What Paul taught other than romans 8:1 lol

[miknik5]

and yet the one who does no work, but believes in the One who justifies the ungodly -- this man's faith is accounted to him as righteousness.

we can't sit and judge one another; we have no basis for it -- Matthew 7:17-19 is very much the truth, but the Lord has declared that a thing which happens in the heart, that no man sees but God, is also the fruit of a good tree.

what you quoted is very much the truth, but it is not a basis for judging one another. that remains the sole prerogative of the Lord.

Scriptureplz,

I am posting off Posthuman's post because I don't know how to bring the both quotes in and still reply to you:

You said:
Righteous is as righteous does but those who claim CHRIST'S RIGHTEOUSNESS will do exactly what posthuman has said.

Please take a look at Abraham and Lot and understand that Abraham left the men who had gone to battle with him to GOD...and would not turn any man over to the wrong king. Rather, righteous Abraham said, let each man receive his portion

As well, Lot knew the sins of the people and he was grieved in his heart...but he sat outside the gates to turn newcomers away from coming into the town and did not even take matters into his own hands...even if he was righteous in the sight of GOD by his conduct, he understood that he has no right to take matters into his own hands and go above GOD'S RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Let's put it also with these scriptures then:

1John 2...
And we can also question why James even says to pray for those who are not in good health and IF they have sinned, they shall be forgiven...
Or as well, why James 5:13-20 is spoken to a believing body of which there might be those who have sinned?


And why is it written, if anyone says he is without sin, the TRUTH is not in him?


I do not condone sin..it isn't something that anyone wants to fall back into...but there are some who are weak and our work(if we claim to be spiritual giants is to restore our weaker brother...

But there is a catch, sir...it is WHEN WE SEE OUR BROTHER/SISTER sin, when we see it...not to go and accuse them of it until we see it.

Are you professing yourself?
Or are you professing that others are sinners and you are not?

What are you "boasting" in?

Those who have been saved do not have any sin present in their spirit as their spirit is one with His Spirit and cannot be in the presence of sin.

Romans 3:10 (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

(in the flesh)



1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


1 John 3:9 (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


(This is referring to the spirit. What is "born of God"? The spirit)

 

[miknik5]

Those who have been saved do not have any sin present in their spirit as their spirit is one with His Spirit and cannot be in the presence of sin.

Romans 3:10 (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

(in the flesh)



1 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.


1 John 3:9 (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


(This is referring to the spirit. What is "born of God"? The spirit)

Thank GOD for that further confirmation, sir!

Did you think that those who are born of HIS SPIRIT did not KNOW that they were born of HIS SPIRIT?

Because if you will remember, John already addresses that this anointing is real...
And it is...which is why no man needs to teach us "KNOW THE LORD"...

And yes, I know what THE SPIRIT and the spirit are...
And I know that once HE breathes on us and says ,receive the HOLY SPIRIT...those whom HE has breathed on, KNOW HE has breathed on them and given them of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT>

And I also know that water baptism is quite different from THE BAPTISM which is from GOD...which no man can either deter or bring on BUT GOD...

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Righteous is as righteous does, evil is as evil does.

Matthew 7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Amen, and speaking also of the fruit of the Spirit it says,

Ephes 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

And of Christ in the same (as he is righteous) John says,

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

And especially since it shows we also are being filled with the fruits of the same by him here

Phil 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Confirming also what Jesus said, that herein (in bearing much fruit) is His Father is glorified likewise,

John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

John also says dont be deceived in this very thing.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous

 

[Grace777x70]

If we are talking about "deeds of righteousness" now.

This below is the difference between "works righteousness" and faith righteousness for salvation. ( as in going to be with the Lord when we die )

In the Old - you "did in order to get" In the New Covenant " you believe in order to receive" what Christ has already done. It's called the "word of faith" and it's enacted by speaking.

This is where works-based salvationists have a hard time with the gospel of the grace of Christ alone for salvation. They are mixing the covenants up and trying to do things in order to get and maintain salvation.

The pure gospel of the grace of Christ is offensive to this mindset and thus they need to do things in order to establish and maintain their own righteousness for salvation just like it was commanded in the Old Covenant.

In the New Covenant we receive Christ's righteousness because we believe NOT because "we do deeds of righteousness".

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".

Here is how righteousness is manifested to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!

This "righteousness " that we already have now in our new creation ( the inner man ) is because we are in Christ - will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.

The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21[/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Thank GOD for that further confirmation, sir!

Did you think that those who are born of HIS SPIRIT did not KNOW that they were born of HIS SPIRIT?

Because if you will remember, John already addresses that this anointing is real...
And it is...which is why no man needs to teach us "KNOW THE LORD"...

And yes, I know what THE SPIRIT and the spirit are...
And I know that once HE breathes on us and says ,receive the HOLY SPIRIT...those whom HE has breathed on, KNOW HE has breathed on them and given them of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT>

And I also know that water baptism is quite different from THE BAPTISM which is from GOD...which no man can either deter or bring on BUT GOD...

Your comment has nothing to do with mine which was pointing out that the spirit of a saved man cannot sin because he is made one with the Spirit of God.

 

[Oncefallen]

There is some hi-jacking of the thread going on in here now.....

In sticking with the Op and Romans 8:1..what does condemnation look like?..does it come in accusation words?..any thoughts on this anyone?

Sometimes I wonder if anyone who regularly posts in BDF actually reads OP's and thread titles before they jump into their pet doctrinal dissertations, factional attacks, and accusing others of derailing threads. (No, this comment is not ONLY directed at Grace, he just happened to be the one who gave the perfect example.)

The thread title is "What Paul taught OTHER THAN Romans 8:1," and the OP specifically contains passages OTHER THAN Romans 8:1. So, in reality, the one who is complaining about thread hijacking here is actually the one who hijacked it by posting none other than Romans 8:1-10.

 

[followjesus]

"so to put that in other words it doesn't matter how we live, because our spirit is born again?"

You can believe what the bible says or not, it's up to you. Salvation is a free gift and is not contingent on how a person lives their life. You try to make it sound like the realization of this truth makes people want to run out and live like hell. I want to live for Him and do as best as I am enabled through His grace. Maybe you really don't understand the bible? I'm not trying to criticize you, I'm serious. You have to believe Gods truth, not make up your own truth.

Romans 5:18 (KJV)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

galatians 5:16-21 "So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

same Guy by the same spirit wrote these same things in most all of his letters. again, does how we live matter ? or will you cling to romans 8:1 and assume the rest of Gods word doesn't apply? yes indeed it matters GREATLY, how a person Lives. God has been giving warnings since the beginning of creation. sin is death, obedience is life. He is not to be ignored. all the way through revelation He makes it very clear, those who refuse to live by His righteousness will not inherit their part in His kingdom. please do understand the people in hell are not going to die, they will also be alive eternally. the difference is as scripture makes clear they will live eternally in torment and never be satisfied with even a drip of water on the tongue. eternal life doesn't mean eternal life in Gods presence. those in Hell are alive to suffer, because they chose to follow the spirit of Satan. those alive in Gods presence chose to follow Gods spirit. they will be glorified with Jesus. Hell was created for satan and His angels, the reason we are to be born again is if we are not, we are united with satans spirit which is going to be in eternal torment, along with those who choose to serve Him and share in His work. sorry to offend your doctrine, but Gods word is true. there is a hell, many people will go their not by Gods will, but by the will of the one they follow and love. doctrines that deny the reality of what God makes very clear from the beginning to end, are gathering souls of their own free will because they refuse the gift of righteousness given by Grace. so if paul who said the one scripture you have taken hold of their also says the way we live has a great part in whether we inherit Gods kingdom. How do you justify that hopw we live has no effect on it? see the doctrines fault? its built on a phrase here and there, but must deny the vast amounts of scripture plain and clear to be "true" the doctrine of grace alone that is spreading through the world is just another clever lie from Gods enemy, and our enemy. the life we live has everything to do with salvation. People act as if Jesus isn't the one sending the judgements, the fire and brimstone in revelation. who is the lamb if not Jesus? who is it that is opening the seals and commanding the angels to distribute Gods wrath if not Jesus?

There is an open door for anyone who accepts the Lords grace, the Grace given in His Son. that door will be closed soon for those who refuse to accept Him. Not only that He exists, but that He is the Lord. its not love to let false destructive doctrine consume souls. if you are offended by the scriptures that don't agree with the feel good things, maybe just avoid the scriptures that are clear and choose to hold to the others. I and others who see, will accept what God says to be the truth regardless of popular false doctrines bent on turning people from Gods word by plucking a few verses and denying the rest. Not me though. so just a heads up, I'm not willing to deny Jesus, Not willing to deny Gods truth even if it convicts someone that they NEED to live right. scripture is all from God.

 

[posthuman]

I am posting off Posthuman's post because I don't know how to bring the both quotes in and still reply to you:

ooh! ooh! i'll inform you!

you can multi-quote several posts at the same time. i don't know what the limit is. for simplicity, this is how you would do two of them.

first, on the first post you want to quote, hit this button



((do this same thing for as many additional posts))

then, on the last post you want to quote, hit this button



notice that there's a check mark on the first button -- that's what the additional posts should have, because you clicked 'multi-quote' on them. it won't make any difference on the last post you quote whether it's checked or not.

lastly, you'll probably want to use the "go advanced" button instead of using "quick reply"



this lets you preview what your post will look like, so you can make sure you got the right quotes, and can edit out whichever parts of them you didn't nec. want to reference, etc. from the advanced posting screen, you can use the preview button as many times as you want before submitting the post.



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[crossnote]

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:24-27)

The way some talk, Jesus does all the 'running', 'striving', 'fighting', 'subjecting the body' for us and we just watch the show

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

ooh! ooh! i'll inform you!

you can multi-quote several posts at the same time. i don't know what the limit is. for simplicity, this is how you would do two of them.

first, on the first post you want to quote, hit this button

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And if after doing this you have problems posting because stuff you've multi-quoted before appears in other reply windows, go clear out your cookies.

 

[Grace777x70]

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:24-27)

The way some talk, Jesus all does the 'running', 'striving', 'fighting', 'subjecting the body' for us and we just watch the show

Amen...we definitely participate in what He is doing in and through us as He bears His fruit in us - the branches as He is the Vine that supplies the life "sap".

I think this is where Phil 2:13 comes into play. He gives us both the "will" and the ability "to do". It is Him working in us and He will get all the glory.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:24-27)

The way some talk, Jesus does all the 'running', 'striving', 'fighting', 'subjecting the body' for us and we just watch the show

What like yank the blue verse (#2) out of its place and happily set it into the "encouraging threads" while leaving out the verse before it (#1) and after it #4 (speaking of sin and striving against it)?

Heb.12

[1] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us,and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, (delete)
[2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
[3] For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
[4]Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.(delete)

 

[posthuman]

Scriptureplz,

I am posting off Posthuman's post because I don't know how to bring the both quotes in and still reply to you:

ooh! ooh! i'll inform you!
. . .

okay i just tried this and it seems that multi-quoting automatically takes you to the advanced posting menu.
i forgot that boo. -- but that's a good thing that it does! yay!

((and btw -- i put miknik's quote inside mine just by some fancy cut-n-paste work))

And if after doing this you have problems posting because stuff you've multi-quoted before appears in other reply windows, go clear out your cookies.

yes, sir!



and (urp!) thanks!

 

[mailmandan]

Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
(1Co 9:24-27)

The way some talk, Jesus does all the 'running', 'striving', 'fighting', 'subjecting the body' for us and we just watch the show

Man certainly does the running, but what is this prize? 1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.

That sounds like an Olympic race and receiving the gold medal. All the runners run, but only one receives the gold medal. What about those who receive a silver medal or bronze medal or no medal but still cross the finish line? Are they disqualified for the prize (gold medal) or from the Olympics?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

what you quoted is very much the truth, but it is not a basis for judging one another. that remains the sole prerogative of the Lord.

That is why so many congregations are in the sad shape they are in today, because they do not judge righteous judgment by the words of God. They put no difference between the holy and the profane, and thus they have become congregations of sinners not holy saints.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

 

[miknik5]

Your comment has nothing to do with mine which was pointing out that the spirit of a saved man cannot sin because he is made one with the Spirit of God.

It has everything to do with everything.
If one is not born again through faith in THE SON of GOD who died so that we might be made alive to GOD a NEW CREATION in CHRIST, born of HIS LIFE-GIVING SPIRIT than one does NOT have the SPIRIT of GOD...

And the point is it's because this anointing IS REAL...that no man needs to concern himself with HIS SHEEP...because HIS SHEEP have heard HIS VOICE and they listen to HIM...

I suggest you read 1John 2

 

[crossnote]

Amen...we definitely participate in what He is doing in and through us as He bears His fruit in us - the branches as He is the Vine that supplies the life "sap".

I think this is where Phil 2:13 comes into play. He gives us both the "will" and the ability "to do". It is Him working in us and He will get all the glory.

Philippians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Yes and that 'participating' can take the form of 'striving' and 'working' hopefully without being called legalistic.

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
(1Co 15:10)

 

[crossnote]

Man certainly does the running, but what is this prize? 1 Corinthians 9:24 - Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.

That sounds like an Olympic race and receiving the gold medal. All the runners run, but only one receives the gold medal. What about those who receive a silver medal or bronze medal or no medal but still cross the finish line? Are they disqualified for the prize (gold medal) or from the Olympics?

Run 'in such a way' as to receive 1st place. IOW give it our all.

 

[miknik5]

That is why so many congregations are in the sad shape they are in today, because they do not judge righteous judgment by the words of God. They put no difference between the holy and the profane, and thus they have become congregations of sinners not holy saints.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 "I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

I'm not sure I agree.
I believe the Church doesn't do enough to actually KNOW its members to even make ANY judgement at all concerning what is "clean" or needs to be "cleaned"...

That is why there are many who are, if you will just note it, sorrowful, while others are simply taking up pew space and don't even know the sorry state that they are in by their confidence that they have outwardly done their duty and their outward visible profession of who they say they belong to before the eyes of men.

No one seems to be being fed properly.

And you want to judge everyone not knowing their circumstance and state already?
First, get to know them and see what their struggles are and remind them to press on and persevere and rest...don't actively do as if active doing is what is required.

Be peaceful and be at peace with all men as much as it is in our ability to do it...live quiet lives.
Too many think they have to run around amassing to themselves these elaborate works and don't even stop long enough to look and see the "work" in front of them in restoring men and women to THE TRUTH of THEIR GREAT SALVATION which is in and by and through HIM alone.

There are those who are lagging behind, there are those who do not know as they should know, there are those full of sorrow because they haven't done as much as they see their older stronger brothers and sisters doing, and there are those who profess they have done this and that and that and this.

You have no understanding that some saints watch the busy work of other saints and want so badly to do what they do...
When they don't even understand they are just as important and necessary to....and here it is, sir...

THE EDIFICATION and BUILDING UP of....................

ONE BODY...
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Not many...


ONE.

HIS BODY


May we never forget to understand that our service, however great or however little it may be is in service to the ONE whom we inwardly and outwardly claim to LOVE...

And remember, that is NOT hidden from HIS EYES...