What does it mean to "abide" in Christ? (John 15:1-8)

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p_rehbein

p_rehbein

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Scriptureplz said:
"and He will give us strength and comfort,"

YES! He is where fruit of the Spirit comes from. Fruit of the Spirit is what we can expect when we abide (continue) in Christ.
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Yes, that's what I said. So change your OP, and omit WADE THROUGH WITH EASE........for this is not promised is it?

One other thing I almost forgot. In you first response to me, you stated it was not possible for there to be Apostles today. I would be doing a disservice to the members here, and the guests who may read your comment, to let it stand unchallenged as if it were Biblical Truth. It is not. With God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

Now, I can part ways and do so in peace,
 
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p_rehbein said:
Yes, that's what I said. So change your OP, and omit WADE THROUGH WITH EASE........for this is not promised is it?

One other thing I almost forgot. In you first response to me, you stated it was not possible for there to be Apostles today. I would be doing a disservice to the members here, and the guests who may read your comment, to let it stand unchallenged as if it were Biblical Truth. It is not. With God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

Now, I can part ways and do so in peace,
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There are requirements to apostleship, none of which man can meet today. They must have witnessed Jesus in that day or they are ineligible. Look it up. I would for you but you are boring me with you attitude.
 
mailmandan

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The Greek word for "abide" is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present.
 
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RobbyEarl said:
to the OP abide means to dwell or to live in or that is to say have hope and faith in and nothing else. In other words our faith and hope is in Christ and the work of the cross and nothing else.
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This is what you said RobbyEarl. But "dwell" is not the best word for the context of the passage, and "live" is not even included. "Remain, continue" are probably the best choices for the passage context.
 
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Scriptureplz said:
This is what you said RobbyEarl. But "dwell" is not the best word for the context of the passage, and "live" is not even included. "Remain, continue" are probably the best choices for the passage context.
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How can you remain or continue if you do not dwell?
 
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RobbyEarl said:
The work of the cross is(or should be ) the object of our faith, I know you never heard that term before, but it simply means that our faith is what Jesus did at the cross, by keeping our faith focused on that work, we then abide or dwell in Him and he in us.
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so I asked you, for clarification, how the work of the cross translates into our abiding..

I know what work Jesus accomplished on the cross and do not have a clue why you think I don't...

I think I understand you to say you believe Jesus accomplished salvation for us and we cannot add to it
 
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ember said:
so I asked you, for clarification, how the work of the cross translates into our abiding..

I know what work Jesus accomplished on the cross and do not have a clue why you think I don't...

I think I understand you to say you believe Jesus accomplished salvation for us and we cannot add to it
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Correct, but it's not just salvation as valuable as that is, but also Justification, and sanctification all provided by the cross.
 
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I am not sure what is causing it, but it seems to me there is some confusing posting in this thread due to misunderstandings

I thought it was a pretty straight forward topic

guess not :)
 
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RobbyEarl said:
How can you remain or continue if you do not dwell?
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Robby the problem with this word "dwell" is that it suggests permanence. Actually so does remain. This is the kind of 'abiding" that is done by the Holy Spirit, while our abiding is more temporal, and therefore "continue" probably works better in John 15.
 
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Correct, but it's not just salvation as valuable as that is, but also Justification, and sanctification all provided by the cross.
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I asked you to clairfy because I did not know what your point was NOT becauseI don't know what the work Jesus accomplished on the cross is

I think you misunderstand my question

thanks anyway
 
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https://youtu.be/xvs20pNMte4
 
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ember said:
I am not sure what is causing it, but it seems to me there is some confusing posting in this thread due to misunderstandings

I thought it was a pretty straight forward topic

guess not :)
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Some only see this passage as a "positional" passage. The are either blind or refuse to recognize that this has nothing to do with salvation.
 
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Some only see this passage as a "positional" passage. The are either blind or refuse to recognize that this has nothing to do with salvation.
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that would be a frozen abiding then I guess

not sure how salvation becomes abiding...sigh
 
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RobbyEarl said:
https://youtu.be/xvs20pNMte4
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your link is not working

you have to use the link icon and enter the site in the space provided...not sure what you did
 
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ember said:
that would be a frozen abiding then I guess

not sure how salvation becomes abiding...sigh
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There is mans abiding, and there is Gods abiding (Holy Spirit). Gods is permanent and unchanging (salvation), mans is ever changing (sanctification).
 
fredoheaven

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RobbyEarl said:
How can you remain or continue if you do not dwell?
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The word "abide" "abode" may mean not only "continue" as in John 15:9 or "remain" as in John 15:11; 16 but also "dwell" as in John 1:39. This is actually one way to refute lost salvationist crowd on their proof text of John 15:6. So that "to abide" or that "dwells" is not necessarily to mean a part of the body.

John 15: 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 
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Scriptureplz said:
There is mans abiding, and there is Gods abiding (Holy Spirit). Gods is permanent and unchanging (salvation), mans is ever changing (sanctification).
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got it...thanks! sorry things kind of went south here...it's such a good topic!
 
mailmandan

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1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
 
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