Fundamentalist Thread

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Purple111583

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#81
Well Robo I believe in every last one of those on your list. So I guess that makes me a fundamentalist then. I am so glad that I am not the only one that believes this way. Thank you for the checklist I really needed that.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#82
What? I'm sorry I don't understand this question.

I also don't understand why people have to make simple things so complicated. Why is it so hard to believe that God created the earth in six literal days? Why, if we can believe in God, believe he died and rose again, believe he was born of a virgin mother, why can't we believe that he created the world in six days. I find this hard to dispute...it's right there in Genesis for us all to read.

I'm not saying He CAN'T do it, I'm saying I think he took is time. I am sure He loved creating everything, so why would He be in such a hurry?
 
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iraasuup

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#83
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Which part of that is unclear? He created everything in 6 literal days, it expressly reads 'and there was evening, and there was morning - the first day' and so on up to day 6.


Then it says :


2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.


So he spent the first six days creating everything, then he rested on the seventh day- and blessed it and made it holy.

I'm not making this stuff up, read it for yourself. It doesn't say anywhere

And there was evening, and there was morning thousands of years later- the next millenium... NO... IT WAS THE NEXT DAY!
 
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Israel

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#84
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Which part of that is unclear? He created everything in 6 literal days, it expressly reads 'and there was evening, and there was morning - the first day' and so on up to day 6.


Then it says :


2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.


So he spent the first six days creating everything, then he rested on the seventh day- and blessed it and made it holy.

I'm not making this stuff up, read it for yourself. It doesn't say anywhere

And there was evening, and there was morning thousands of years later- the next millenium... NO... IT WAS THE NEXT DAY!
Then do you obey the weekly Sabbath?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#85
did god create light stars/ sun whatever it as) and darkness on the 0th day then?
 
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iraasuup

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#86
did god create light stars/ sun whatever it as) and darkness on the 0th day then?
Have you even read Genesis?

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day


Nope, clearly He created stars and sun on the fourth day.
 
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Israel

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#88

God said His weekly Sabbath is a perpetual covenant. On the seventh day we are to rest from our works and all who defile the Sabbath by working will be cut off from among his people. This commandment was so important to God, He included it in His moral law. Do you cease from your work on the Sabbath?
 
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iraasuup

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#89
I'm not saying He CAN'T do it, I'm saying I think he took is time. I am sure He loved creating everything, so why would He be in such a hurry?
What makes you think He was hurrying?

He is God - NOTHING is impossible for Him. Sure, to us it seems like creating the earth in six days is impossible, it's a BIG earth.. but for God it's not impossible. Who are we to doubt Him? Does it say anywhere that He rushed? No.

Seriously, if you don't want to believe what is clearly written in God's word, then that's your call, but don't go disputing it or trying to make me renounce it as fact.

The bible is the infallible truth, and I believe every word.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#90
Have you even read Genesis?

14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day


Nope, clearly He created stars and sun on the fourth day.

then HOW can there be what WE reckon as days BEFORE he made the stars? that just prooves his time is different from ours
 
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iraasuup

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#91
God said His weekly Sabbath is a perpetual covenant. On the seventh day we are to rest from our works and all who defile the Sabbath by working will be cut off from among his people. This commandment was so important to God, He included it in His moral law. Do you cease from your work on the Sabbath?
If by work you mean my place of employment.. then yes I obey the weekly Sabbath commandment.

However, I have been known to vaccuum the house or do a load of laundry on the Sabbath, does that count?
 
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iraasuup

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#92
then HOW can there be what WE reckon as days BEFORE he made the stars? that just prooves his time is different from ours
What?

So because He didn't make the stars first you dispute this fact?

He had to create light first in order for there to be distinguishable day and night. Once he created light and darkness (night and day) he created stars and sun...

I really am struggling to understand your logic here.. it's all written there and it makes clear sense.
 
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iraasuup

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#93
Since it appears that those arguing against a six day creation have not read the creation account in Genesis, here it is for you all to read for yourselves:

he Account of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[a] 2 The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day" and the darkness "night."

And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day.

6 Then God said, “Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth.” 7 And that is what happened. God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. 8 God called the space “sky.”
And evening passed and morning came, marking the second day.

9 Then God said, “Let the waters beneath the sky flow together into one place, so dry ground may appear.” And that is what happened. 10 God called the dry ground “land” and the waters “seas.” And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, “Let the land sprout with vegetation—every sort of seed-bearing plant, and trees that grow seed-bearing fruit. These seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came.” And that is what happened. 12 The land produced vegetation—all sorts of seed-bearing plants, and trees with seed-bearing fruit. Their seeds produced plants and trees of the same kind. And God saw that it was good.
13 And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.

14 Then God said, “Let lights appear in the sky to separate the day from the night. Let them mark off the seasons, days, and years. 15 Let these lights in the sky shine down on the earth.” And that is what happened. 16 God made two great lights—the larger one to govern the day, and the smaller one to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set these lights in the sky to light the earth, 18 to govern the day and night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And evening passed and morning came, marking the fourth day.

20 Then God said, “Let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that scurries and swarms in the water, and every sort of bird—each producing offspring of the same kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 Then God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply. Let the fish fill the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth.”
23 And evening passed and morning came, marking the fifth day.

24 Then God said, “Let the earth produce every sort of animal, each producing offspring of the same kind—livestock, small animals that scurry along the ground, and wild animals.” And that is what happened. 25 God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to produce offspring of the same kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”

27 So God created human beings[c] in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 Then God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground.”

29 Then God said, "Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food.30 And I have given every green plant as food for all the wild animals, the birds in the sky, and the small animals that scurry along the ground—everything that has life.” And that is what happened.
31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!
And evening passed and morning came, marking the sixth day.

Genesis 2

1 So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. 2 On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested[a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation.
4 This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth.

This is from the NLT in case you're wondering, but regardless of the translation you read, the fact remains, God created the earth in SIX days and on the SEVENTH day He rested.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#94
r. I KNOW genesis says six days, and if you read our replies further up, you will se WHY I thing He spent more than six days creating it all.

you are clearly refusing to read our arguments, so I won't bother to discuss this any furthe
 
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Israel

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#95
If by work you mean my place of employment.. then yes I obey the weekly Sabbath commandment.

However, I have been known to vaccuum the house or do a load of laundry on the Sabbath, does that count?

Numbers 15:32-35

And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

He only gathered sticks on the Sabbath day and was stoned for it. By the same letter you are upholding, could you also be cut off for vaccuuming the house on that day? And I am as unfortunate than you. I HAVE to work on Saturday. Am I breaking His commandment as well?
 
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iraasuup

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#96
How would you know if I've read them or not?

I've read them, whatever arguments you make, you can't deny what it says in the bible.

That's the only point I'm making. Believe what you want, you're going to anyway... but just remember you have to answer to God for your own choices, and I sure wouldn't want to explain to Him why I choose to only believe pieces of His word, or why I am doubting his capability to create the earth in 6 days...but good luck with that.
 
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iraasuup

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#97
Numbers 15:32-35

And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him. 35And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

He only gathered sticks on the Sabbath day and was stoned for it. By the same letter you are upholding, could you also be cut off for vaccuuming the house on that day? And I am as unfortunate than you. I HAVE to work on Saturday. Am I breaking His commandment as well?
I don't know, that's a valid question.

I have wondered the same thing myself. I guess we need to individually consult God on that matter, and see how He leads us. My husband was raised that you couldn't even go to the store and buy bread on the Sabbath, that you simply went to church and came home and rested with the family.

I'll admit I have purchased bread, but I haven't felt convicted by God not to, however if I was, I most certainly would stop.

Interesting thought isn't it?
 
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Israel

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#98
r. I KNOW genesis says six days, and if you read our replies further up, you will se WHY I thing He spent more than six days creating it all.

you are clearly refusing to read our arguments, so I won't bother to discuss this any furthe

We have to realize that the seventh day never ended. You can't find it anywhere in the Bible! The Bible says we were made in God's image. Our literal seven day week is also an image. By assuming that the seventh day ended in Genesis, we now begin to put God in OUR IMAGE! We are commanded not to add anything to His Word or He will add to us the curses contained in His word. We are also told not to make any graven image of God and yet we are guilty of it right from Genesis!
 
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didnt god on the 3rd day gave light on earth with then split day and night on earth given us our days (full rotation) so how did god know how long a day was before he gave days on earth
 
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iraasuup

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We have to realize that the seventh day never ended. You can't find it anywhere in the Bible! The Bible says we were made in God's image. Our literal seven day week is also an image. By assuming that the seventh day ended in Genesis, we now begin to put God in OUR IMAGE! We are commanded not to add anything to His Word or He will add to us the curses contained in His word. We are also told not to make any graven image of God and yet we are guilty of it right from Genesis!
That seems like a valid argument. You are correct in saying the bible never mentions anywhere a specified ending of the seventh day, but then that opens up so many more questions like..

1) If the seventh day never ended are we to assume the present day we're living in is still a continuation of the seventh day?

2) If that is the case, then why did God decide to have specific start and end periods for the first six days?

3) If we're living in a continuation of the seventh day, then why do we still have nightfall, and sunrise? Why wouldn't we just be in continual daylight? I mean if the sun came up on the seventh day, and the day never ended, then shouldn't it be constant daylight? The bible says God created the sun and the moon and light and darkness to separate day from night. So if the day never ended, why do we need to separate it from any other day?