Who are the friends or enemies of the Living God?
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What is funny to me is to think we are not strangers here to these arguments.
And the audience is not some greater crowd, it is just us.
There is some real irony here. It seems the expression and loyalties run deeper than I previously thought, so it is illuminating.
What was encouraging was embers lament that the church is becoming more aware of the hyper-grace insanity.
I would hope they are becoming more aware of love and the way love empowers righteousness, which is my hearts desire.
And the audience is not some greater crowd, it is just us.
There is some real irony here. It seems the expression and loyalties run deeper than I previously thought, so it is illuminating.
What was encouraging was embers lament that the church is becoming more aware of the hyper-grace insanity.
I would hope they are becoming more aware of love and the way love empowers righteousness, which is my hearts desire.
E
No Peter, legalists do this, so they can look religious, and live in sin also (although they deny living in sin.)
WHo made you righteous. You and your good deeds, Or Christ and his one great deed?
Yep.And in gods court, all have sinned, are sinning, and will sin, And fall short of Gods glory.
You have been shows so many examples by so many people that it boggles the mind how you can still say these things you do.
As EG and so many people have proven, YOU DO
Nope. I was trying to correct a smear.
That would be you my friend, as you have stated on many occasions.
Thats funny, coming from a guy who lynches people all the time with false accusations..
Who teaches we can continue in sen, Please, with your false allegations.. STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHo made you righteous. You and your good deeds, Or Christ and his one great deed?
Yep.And in gods court, all have sinned, are sinning, and will sin, And fall short of Gods glory.
You have been shows so many examples by so many people that it boggles the mind how you can still say these things you do.
As EG and so many people have proven, YOU DO
Nope. I was trying to correct a smear.
That would be you my friend, as you have stated on many occasions.
Thats funny, coming from a guy who lynches people all the time with false accusations..
Who teaches we can continue in sen, Please, with your false allegations.. STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E
Hyper grace does not teach what you all accuse it of. That is what started this nonsense of the past few days.. People want to lie about a group of people. then get mad when people confront them with the truth.
it is not just us, the whole worlds sees it, do you realize how many people visit this room daily, yet never sign in.. or comment..
That evil thread thankfully got closed.. But the crap still continues.. Maybe one day it will stop. But I am losing faith..
it is not just us, the whole worlds sees it, do you realize how many people visit this room daily, yet never sign in.. or comment..
That evil thread thankfully got closed.. But the crap still continues.. Maybe one day it will stop. But I am losing faith..
This comes from a book I am reading......
"Now, darkness has many tools but the greatest of them is fear. As a Christian, I believe that Hell has been harrowed, conquered, overcome, and emptied. This was the view of the early church. Jesus, in his death, has exposed the principalities and powers (Col 2:12-15) and, according to some traditions, after his death, went to Hell and broke down its gates and led humanity out of the grip of the satan and darkness. Nevertheless, as we walked up the firebreak to our place of meditation I could discern a very real presence that was not goodness or light, it was something else altogether.
We sat down as a class and began our meditation. The darkness of the night amplified the darkness of the place. I sat with a quiet mind and heart, and then suddenly saw a dark, caped figure coming toward the group. What was this? Could I be hallucinating or projecting? Perhaps. Perhaps I was actually seeing/sensing something else. Our group then dispersed so that we were no longer in a protective circle. I picked a spot a ways away from others and turned so I could not see anyone, only the darkness of the forest.
After a few minutes the ground began to beat bright red, as though I was seeing the beating heart of hell. For some reason Psalm 22 came to my mind. Psalm 22 is about the victimization of the innocent. I sensed the presence of innocent life snuffed out for no reason at all in this unholy place. I could “hear” screaming and crying, pleading and begging. Out of the darkness wild dogs jumped at me, snarling and dripping saliva from their fangs. I held my ground and refused to look away, I refused to be afraid. They seemed to melt away in mid-leap. It was then I began to recall the horrors of the Nazi death camps and the hell that had been created on earth in Eastern Europe. I knew that hell existed, that it was created by humans, and that its only power was human power: power for destruction and death."
Do you think this guy has been reading our forum?
"Now, darkness has many tools but the greatest of them is fear. As a Christian, I believe that Hell has been harrowed, conquered, overcome, and emptied. This was the view of the early church. Jesus, in his death, has exposed the principalities and powers (Col 2:12-15) and, according to some traditions, after his death, went to Hell and broke down its gates and led humanity out of the grip of the satan and darkness. Nevertheless, as we walked up the firebreak to our place of meditation I could discern a very real presence that was not goodness or light, it was something else altogether.
We sat down as a class and began our meditation. The darkness of the night amplified the darkness of the place. I sat with a quiet mind and heart, and then suddenly saw a dark, caped figure coming toward the group. What was this? Could I be hallucinating or projecting? Perhaps. Perhaps I was actually seeing/sensing something else. Our group then dispersed so that we were no longer in a protective circle. I picked a spot a ways away from others and turned so I could not see anyone, only the darkness of the forest.
After a few minutes the ground began to beat bright red, as though I was seeing the beating heart of hell. For some reason Psalm 22 came to my mind. Psalm 22 is about the victimization of the innocent. I sensed the presence of innocent life snuffed out for no reason at all in this unholy place. I could “hear” screaming and crying, pleading and begging. Out of the darkness wild dogs jumped at me, snarling and dripping saliva from their fangs. I held my ground and refused to look away, I refused to be afraid. They seemed to melt away in mid-leap. It was then I began to recall the horrors of the Nazi death camps and the hell that had been created on earth in Eastern Europe. I knew that hell existed, that it was created by humans, and that its only power was human power: power for destruction and death."
Do you think this guy has been reading our forum?
Wow, PJ! Blasted accusation. What are you implying?! Why don't you come right out and say it?
You know, more than just the 3 names you mentioned, but many ppl here believe in salvation by God's grace thru faith in Christ alone, and it being a done deal, because of what Jesus did, not thru any works of our own, yet we don't all agree on different teachers out there......
some of us don't have much experience with Joseph Prince, for example...or Joyce Meyers or some of the others that get mentioned here from time to time. I personally don't like to pass judgement on 'preachers', for or against, that aren't here to defend themselves
And some of us don't like money-preachers on TV, or don't associate with the 'Word of Faith' teachers, seeing a sadness if ppl are told they aren't healed or don't receive money because they lack faith.
But, just because a few evangelists twist salvation by grace into their own form of doctrines, doesn't mean that all the ppl HERE do the same,
and you've named 3 brothers/sisters IN CHRIST, and once again thrown them out of the family of God. Terribly sad, PJ.
I know many more I want to name, who believe in the grace of God, and I don't agree with some of the things that they believe, so what, but I cherish them as my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
There are some women on here that I have been moved to tears or had my heart filled with joy by the things I've read, and I've struggled with the scriptures about 'women teaching', but so be it, because I've learned things and am so grateful for the love and grace they've shown my way, but I won't name them now, it's not necessary at this time....
And there's been some men here...REAL men of faith, that I've received instruction and encouragement from, but we wouldn't see eye to eye on certain teachers outside this website. So?
So what?!
We're still brothers in Christ, because the same Jesus that paid for my sins...ALL my sins, paid for theirs, too...ALL theirs,
and it's getting really wearying the way you, and certain others here, continue to take people who obviously only want to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ, and help others be set free and saved by faith in Him, keep throwing them out as if they're not even saved themselves at all.
What, really, is your good news, PJ?
What is the message you're trying to convey that we
should all believe and rejoice in
as a family of brothers and sisters?
You know, more than just the 3 names you mentioned, but many ppl here believe in salvation by God's grace thru faith in Christ alone, and it being a done deal, because of what Jesus did, not thru any works of our own, yet we don't all agree on different teachers out there......
some of us don't have much experience with Joseph Prince, for example...or Joyce Meyers or some of the others that get mentioned here from time to time. I personally don't like to pass judgement on 'preachers', for or against, that aren't here to defend themselves
And some of us don't like money-preachers on TV, or don't associate with the 'Word of Faith' teachers, seeing a sadness if ppl are told they aren't healed or don't receive money because they lack faith.
But, just because a few evangelists twist salvation by grace into their own form of doctrines, doesn't mean that all the ppl HERE do the same,
and you've named 3 brothers/sisters IN CHRIST, and once again thrown them out of the family of God. Terribly sad, PJ.
I know many more I want to name, who believe in the grace of God, and I don't agree with some of the things that they believe, so what, but I cherish them as my brothers and sisters in the Lord.
There are some women on here that I have been moved to tears or had my heart filled with joy by the things I've read, and I've struggled with the scriptures about 'women teaching', but so be it, because I've learned things and am so grateful for the love and grace they've shown my way, but I won't name them now, it's not necessary at this time....
And there's been some men here...REAL men of faith, that I've received instruction and encouragement from, but we wouldn't see eye to eye on certain teachers outside this website. So?
So what?!
We're still brothers in Christ, because the same Jesus that paid for my sins...ALL my sins, paid for theirs, too...ALL theirs,
and it's getting really wearying the way you, and certain others here, continue to take people who obviously only want to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ, and help others be set free and saved by faith in Him, keep throwing them out as if they're not even saved themselves at all.
What, really, is your good news, PJ?
What is the message you're trying to convey that we
should all believe and rejoice in
as a family of brothers and sisters?
Let me break this paragraph down. Peter you are lying and know nothing it is crap.
As I said before this is just expressing an opinion. Imagine being an examiner. Well done EG you said your opinion but where is the content. Content is actually everything, conclusions rely on content or else it is you who could be lying.
Hyper-grace general beliefs though people vary in degrees
1. All future sin is forgiven on faith
2. Faith is not a choice you are given it
3. You can never loose salvation once given
4. Your flesh wars with your new heart given from heaven
5. The law is only to show failure, and is never a guide or useful
6. Legalists are evil burdening people with self condemnation
7. The Lord only encourages with love and acceptance
8. Satans work is condemnation and conviction of sin
9. Jesus spoke to Israel only
10. Only some parts of the new testament are written to the church
11. Jesus is our focus, sin consciousness is wrong
12. The Holy Spirit and your conscience do not convict of sin, that is the enemy
13. A believer cannot walk in righteousness and purity
14. We are judged on our works not sins
15. Repentance is only agreeing with God
16. Christians do not confess sin
This is the list of items, from the past discussions etc.
12 appears to have been withdrawn by some.
13 For some this might be possible, others say it is irrelevant
14 Some seem to hold to this, while others do not
5 Many have said this is so important even to discuss the law is to bring condemnation on people.
So reading the sermon on the mount is evil, openning your self to satan.
Now I could go deeper. Now if I have got in general terms this wrong, fine. This is a summary.
Now I would respect people if they actually gave content. But unfortunately this is not a christian desiring to walk in the light but a worker who wishes only to abuse and slander. But the audience do not care because they hate the message and the messenger, so they deserve all they get.
As I said before this is just expressing an opinion. Imagine being an examiner. Well done EG you said your opinion but where is the content. Content is actually everything, conclusions rely on content or else it is you who could be lying.
Hyper-grace general beliefs though people vary in degrees
1. All future sin is forgiven on faith
2. Faith is not a choice you are given it
3. You can never loose salvation once given
4. Your flesh wars with your new heart given from heaven
5. The law is only to show failure, and is never a guide or useful
6. Legalists are evil burdening people with self condemnation
7. The Lord only encourages with love and acceptance
8. Satans work is condemnation and conviction of sin
9. Jesus spoke to Israel only
10. Only some parts of the new testament are written to the church
11. Jesus is our focus, sin consciousness is wrong
12. The Holy Spirit and your conscience do not convict of sin, that is the enemy
13. A believer cannot walk in righteousness and purity
14. We are judged on our works not sins
15. Repentance is only agreeing with God
16. Christians do not confess sin
This is the list of items, from the past discussions etc.
12 appears to have been withdrawn by some.
13 For some this might be possible, others say it is irrelevant
14 Some seem to hold to this, while others do not
5 Many have said this is so important even to discuss the law is to bring condemnation on people.
So reading the sermon on the mount is evil, openning your self to satan.
Now I could go deeper. Now if I have got in general terms this wrong, fine. This is a summary.
Now I would respect people if they actually gave content. But unfortunately this is not a christian desiring to walk in the light but a worker who wishes only to abuse and slander. But the audience do not care because they hate the message and the messenger, so they deserve all they get.