Some Christian doctrines teach and believe in eternal security or 'once saved, always saved' aspect of salvation. If this is true, then are there any indications that this same doctrine existed in the time before Christs' death and resurrection? In other words, in the time span of the Old testament? Remember that God is not a respecter of persons and shows no partiality toward men. Is the eternal security doctrine man contrived or God generated?
Both are true. Just as Jesus can say to His disciples that Lazarus is sleeping, and then say that Lazarus is dead (speaking according to the manner of men)....So can God say that we were saved because the foreknowledge and predestination of God does exist....the thing is....
1 Corinthians 10:11-13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]
11 [/SUP]Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. [SUP]
12 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God
is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear
it.
Acts 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
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1 Peter 1:2
elect according to the
foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did
predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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Romans 8:30
Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
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Ephesians 1:5
having
predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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Ephesians 1:11
in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being
predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Yet...shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid.
The goal is to speak the Word of God/Yeshua/Jesus Christ of Nazareth in our actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words, and also in the unity of sincere love. God knows His, but we may not yet know we are His at times, or think we go back and forth. Paul said that if we do that which we do not want to do, it is no longer I who does it, but sin that dwells in me, in the flesh. There are more than one identity in us at times. Jesus directed words at Peter....Satan, and Paul directed a rebuke at Peter after Acts chapter 1-4. This is how the following is true...because of two identities...till the old man is completely gone, and any other spirits with us and having an affect on us.
Hopefully you will be able to see the two identities in this passage.
1 John 3:8-10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]
8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]
9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [SUP]
10 [/SUP]In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.