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Actually, that's not what it says.
Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I Am the Lord.
It's saying two things: 1) Do not cut yourself for the dead. 2) Do not put any mark on you. The reason for not doing the two things is because He is the Lord.
Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I Am the Lord.
It's saying two things: 1) Do not cut yourself for the dead. 2) Do not put any mark on you. The reason for not doing the two things is because He is the Lord.
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You said "It says ...dont make any markings for the dead.....My Gods not dead." This would conclude that it is ok to put tattoos on you as long as you don't do it for the dead. But that is not what the scripture itself says. It says not to cut yourself for the dead. It goes on to say not to put any marking on you.
Most people that I know who believe it is ok to put tattoos on them use this arguement. But that's not what the scripture itself is saying. This is not to say that I agree or disagree with someone putting tattoos on themselves. I am still researching the word on that subject. But I believe it is important to accurately disect the scripture.
The cutting of oneself's was part of pagan ritual practices that was connected with the mourning for the dead. When someone had a loved one who passed away, they would cut themselves as a way to mourn for that person. The Israelites adopted this practice and God wanted them to abstain from it.
I am saying that cutting yourself for the dead and putting tattoos on you are two different things that the scripture talks about.
Most people that I know who believe it is ok to put tattoos on them use this arguement. But that's not what the scripture itself is saying. This is not to say that I agree or disagree with someone putting tattoos on themselves. I am still researching the word on that subject. But I believe it is important to accurately disect the scripture.
The cutting of oneself's was part of pagan ritual practices that was connected with the mourning for the dead. When someone had a loved one who passed away, they would cut themselves as a way to mourn for that person. The Israelites adopted this practice and God wanted them to abstain from it.
I am saying that cutting yourself for the dead and putting tattoos on you are two different things that the scripture talks about.
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Rosinsky,,,,,Im not arguing with you about what i believe ok. You disect the word your way, Ill do it my way, till then, Im not gonna come up in here and critisize the way you interpret something just to make myself look better, feel better whatever. Nor am I sayin hey ppl go get yourself a tattoo, im explaining WHY I have what I have. Notice i said I....im done,.
Rosinsky:
I agree with you that we must interpret Scripture carefully.
It's interesting also that the same chapter you refer to in Leviticus also says about men not trimming their beards. I am wondering if the context is Old Testament Jews in the land, under the law?
Figure also an example from daily life today, a lady who has a tattoo of her ex-bf's name, and she is converted, and now wants to put her past out of sight and mind, by changing the tattoo saying, eg, "Bill' to "Bible". In the circumstances, hard to criticize, I guess.
But good to see your contributions.
Take care.
I agree with you that we must interpret Scripture carefully.
It's interesting also that the same chapter you refer to in Leviticus also says about men not trimming their beards. I am wondering if the context is Old Testament Jews in the land, under the law?
Figure also an example from daily life today, a lady who has a tattoo of her ex-bf's name, and she is converted, and now wants to put her past out of sight and mind, by changing the tattoo saying, eg, "Bill' to "Bible". In the circumstances, hard to criticize, I guess.
But good to see your contributions.
Take care.
R
There is no need for you to be upset. It is something that the scripture does say and if you disagree that's fine. I am merely pointing it out to you and/or anyone else reading this forum. But understand that this is a discussion forum and when you post something, people (including me) will comment and discuss what you post.
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Farouk,
I really do not know. This is a topic I am currently studying myself. I used to be hardcore against tattoos, but I have found that to be more of a personal opinion than that of an accurate biblical interpretations. I am still against tattoos, but that is a personal opinion and not a biblical one. This is because I have not found enough convincing biblical evidences to make such a strong statement.
The main point in Leviticus was that God wanted the Israelite to refrain from participating in pagan's practices. I doubt that this was about the practices themselves. I think it was about the fact that they were pagan practice. We must ask ourselves, what are these practices today and what do they mean in our current culture.
About that lady, I don't think anyone should criticize her. I would not!
If tattoos are wrong biblically speaking, I would not approach it by telling people that "christians should not put tattoos on themselves," because God's way is to work on the inside and the outside would be affected by it.
I really do not know. This is a topic I am currently studying myself. I used to be hardcore against tattoos, but I have found that to be more of a personal opinion than that of an accurate biblical interpretations. I am still against tattoos, but that is a personal opinion and not a biblical one. This is because I have not found enough convincing biblical evidences to make such a strong statement.
The main point in Leviticus was that God wanted the Israelite to refrain from participating in pagan's practices. I doubt that this was about the practices themselves. I think it was about the fact that they were pagan practice. We must ask ourselves, what are these practices today and what do they mean in our current culture.
About that lady, I don't think anyone should criticize her. I would not!
If tattoos are wrong biblically speaking, I would not approach it by telling people that "christians should not put tattoos on themselves," because God's way is to work on the inside and the outside would be affected by it.
R
Absolutely!
God works through the inward and spiritual and the inward will be manifested on the outwards.
Matthew 23:25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish, and then the outside will become clean, too.
1 Samuel 16:7 - But the Lord said to Samuel, “Don’t judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
God works through the inward and spiritual and the inward will be manifested on the outwards.
Matthew 23:25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish, and then the outside will become clean, too.
1 Samuel 16:7 - But the Lord said to Samuel, “Don’t judge by his appearance or height, for I have rejected him. The Lord doesn’t see things the way you see them. People judge by outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
Rosinsky:
Good verses.
And so I guess by the same token, the question of whether someone has a tattoo or not, is hardly something to figure by.
I guess also that some people do get a faith related tattoo for the pragmatic reason of knowing they can lead to faith related conversations with other people.
Take care.
Good verses.
And so I guess by the same token, the question of whether someone has a tattoo or not, is hardly something to figure by.
I guess also that some people do get a faith related tattoo for the pragmatic reason of knowing they can lead to faith related conversations with other people.
Take care.
I personally think that the Christian or someone who matures in Christ begins to see their body as a Temple of the Spirit and be happy with themselves how they look and how they are. So the christian doesn't get a tattoo not because the bible forbids or doesn't forbid it, but simply because there is no need to get one and they don't want to put a permanent mark on the body which they believe belongs to God and made it as He made it to be.
I see putting tattoos on the body in the same way as putting graffiti on a public building. It's ugly, it's not necessary, it's hard to get off, and it's really devaluing the body which God wonderfully made. And I'd say there are probably similarities between people who feel the need to put marks on their body, and graffiti "artists" who feel the need to destroy a perfectly good piece of white-washed wall.
I see putting tattoos on the body in the same way as putting graffiti on a public building. It's ugly, it's not necessary, it's hard to get off, and it's really devaluing the body which God wonderfully made. And I'd say there are probably similarities between people who feel the need to put marks on their body, and graffiti "artists" who feel the need to destroy a perfectly good piece of white-washed wall.
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I agree that the "the question of whether someone has a tattoo or not, is hardly something to figure by." But my main point is that if tattoos are indeed wrong biblically speaking (not just because of personal opinions), then whether or not "some people do get a faith related tattoo for the pragmatic reason of knowing they can lead to faith related conversations with other people," because the bible says putting a tattoo on you is wrong.
Moreover, if indeed putting tattoos on you is wrong biblically, then approaching those who believe it's ok for them to put the tattoos on their bodies should not be "you should not put tattoos on you," because that would be the outward manifestation of an inward problem. The proper way, which I believe to the God's way, to approach this is to help this person in his walk with Christ and then God himself will fix the inside problem which will later on manifest on the outside.
This does not just apply to tattoos but to all type of wrong doings.
Moreover, if indeed putting tattoos on you is wrong biblically, then approaching those who believe it's ok for them to put the tattoos on their bodies should not be "you should not put tattoos on you," because that would be the outward manifestation of an inward problem. The proper way, which I believe to the God's way, to approach this is to help this person in his walk with Christ and then God himself will fix the inside problem which will later on manifest on the outside.
This does not just apply to tattoos but to all type of wrong doings.
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