Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

[PilgrimPassingThru]

The obedience of faith is "believing" and "trusting" in the finished work of Jesus for every part of our salvation. From beginning to end. Jesus is made our redemption and our sanctification and justification.
1 Cor.1:30
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The fruits of the spirit are not called the fruits of the flesh are they? Think about that for a moment.

I dont know where you might have gotten the fruits of the Spirit are of the flesh either by myself or scripture

 

[ladylynn]

Does it really matter what someone's motivation is for being obedient? GOD is well pleased when we don't sin. Period. People do the boss' will because they don't want to lose their job, not to get the job (be saved). They already have a job and don't want to lose it, so they obey the boss. Pretty simple concept.

btw, the chief fruit inspector taught his disciples to be fruit checkers - by their fruits ye shall know them - so there's nothing wrong with that.

Well, that is not the kind of relationship Jesus wants with us. He is our "husband" and we are the Bride What kind of husband has to insist his wife kiss him in the morning? What kind of a marriage is that? "--Wife, you must love me and stand by me and if you don't, I will make your life miserable. You will cook for me and do as I say based on fear and dread.--"

No way. The bride is happy to kiss her loving husband and stand by him for loves sake. And the husband is the leader in this and He has shown her how it's done. He loves her and He died for her.
The motivation is "love" not fear. There is no fear in love.

That is the concept we are to have about our union with Christ. Not a worker earning a wage who is afraid to lose the job, so he keeps on keeping on. ewwww where is the love and motivation in that?

 

[Grace777x70]

But Grace777x70 obviously does believe that Jesus and Peter/Paul do contradict each other because Jesus said to forgive to be forgiven, whereas he believes that Peter/Paul do not say that is necessary. Therefore, he has to give his interpretation of Peter/Pauls' writings preeminence over the plain words of Jesus, which he does by discarding Jesus' words by relegating them to the old covenant.

Here is a teaching that may help you in understanding of Jesus' words in context and why He spoke different things to different people. I take it you have not plucked your eye out when you lusted after a woman in any time in your life. I also take it that you have not chopped off your hands not are you perfect like the Father in heaven is perfect.

Altho there are some people that use the term "hyper-grace" in a derogatory way but when you think about it ..God's grace in Christ really is hyper and superabundant. Paul said God forgave our sins according to the "riches" of His grace. Imagine how rich God is?..Exciting isn't it?

Myth 8: Hyper-Grace Preachers Disregard the Words of Jesus

Hyper-grace preachers say the words of Jesus are not for us. They have no authority and are irrelevant to the modern church.”
One of the strangest claims made against hyper-grace preachers is that we are dismissive of the pre-cross teachings of Jesus. In point of fact, hyper-grace preachers are the only ones taking Jesus seriously.

When Jesus is preaching law, we say that’s authentic law, not to be taken lightly. And when Jesus is revealing grace, we bow in awestruck gratitude. We would not dare re-interpret his words with qualifiers and caveats.

In contrast, those who preach a mixed-grace message dismiss the hard words of Jesus as hyperbole and exaggeration. “Jesus didn’t mean what he said about chopping off limbs or being perfect.”

Like the Pharisees of old, they pick and choose those commands which are to be followed while disregarding others as metaphorical, unreal, and not to be taken seriously.

To be fair, the misperception that hyper-grace preachers reject the teachings of Jesus is based on a kernel of truth, which is this: Everything Jesus said is good, but not everything Jesus said is good for you. Or to put it another way, Jesus spoke words the whole world needs to hear, but you are not the whole world.

What you hear in the words of Jesus reflects what is in your heart. If you are standing on your own righteousness you will hear law like you’ve never heard it before. “You have heard it said … but I say unto you …”

Jesus preached tough, merciless law that leaves no margin for error. “Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matt. 5:48). The message is clear. Either you must be perfect or you must be represented by One who is.

However, if you already know that you are not perfect, you need to hear Jesus’ words of grace. You need to hear him speak about his Father who loves you, cares for you, and offers you his righteousness (Matt. 6:33).

A mixed-grace preacher reads the words of Jesus selectively but a hyper-grace preacher values everything Jesus says. He recognizes that Jesus is the perfect Physician who always prescribes the perfect medicine.

He gives law to the smug and grace to the needy. No matter who you are or where you are on your journey, Jesus has life-saving words for you.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/03/04/disregarding-the-words-of-jesus/

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

There is kiss the Son

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I wonder of their Prince Joseph believes in these words of God, "freely ye have received, freely give."



1 Timothy 6:9 “But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.”

Matthew 13:22
He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Mark 4:19
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

Luke 6:44
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

 

[Grace777x70]

Well let's make sure that we don't forget that you made this claim, and cannot scripturally support it. Therefore, it is only your opinion (best case).



There's absolutely nothing in the law that says forgiveness was dependent upon forgiving others (like it is in the new covenant). I know because I've studied it.

Let's deal with the truth of forgiveness with Paul and Peter and the very clear abundance of NT scripture.,.then we can deal with your rabbit trail that you brought up after of how they were forgiven before the Cross.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I will say, I havent really read much of Augustine myself save bits and pieces of what others who might have read him share online.

But I am not sure what your post has to do with playfully adding a Barney video though unless you are all for it, in that case I would say, cool, Barney it is.

I'm actually kidding, I can only take so much syrupy sweet fakery

And the scriptures do show the different perceptions of various people listening in, and especially of that which persecutes Christ, or those in Christ, and lays in wait, travels in packs consulting together against both persons and the truth.

But as an observer I dont see the OP mirroring that kind behavior.

The scriptures bless me no matter what the topic, and I dont feel this death or judgment or condemnation coming through them at me as another seems to imply they are picking up. If you are in Christ why would you feel condemned by a topic on seducing spirits as the scriptures present them in various places? The same are spoken of throughout the scripture as by Christ, Paul and John. The harder topics seem to be an issue. I believe InSpirit just seems to bring in more to look at concerning these while there may be some others who seem to work harder at concealing them, holding them down or cutting them out. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps he fustrates that particular effort on their part? Maybe or maybe not, it might depend on who is (at the time) seeing this board has people of various protestant sects but that seems far more evident (to me) most of the time. Maybe its just certain of them who dont like these hard places discussed. But the apostles wrote of the things and this part of CC is for bible discussion part and less for the gift of gabbing about everything else under the sun.

I do not see the problem with his posting on the things he has studied and is sharing.

Thats all I have to say, God bless you

It appears I was agreeing with you without understanding what you meant.
I took what you said about your mother adding sugar to your medicine to make it go down easier as being said in a different way than you intended it I guess...I took it literally.

I wasn't responding to the op. I was responding to your post, while keeping with the total discussion...sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I knew what you were saying. Oh lol!

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

It appears I was agreeing with you without understanding what you meant.
I took what you said about your mother adding sugar to your medicine to make it go down easier as being said in a different way than you intended it I guess...I took it literally.

I wasn't responding to the op. I was responding to your post, while keeping with the total discussion...sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought I knew what you were saying. Oh lol!

No problem, that happens sometimes, God bless you

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I wonder of their Prince Joseph believes in these words of God, "freely ye have received, freely give."

He'll freely give as long as the donation is large enough. Maybe we could call him The Prince of Piece (of the pie).

 

[Grace777x70]

Let's deal with the truth of forgiveness with Paul and Peter and the very clear abundance of NT scripture.,.then we can deal with your rabbit trail that you brought up after of how they were forgiven before the Cross.

Here is a great 12 minute video about the total forgiveness of sins that is ours in Christ. We have a great and total salvation in our Lord's perfect work for us.

We should be celebrating in Him and believing in what He has done for us! Then we will see the fruit of His life in us reaching out to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren too.


[video=youtube;61itgxg3NC8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61itgxg3NC8[/video]

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well, that is not the kind of relationship Jesus wants with us. He is our "husband" and we are the Bride What kind of husband has to insist his wife kiss him in the morning? What kind of a marriage is that? "-Wife, you must love me and stand by me and if you don't, I will make your life miserable"

More fluff ignoring all the warnings. What happens when a wife goes and plays the Harlot with many lovers? Is that a faithful wife, or an unfaithful wife? Of course your doctrine does not allow for such a thing because it is all fluff and fantasy ignoring all the warnings given in scripture about those who would play the Harlot by returning to the ways of world, which is the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of preserving their own lives in this wicked world.

We know by the words of God how God feels about an unfaithful wife->>>>>

Isaiah 50:1Thus saith the Lord, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

Jeremiah 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Let's deal with the truth of forgiveness with Paul and Peter and the very clear abundance of NT scripture.,.then we can deal with your rabbit trail that you brought up after of how they were forgiven before the Cross.

I think I'm on the fringe of seeing something here, but it's murky, so bear with me.
God never changes. So when He says in the OT, I desire mercy (forgiveness), not sacrifice, I see a connection between the pharisees, who demanded such extreme sacrifice that it became insanity and today, where men demand obedience to commands in the same way as the pharisees.

It has ALWAYS been mercy (forgiveness) that God desired, not sacrifice. Even David saw this with Gods help.
So I see that God always wanted us to show forgiveness and mercy. How else is it that Jesus chastised them for demanding obedience to command without lifting any of their strict demands for obedience in order to show mercy(forgiveness)?

Have I broke through any of my murkiness to make any sense? A good workman takes some from the old and some from the new and fits them together in a seamless way, like Jesus' robe. I am hoping a good workman will see the link I am faintly grasping and do the fitting together for us! I see it, but only dimly...

 

[Grace777x70]

He'll freely give as long as the donation is large enough. Maybe we could call him The Prince of Piece (of the pie).

To keep the slander down to a minimum....Here is some research done.

1. Joseph Prince defines prosperity as having what you need plus extra so that you can bless/minister to others

1. Joseph Prince does not take a salary from his church (hasn't for years )

1. Joseph Prince's income is from his books

1. There are very active ministries at JP's church - they are not just a bunch of money-grubbing, selfish people looking to live in nice houses and drive nice cars. New Creation Church is a pipeline where money flows in, money flows out in ministry: New Creation Church - Outreach

1. Joseph Prince's broadcasts - every single one that I've heard - ALWAYS says that they believe that your giving should go to your local church FIRST, and that if you feel led, that they welcome any support you feel led to give to them. There is NO 'sow your seed with this ministry and God will bless you' schtick AT ALL at NCC or preached by JP.

There are tons of examples of the work they are doing all over the world. Have a look. It will cause you to give thanks to our Lord for the work He is doing through this ministry.

New Creation Church - Outreach

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Pastor Joseph Prince Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth



Pastor Joseph Prince net worth:
$5 Million

Pastor Joseph Prince's Salary

$550 Thousand Per Year




Pastor Joseph Prince net worth and salary: Pastor Joseph Prince is a Singaporean pastor who has a net worth of $5 million dollars. However, according to the church bookkeeping, he has not received any money from the congregation since 2009.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That was a great video, grace777!
It's a constant struggle sometimes to not think in the reverse way that the world thinks and works!

 

[Grace777x70]

He'll freely give as long as the donation is large enough. Maybe we could call him The Prince of Piece (of the pie).

I would seriously consider what I am doing by slandering other Christians in the body of Christ.

Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Here is their vision and core values for their ministry in the Lord in helping out the community around them as well as their fellow believers.



Our Core Values

• Serve Out Of Rest
  
  We can be productive and effective on the outside because we have God's peace and rest on the inside. Serving out of rest is not inactivity, but Spirit-directed activity.
• People Matter
  
  We love and value every person because each of us matters to the Lord. In everything we do, we seek to glorify God and edify man.

• Excellence
  
  We seek to excel in all that we do because we have the mind and Spirit of Christ.

• Cutting Edge
  
  We endeavor to be innovative and always at the forefront of all that we do. We are geared to the times but still anchored to the Rock.

• Honour
  
  We treat each other with respect and integrity. We honour and submit to our leaders as unto the Lord.

New Creation Church - Our Vision And Core Values

 

[Grace777x70]

That was a great video, grace777!
It's a constant struggle sometimes to not think in the reverse way that the world thinks and works!

I agree...and I'm glad that it helped you as it did me. There is something liberating and that brings life when we hear the truth about what Jesus has already done for us...isn't there?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Now it's slander to mention someone making merchandise of the word of GOD.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2 Peter 2:1-3​

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The other thing I like about him, grace777, is that I joined their web thingy months ago and not once has anyone hit me up for money. Everything has been given freely for me to listen to and read. That's good for a poor person!

 

[Grace777x70]

Pastor Joseph Prince Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth



Pastor Joseph Prince net worth:
$5 Million

Pastor Joseph Prince's Salary

$550 Thousand Per Year




Pastor Joseph Prince net worth and salary: Pastor Joseph Prince is a Singaporean pastor who has a net worth of $5 million dollars. However, according to the church bookkeeping, he has not received any money from the congregation since 2009.

Again to keep the malice down to a minimum..( altho I was about to praise God for blessing him so much )..here is the truth.


[UPDATED on 22 Oct 2014 at 9am: Adding response from New Creation Church]

Pastor Joseph Prince's net worth is ‘substantially lower’ than the US$5 million (S$6.3 million) alleged by online reports, said a statement from New Creation Church.

The statement posted on 21 October on the church’s website added that the church is “disappointed with the manner in which the reports were generated and circulated without proper effort having being made to validate the facts”.
Earlier this month, US-based luxury lifestyle website RichestLifestyle.com named the New Creation Church founder and senior pastor as the 10th richest pastor in the world.

Its list puts 51-year-old Prince, a Singaporean, at number 10, with an estimated net worth of about S$6.3 million and an annual salary of close to S$700,000. According to a report by CelebrityNetWorth.com, however, Prince has not been on the church's payroll since 2009, a detail that was later confirmed by the church's most recent statement.


His book "The Power of Right Believing” made it to number two on the New York Times' bestseller list in the advice and "how to" category.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/new-creat...est-pastors--lifestyle-website-072923468.html