed out that he is a big God and he can handle it!

Another verse that God gave me has continued to help me to this day.

"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffer produces endurance, and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God's love has been poured out through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

I memorized the above verse, and it comes in handy pretty much daily. The RA meds that helped me a few years failed, and I have new deformities. On top of it, my tendons are now affected, and I have damaged hips from the RA. Of course, the whiplash injury never gets better.

But I have learned to trust God, and to help people who are also suffering. If you want to talk to me about the "why me?" or anything else, please send me a pm. And please do open up a modern translation of the Bible and just read the Psalms. They are balm for the hurting soul.

"Heavenly Father, I pray for the OP. Use this time of pain and suffering to draw her closer to you. Comfort her, transform her and make her closer into your image. In Jesus name, I pray, Amen."

 

[Depleted]

Of course the True Gospel is the Bible....Joseph Prince is a preacher of Grace which I follow just like you follow the preachers you want to follow as well as their teachings. You don't see me bashing you over the head

We don't follow "Grace." We follow God. This IS the problem. And, you're right, it really is rather rude to keep preaching a different god then the one a site is supposed to be about. Very much like the reasons Muslims, "intelletual atheists," Mormons, and JW's don't last long on this site. It's not that people who believe in other gods are automatically banned on here. Its really okay to come even if you don't believe in the same god. But when they come to promote that other belief, it is abusive, rude and onappropriate.

We don't serve Grace. We serve God, and I really am against folks trying to prothelytize their particular god to people in need. We may only be sheep, but we have the herd instinct, and that's to protect those who can be snatched away by the wolves.