Why most doctors frown on natural medicine?
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[h=1]Why Antidepressants Don’t Work for Treating Depression[/h]
06/24/2010 05:12 am ET | Updated Nov 17, 2011
Here’s some depressing recent medical news: Antidepressants don’t work. What’s even more depressing is that the pharmaceutical industry and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have deliberately deceived us into believing that they DO work. As a physician, this is frightening to me. Depression is among the most common problems seen in primary-care medicine and soon will be the second leading cause of disability in this country.
My daughter has severe depression and her doctor never talks about healthy habits, foods, etc.
06/24/2010 05:12 am ET | Updated Nov 17, 2011
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Mark Hyman, MDPracticing physician
Here’s some depressing recent medical news: Antidepressants don’t work. What’s even more depressing is that the pharmaceutical industry and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have deliberately deceived us into believing that they DO work. As a physician, this is frightening to me. Depression is among the most common problems seen in primary-care medicine and soon will be the second leading cause of disability in this country.
My daughter has severe depression and her doctor never talks about healthy habits, foods, etc.
Marcelo, whaaa?? i'm so sorry! i would love to pray for your daughter.
thank God you are there to offer suggestions regarding food, exercise, and what do you think about a Biblical counselor?
not a Christian counselor who spouts off worldly pop psychology, but one who offers the Bible?
personally, i think anti-depressants are marvelous for the severely depressed, but the goal, as i understand it, is that they're supposed to readjust the brain chemistry (neurotransmitters) and then be stopped.
one doesn't want to be dependent, taking them forever. and if they don't seem to be helping, a change is needed.
thank God you are there to offer suggestions regarding food, exercise, and what do you think about a Biblical counselor?
not a Christian counselor who spouts off worldly pop psychology, but one who offers the Bible?
personally, i think anti-depressants are marvelous for the severely depressed, but the goal, as i understand it, is that they're supposed to readjust the brain chemistry (neurotransmitters) and then be stopped.
one doesn't want to be dependent, taking them forever. and if they don't seem to be helping, a change is needed.
wwjd,
more than one neurologist has told me that IF I didn't have a particular 'operation', that I would
very likely become paralyzed in a short amount of time,,,can you imagine this? can you go there?
I am an athelete, and equestrian, was a total out-door-fanatic, always enjoying the physical world's
activities as much as I was able from a very young age...
my husband got suspicious, because it was a 100thou.$plus operation - so, we did some RESEARCH,
(out-side of the box) in order to find out the success rate, which was NEVER MENTIONED in our 'conferences'...
and we found out that 10% got better and 10% stayed the same, and 80% got WORSE,
with the OPERATION...
the Lord was speaking to us through this whole ordeal from the beginning, and told us that,
(this is incredibly BAD odds), to have your neck split open and your spine manipulated and bound
with either, (titanium or a cadavers left-overs)...
duh...
there really was no choice, because my husband and I have been living-by-faith for many, many,
years, and we came to realize in a short amount of time that this was indeed just another TEST,
of our FAITH....
we are NOT 'anti' medical on a practical basis, but we are of the FAITH first, and therefore,
we listen, live, and totally rely on the Faith that we have been given...
we have NOT been let down yet, and we know that we never will be, for our will is
becoming more and more meshed with our Holy Father's will in all things and we have come
to realize over these many years, that with each TEST -
we will become stronger and stronger and will come to rest totally in His Will and Peace...
this journey has not been an easy one, but it has been a Spirit-led-one from the very beginning...
more than one neurologist has told me that IF I didn't have a particular 'operation', that I would
very likely become paralyzed in a short amount of time,,,can you imagine this? can you go there?
I am an athelete, and equestrian, was a total out-door-fanatic, always enjoying the physical world's
activities as much as I was able from a very young age...
my husband got suspicious, because it was a 100thou.$plus operation - so, we did some RESEARCH,
(out-side of the box) in order to find out the success rate, which was NEVER MENTIONED in our 'conferences'...
and we found out that 10% got better and 10% stayed the same, and 80% got WORSE,
with the OPERATION...
the Lord was speaking to us through this whole ordeal from the beginning, and told us that,
(this is incredibly BAD odds), to have your neck split open and your spine manipulated and bound
with either, (titanium or a cadavers left-overs)...
duh...there really was no choice, because my husband and I have been living-by-faith for many, many,
years, and we came to realize in a short amount of time that this was indeed just another TEST,
of our FAITH....
we are NOT 'anti' medical on a practical basis, but we are of the FAITH first, and therefore,
we listen, live, and totally rely on the Faith that we have been given...
we have NOT been let down yet, and we know that we never will be, for our will is
becoming more and more meshed with our Holy Father's will in all things and we have come
to realize over these many years, that with each TEST -
we will become stronger and stronger and will come to rest totally in His Will and Peace...
this journey has not been an easy one, but it has been a Spirit-led-one from the very beginning...
wwjd,
more than one neurologist has told me that IF I didn't have a particular 'operation', that I would
very likely become paralyzed in a short amount of time,,,can you imagine this? can you go there?
I am an athelete, and equestrian, was a total out-door-fanatic, always enjoying the physical world's
activities as much as I was able from a very young age...
my husband got suspicious, because it was a 100thou.$plus operation - so, we did some RESEARCH,
(out-side of the box) in order to find out the success rate, which was NEVER MENTIONED in our 'conferences'...
and we found out that 10% got better and 10% stayed the same, and 80% got WORSE,
with the OPERATION...
the Lord was speaking to us through this whole ordeal from the beginning, and told us that,
(this is incredibly BAD odds), to have your neck split open and your spine manipulated and bound
with either, (titanium or a cadavers left-overs)... duh...
there really was no choice, because my husband and I have been living-by-faith for many, many,
years, and we came to realize in a short amount of time that this was indeed just another TEST,
of our FAITH....
we are NOT 'anti' medical on a practical basis, but we are of the FAITH first, and therefore,
we listen, live, and totally rely on the Faith that we have been given...
we have NOT been let down yet, and we know that we never will be, for our will is
becoming more and more meshed with our Holy Father's will in all things and we have come
to realize over these many years, that with each TEST -
we will become stronger and stronger and will come to rest totally in His Will and Peace...
this journey has not been an easy one, but it has been a Spirit-led-one from the very beginning...
more than one neurologist has told me that IF I didn't have a particular 'operation', that I would
very likely become paralyzed in a short amount of time,,,can you imagine this? can you go there?
I am an athelete, and equestrian, was a total out-door-fanatic, always enjoying the physical world's
activities as much as I was able from a very young age...
my husband got suspicious, because it was a 100thou.$plus operation - so, we did some RESEARCH,
(out-side of the box) in order to find out the success rate, which was NEVER MENTIONED in our 'conferences'...
and we found out that 10% got better and 10% stayed the same, and 80% got WORSE,
with the OPERATION...
the Lord was speaking to us through this whole ordeal from the beginning, and told us that,
(this is incredibly BAD odds), to have your neck split open and your spine manipulated and bound
with either, (titanium or a cadavers left-overs)...
duh...there really was no choice, because my husband and I have been living-by-faith for many, many,
years, and we came to realize in a short amount of time that this was indeed just another TEST,
of our FAITH....
we are NOT 'anti' medical on a practical basis, but we are of the FAITH first, and therefore,
we listen, live, and totally rely on the Faith that we have been given...
we have NOT been let down yet, and we know that we never will be, for our will is
becoming more and more meshed with our Holy Father's will in all things and we have come
to realize over these many years, that with each TEST -
we will become stronger and stronger and will come to rest totally in His Will and Peace...
this journey has not been an easy one, but it has been a Spirit-led-one from the very beginning...
Orthodox medicine has its place in our lives, but when I started to learn the importance of learning more natural means of getting a myoma disppear thru ur food and lifestyle, tackling body pains with God's pharmacy of plants and herbs, even getting rid of a cough or cold w/o artificial or synthetic drugs and more deliciously too, why would I turn back to the old style of medication I grew up with? I just believe it helps to keep that medical record book like our parents did when we were small, so we have a record of what we have had thru the yrs, and u can see, recall and compare what worked and what didn't. I remember I was typing another paragraph to my last post here, but somehow didn't reach the 5-min cut-off, and had to forego some I thot to post last time, wc I have mentioned here now.
I have counseled many people, and never ever push anyone to discontinue their meds without a doctors approval. The truth is, many discontinue them on their own despite my advice to consult with their doctors and even sometimes when doctors tell them not to. I advise them against it, but don't control people.
BTW, when they change their diet and lifestyle, many of them can completely discontinue the meds, or at least dramatically lower the dosage. Is this something you would frown upon?
Do you believe all or even most doctors are altruistic? Can they convey something they have little or not training in?
Meds are like guns. They can be of great benefit, but do do a lot of harm. Most times they do more harm then good. It is not the guns that kill, it is the motivation of the people behind it.
Some doctors and some people who make big salaries in the pharma and medical profession are more motivated by ego and money then caring and loving people. There is no real big money in food and supplements, even though they are Gods natural remedy. Leave it to the world to get yet another thing backwards.
And you think that's good?
BTW, when they change their diet and lifestyle, many of them can completely discontinue the meds, or at least dramatically lower the dosage. Is this something you would frown upon?
Do you believe all or even most doctors are altruistic? Can they convey something they have little or not training in?
Meds are like guns. They can be of great benefit, but do do a lot of harm. Most times they do more harm then good. It is not the guns that kill, it is the motivation of the people behind it.
Some doctors and some people who make big salaries in the pharma and medical profession are more motivated by ego and money then caring and loving people. There is no real big money in food and supplements, even though they are Gods natural remedy. Leave it to the world to get yet another thing backwards.
And you think that's good?
NotMyOwn, please, do pray for my daughter! I trust God will listen to your prayer.
Debora is extremely stubborn - she won't listen to advice. We have plenty of organic fruits and vegetables, but she loves junk food. She started working out many times, but quit shortly after. She is very ethical and loyal to her principles, but is an atheist - she won't listen to any Christian counselor. She stayed four years in psychotherapy with little improvement. She continues trying one therapist after another.
Please, pray for Debora. I see God is already moving your heart.
Debora is extremely stubborn - she won't listen to advice. We have plenty of organic fruits and vegetables, but she loves junk food. She started working out many times, but quit shortly after. She is very ethical and loyal to her principles, but is an atheist - she won't listen to any Christian counselor. She stayed four years in psychotherapy with little improvement. She continues trying one therapist after another.
Please, pray for Debora. I see God is already moving your heart.
Doctors don't use herbal treatments because they don't work. Most of what works is placebo effect. So if you think it works, you will actually have the effect of thinking it works.
Doctors are trained scientifically and testimonials do not make for good medicine. Instead, double blind studies, where large groups of people are given the drug, and another group only thinks it got the drug. Neither the researchers nor the patients know who got the drug, so the researchers won't accidently spend more time with the people who got the drug.
So this is where placebo effect gets interesting. Remicade was one of the first biologics used for Rheumatoid Arthritis and the university where I lived participated in the study. As a control, all the patients had their hands xrayed to compare to see if the progression of the disease had stopped after a year.
The shocking thing that happened, was the control group, that was not getting the medicine, had 52% of the people say they felt much better. Well, that should be good, right? Except the second xray showed considerable deterioration in the people who thought they felt well, much more damage than the group who actually got the drug.
So they discontinued the double blind part of the study, because it was not ethical to let these people thing they were feeling better,, when in fact they were getting rapidly worse.
Placebo effect - remember it!
As for nutrition, that is something doctors need to be more into. When my husband was diagnosed with pre-diabetes we got shoved off to a community workshop with other pre-diabetics. It was all about exercise and diet. And the diet is the one that I ate - high fiber - fruits and veggies, less meat, no sugar, etc. So now we eat the same food, and he is not pre-diabetic anymore.
So the doctor did refer us, but they sure don't spend a lot of time looking at underlying nutritional causes for a variety of things.
Doctors are trained scientifically and testimonials do not make for good medicine. Instead, double blind studies, where large groups of people are given the drug, and another group only thinks it got the drug. Neither the researchers nor the patients know who got the drug, so the researchers won't accidently spend more time with the people who got the drug.
So this is where placebo effect gets interesting. Remicade was one of the first biologics used for Rheumatoid Arthritis and the university where I lived participated in the study. As a control, all the patients had their hands xrayed to compare to see if the progression of the disease had stopped after a year.
The shocking thing that happened, was the control group, that was not getting the medicine, had 52% of the people say they felt much better. Well, that should be good, right? Except the second xray showed considerable deterioration in the people who thought they felt well, much more damage than the group who actually got the drug.
So they discontinued the double blind part of the study, because it was not ethical to let these people thing they were feeling better,, when in fact they were getting rapidly worse.
Placebo effect - remember it!
As for nutrition, that is something doctors need to be more into. When my husband was diagnosed with pre-diabetes we got shoved off to a community workshop with other pre-diabetics. It was all about exercise and diet. And the diet is the one that I ate - high fiber - fruits and veggies, less meat, no sugar, etc. So now we eat the same food, and he is not pre-diabetic anymore.
So the doctor did refer us, but they sure don't spend a lot of time looking at underlying nutritional causes for a variety of things.
W
You know my sister tried this psycho babble with me when I found out I had cancer. I believed God would heal me and she made statements like, if you believe God will heal you then why even go to the doctor. The same goes with natural means for healing. My ole sis said the same thing when I stopped doing chemotherapy. Why does it have to be take it all or leave it all together attitude with you people? There are natural cures out there and the only reason the doctors don't say anything about it is because they are told not to or they will lose their license to practice medicine.
Many people have used natural means to stop cancer and other serious diseases. Granted there are people in the world of natural healing that make tons of money as well. God gave us everything we need naturally to keep our bodies healed. I'm not talking about expensive supplements but eating right and not feeding our faces with easy to get foods in our towns.
I spoke with a nutritionist a few weeks ago and he wanted me to take 1000 dollars worth of supplements a month. I laughed at him and told him to cancel our next appointment. Now I am juicing and just eating right. People need to be smart and use some common sense when it comes to taking care of their bodies.
Many people have used natural means to stop cancer and other serious diseases. Granted there are people in the world of natural healing that make tons of money as well. God gave us everything we need naturally to keep our bodies healed. I'm not talking about expensive supplements but eating right and not feeding our faces with easy to get foods in our towns.
I spoke with a nutritionist a few weeks ago and he wanted me to take 1000 dollars worth of supplements a month. I laughed at him and told him to cancel our next appointment. Now I am juicing and just eating right. People need to be smart and use some common sense when it comes to taking care of their bodies.
Thanks for telling abt how u have been dealing with the little c. I was trying a post earlier but somehow lost it. Anyway, i'm sure others need the encouragement, and thats why i strive to post in the Biblical medications thread (in Misc) altho in bits and pcs. Like now, i am using a laptop and connection can be rather slow (as well as the laptop-)and i have to run anyway.
People out there: realise how much healing can develop by your diet alone. Look at the poison you put into your body that industries advertise as 'food'. So much of what you suffer, your ailments physical and mental can be resolved to a large extent if not completely by eating healthy, organic foods exclusively every day. There is so much power in diet alone, I just wish everyone would see this and follow through. It would help them so much.
so much wisdom in one so young!!! it's not hard to guess who it is that works moment to moment
tempting and deceiving us to destroy ourselves through the lusts of this world,,...
it all goes back to the First Commandment, Though shall not eat of the tree of good and evil'...
thus the pattern for sickness and death, it was set in place in the very beginning and continues
until this very day...
tempting and deceiving us to destroy ourselves through the lusts of this world,,...
it all goes back to the First Commandment, Though shall not eat of the tree of good and evil'...
thus the pattern for sickness and death, it was set in place in the very beginning and continues
until this very day...
I struggled with insomnia for years and consulted many doctors; all they would do was to prescribe sleeping pills and other drugs. After poisoning myself with those drugs for nearly a decade, I discovered that the root cause of my insomnia was muscle tension. I learned many relaxation techniques and today I fall asleep naturally, without any pharmaceutical drug.