Why most doctors frown on natural medicine?

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Most doctors today don't believe in natural medicine - they use only drugs. Why?
The truth is simple, all medicine has to be proven to work. People die when this is done wrong.
It can take 10+ years to prove what matters and what does not.

A classic example was a group who had a problem in their bodies that closed them down. A medicine was discovered that attacked the bacteria that was destroying them. Though it killed the bacteria it killed their mitachondria, which are in every cell of the body and give us all energy to live. Every patient lived 3 days, and then died.

This makes all doctors sceptical of every unproven treatment. Yes some might work, but most are just placebo effects and some are just dangerous. If you have no other choice, then why not, which is a different ball game.
 

Crustyone

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By now most alternative therapies are already "proven" through usage. It doesn't take long for bad news to travel among alternative doctors, especially these days. Most everything has already been proven to work, it just doesn't always work on each person because of the different physiology of each person. Also many more people die of prescription meds, and without repercussion, than die of alternative methods. It wouldn't be so bad if doctors were allowed to use both methods as a standard protocol, but medical overseers don't generally allow even that.
 
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1LonelyKnight

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AMA SAYS MEDICAL TECHNOLOGY IS THE DIGITAL SNAKE OIL OF THE 21ST CENTURY (and they need more) ...

Dr. James Madara, CEO of the American Medical Association, for example. Earlier this month, he took time to rant about how technology is overrunning healthcare in his speech at the AMA annual meeting in Chicago.

“From ineffective electronic health records (EHR), to an explosion of direct-to-consumer digital health products, to apps of mixed quality,” said Madara, according to his prepared remarks, "this is the digital snake oil of the early 21st century.”

Link:
usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2016/06/27/digital-snake-oil-misplaced-medtech-insult/86440652/
 
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1LonelyKnight

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Sorry for my own rants on this thread - always taking a bigger view seems like off topic, or ranting.

I agree that many doctors, while not physicians, do care and do try to attend to the needs of their patients, including sound counseling which includes a call to repentance and right living. Medical funding comes from the government and large corporations. This places a lot of pressure on the average practitioner. As the above post shows, the agents of big medicine also make policy indications to the entire industry. The fact that cheerleaders are hired by pharmaceutical companies to tell doctors of the latest drugs and the amount of advertising that is spent are more indicators. Folks in other countries than the USA may see things differently, but this is often only so since the USA is seen as a colony of England and the house of Lords. In some countries doctors work for little more than food and housing.

It is true that the complex nature of lifestyle and diet in the western world mitigates the efficacy on natural medicine. Natural remedies are secondary to natural prevention. The dosages required to overcome the diet and lifestyle of the west often preclude the use of natural approaches. The placebo effect is simply an indicator of the psycho (mind) somatic (body) effect of disease. This is where Jesus as the great physician steps in to call for repentance, moderation, self-denial and meditative, contemplative and petitionary prayer, along with fasting, as key elements to natural healing.

End of rant ... End of thread contributions. Apologies for apparent typos as sometimes my phone makes up it's own mind about what words I am trying to use.

Here's to all of your good health - both spiritual and physical.
 
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I think it is a prejudice that med school instills in their students. There is also the deal of whether the particular treatment has been tested by the FDA and passed.
 

Crustyone

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I have GERDs. I don't do fish oil, because when I did, for the rest of the night, it tasted like we had fish for dinner again. I like fish. I don't like it every single night, especially when the taste hides what I really ate and that was delicious, even if it was salmon, (which is better tasting than cod.) lol
Fish oil will give you that problem, but I have heard reports that krill oil or Calamari oil doesn't have the fishy burpees.
 

maxwel

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1. Doctors cannot know everything... they can only know whatever the medical schools choose to teach in their curriculum.

E.g. most general practioners don't even know that much about nutrition, that's why we have "nutritionists."


2. Doctors are going to absorb any medical bias, correct or incorrect, which is held by the medical schools.


If there is any bias in medical schools, for or against certain things, the doctors are going to receive that bias.

If may be correct bias, or it may be incorrect bias.


3. The medical profession, like all professions, has MONETARY REASONS to promote ONLY IT'S OWN LICENSED PRACTITIONERS, and ONLY IT'S OWN PREFERRED METHODS.

All professions do this.

All professions have always done this.

4. Doctors with good intentions are OFTEN DECEIVED by the pharmaceutical companies... and this is verified in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD of the UNITED STATES.

This is proven and verified.
The big pharmaceutical companies put false information into the medical journals.

They've been caught, over and over.

5. The FDA does not always do the right thing... they often succumb to powerful lobbying groups... and they push forward bad medicine, or hold back good medicine.

This has all been documented.
It happens all the time.

There have been many many instances of dangerous medicines pushed through the FDA by lobbying groups presenting false information about the drugs.

Happens all the time.

6. Alternative medicine is often bogus... some of it is good, and some of it is crap... it isn't all good or bad.


Sometimes the medical establishment really DOES protect the public from BAD alternative medicine.

However, sometimes through lack of information, or through bias, the medical establishment prevents the acceptance or use of powerful and simple medicines.

* I can give REAL EXAMPLES of simple natural medicines which are used BY LICENSED DOCTORS ALL OVER THE WORLD... but which are illegal in the U.S.
* Sometimes the Pharmaceutical companies just lobbying to keep things out which they don't control.

7. I think most licensed doctors have only the best intentions... but they only know what they are taught, and even the medical journals have been proven, in congress, to often contain false information.

- Medical Doctors probably do have the best intentions for their patients... but they do not create or control the information they are fed by the resources they most trust.
- Their minds are filled with brilliant and life saving knowledge... and it's mixed with a bit of rubbish here and there also.





* This could go on and on forever, it's an endless subject.

* I personally think EACH INDIVIDUAL is responsible for his own health, and should be studious, investigative, and skeptical, regarding ALL treatments prescribed by ANYONE.




 
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good post Max,

and 'sharing' from 'trial & error' is such a precious thing to do, no cost to the reader/listener...
 

JosephsDreams

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"3. The medical profession, like all professions, has MONETARY REASONS to promote ONLY IT'S OWN LICENSED PRACTITIONERS, and ONLY IT'S OWN PREFERRED METHODS.

All professions do this.

All professions have always done this."

Good post. But the above is not a valid comparison.
They take an oath. Human lives are at stake.
They are held to a higher standard. The priority should be on what gets the best long term and short term results, not profits, like other commercial enterprises.
 

maxwel

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"3. The medical profession, like all professions, has MONETARY REASONS to promote ONLY IT'S OWN LICENSED PRACTITIONERS, and ONLY IT'S OWN PREFERRED METHODS.

All professions do this.

All professions have always done this."

Good post. But the above is not a valid comparison.
They take an oath. Human lives are at stake.
They are held to a higher standard. The priority should be on what gets the best long term and short term results, not profits, like other commercial enterprises.

JosephsDreams,

I wasn't talking about how things "should be"...

I was talking about how things are.




For clarity:
1. I did not say all doctors prioritize things unethically.
2. I just said there are monetary reasons for this to occur.
3. I did not give a rate for this occurrence... I only stated that this occurrence exists, and that it has reasons.
4. We live in a world where things DO occur which should NOT occur... that is the nature of a fallen world.
 

JosephsDreams

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That's exactly my point.

So why are people giving them more respect then they are giving the public?
 

notmyown

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y'all must know some pretty bad docs...

i'm sorry. :(
 

notmyown

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You almost make it sound like there are good ones :rolleyes::confused::p:cool:

lol! :D

well, i know quite a few good ones, but all my doctors (and their doctor friends) are Christians. :)

the Lord guided me to them, and i am thankful.