Is There a War on Women?

peacenik · Jun 7, 2016

to quote myself,

"This is a forum, not part of a history curriculum." I meant to add that I regret that because it is a forum, there isn't more time or space to go into further details as I would like.

Somehow, I forgot to add that line and hope that my post's opening sentence would not sound so abrupt as it came out. Well, it is late at night and for some reason, I have gotten a cold so I'm not at my best at the moment. - but that's just an excuse

laura_charlotte · Jun 9, 2016

Ingerlund said:

That's another good example of ignorance or lack of education. If only the problem with the war on women finished up 80 years ago, unfortunately it didn't. There are many issues that women face today as a result. I'll go back to 70's. There was the women's and girls section in the employment pages and then the men boys very much distinct. The male section had far more opportunity and more job offers than that of the women's. Not only were they discriminated against because of their gender from typically 'male' jobs, but what was on offer was very limited.

I think you need to educate yourself about what women have faced in history and in much more recent times. Don't allow this to be from a base of emotion, but from a fresh new schooling, one of empathy and knowledge, not bitterness and ignorance.

Billyd · Jun 10, 2016

laura_charlotte said:

My mother was faced with raising five children 8 to 15 when she was suddenly put in the role of single mom. She took on a job as a cook at a small restaurant and a cashier at a major department store. Three years later she was manager of that store. That was in the early sixties. My wife's mother was single when she was born. Faced with raising two daughters, she took on a job as a telephone operator. She retired forty-five years later. She managed the financial operations of that company for over thirty years. I can go on and on. Like my grandmother who managed the finances of the family farm. My aunt who managed a chain of stores in a major city. As late as fifty years ago, the average woman had one goal in their life. She planned to get married and raise a family. Today if a woman wants a role in management or leadership, she does the same thing that the women I mentioned above. She earns it.

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Jun 10, 2016

Billyd said:

My mother was faced with raising five children 8 to 15 when she was suddenly put in the role of single mom. She took on a job as a cook at a small restaurant and a cashier at a major department store. Three years later she was manager of that store. That was in the early sixties. My wife's mother was single when she was born. Faced with raising two daughters, she took on a job as a telephone operator. She retired forty-five years later. She managed the financial operations of that company for over thirty years. I can go on and on. Like my grandmother who managed the finances of the family farm. My aunt who managed a chain of stores in a major city. As late as fifty years ago, the average woman had one goal in their life. She planned to get married and raise a family. Today if a woman wants a role in management or leadership, she does the same thing that the women I mentioned above. She earns it.

A good many of us are single when we're born.

You wife's mother was single when your wife was born.

laura_charlotte · Jun 10, 2016

Billyd said:

That's really great if it only were actually true. Women experience still today many forms of prejudice in the workplace not just unequal pay but other challenges up against their male counterparts in order to get the same role. If only women had just 'earned' all their rights the way you describe the war on women wouldn't exist and the challenges they've face in history would never have been. I'll be sure to turn around and let women know who have been through all that and currently face it today that they just 'need to earn it'. That in a court case where their testimony, in numbers of women, doesn't quite add up as much as the influence of a male voice, that they just need to 'earn' it. If only the world had been and was still so fair and easy. It's not and certainly never has been. Women have faced huge challenges throughout history and many today. The first step is to be educated about this and acknowledge it as an ongoing issue.

Billyd · Jun 10, 2016

Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

You got me. What I type is not necessarily what I think.

Billyd · Jun 10, 2016

laura_charlotte said:

All things equal, should I hire/promote a man or a woman to fill one position? How do you make the final selection? Contrary to your belief, most companies are going to hire/promote the person most qualified for the job. It is your responsibility (male or female) to ensure that you the most qualified.

If you believe that you don't have to earn your way up the ladder, you are in for a long hard future.

laura_charlotte · Jun 10, 2016

Billyd said:

You've missed my point and the point of this thread entirely. Contrary to your ignorance many women who are more than qualified to take on positions are rejected. It's got absolutely nothing to do with them lacking in qualification, experience or any other kind of aptitude and everything to do with gender prejudice. i.e: the point of this thread. Not whether or not they're qualified, I thought you would've moved beyond that point to the slightly more obvious understanding of the discussion.

I mentioned a few posts earlier how in the 70's there was the women and girls section in the employment part of the newspaper which didn't trouble the editor for column issues nearly as much the jobs on offer for men and boys. Women aren't abdicating responsibility of ensuring they're qualified, it's the prejudice they face in the fields because of their gender that is the issue.

Billyd said:

If you don't acknowledge and understand completely what women have been through in the past and what they face today just in the workforce prejudice alone, I can see why you've come out with the statements you have. I've done volunteer work within my field, completed years of study in early childhood and special needs. I then moved on to my four year primary teaching degree and have been working in the field for many years. One of the most dominant factors in my field that i've personally encountered is that in leadership positions within education i.e. principle of the school, is that it is absolutely dominated by men.

The incredibly ignorant reason as you stated has got nothing to do with women who haven't met the same requirements but it has everything to do with gender prejudice. By and large men are considered for leadership roles much more than women are deemed capable much less considered for the role. A look into the history of your country will further illustrate this for you. Women have always had a long hard road in many aspects, least of which because they're not qualified or because they're lacking in some way but because they're women in what is essentially and always has been a male dominated society. Although we've certainly made lots of progress over the years, we still have a long way to go in eliminating prejudice and ensuring total equality.

skipp · Jun 10, 2016

peacenik said:

That was before Republicans starting courting the Christian base. Until around the 1980's Republicans didn't target evangelical Christian voters. Then they realized there was a big base of evangelical voters that they could target and they could use issues like abortion to get votes. With the rise of secularism and the popularity of atheistic libertarian ideals among many big shot conservatives you're going to see the Republican Party backing away from evangelical Christianity. Heck, Trump is already a sign of this happening.

peacenik · Jun 10, 2016

skipp said:

Very insightful post.

Republicans claim to be the champions of principle and morality. But in reality, nobody is more inclined to expediency than they are. As usual, it is not fashionable or politically correct to say that here but it is the truth.

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Jun 10, 2016

peacenik said:

Paint a picture for us...let's say all Republicans were wiped off the face of the earth.

Present for us how the country would look with unfettered Democrat rule.

skipp · Jun 11, 2016

peacenik said:

They are politicians. You can't expect too much morality or principles from politicians on either side of the aisle. I do think it's interesting that the two big conservatives running for president are Donald Trump, who could care less about Christianity besides some weak attempts at pandering, and Gary Johnson, a libertarian who is socially liberal. A lot of the big shot republicans that don't like Trump are supporting Gary Johnson. Christians are probably going to have to get used to the fact that the national Republican Party isn't going to be as interested in gearing their platform towards Christian voters as it used to be. Heck, they've already dropped gay marriage as an issue. They barely spoke about it during the Republican primary debates.

The two big emerging movements in the modern Republican Party are nationalism (represented by Trump) and libertarianism. Neither of which has much to do with Christianity.

peacenik · Jun 11, 2016

skipp; said:

True, those two Republicans could care less about Christianity. Yet, their party continues to pretend they represent the great moral vanguard that is out to promote the most wholesome ideals of Christian righteousness. When challenged to prove these claims none come forward with even the slightest proof of the claim.

Just the other day a Republican pol used a biblical quote to impose a disparagement of President Obama which proved to be more embarrassing to himself than to anyone else:

Republican Senator’s ‘Prayer’ for Barack Obama Sparks Protests - Washington Wire - WSJ

Just imagine of a lib used the Bible in such a vain manner.

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Jun 11, 2016

Billyd said:

Been there, done that.

Not uncommon for me to write something up & then set it aside for hours(or even a day or more) and then review it to see if it really reads as I want it to.

TheAristocat · Jun 16, 2016

Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

If so, I'm not a contributing member to the sentiment. I'm actually reading a book that is written by (or at least what I perceive to be) a polytheistic feminist. It's supposed to be a scholarly approach to hidden fairy tale meanings and folklore, but it definitely pushes the pagan feminist, anti-Christian, emasculation campaign. She's done everything short of accuse men of being rapists, while still attempting a pass at it. While in some fairy tales you'll see princesses turning themselves into beautiful magic gardens, she's done something unique, turning herself into a jack-(donkey)ss by the end of page 100.

A little hard to stomach, but sometimes you have to weed out the biased conclusions that come with the exciting facts and interesting insights. A very talented author for certain, and well-learned, but one that is a little misled by her emotions, which is unfortunate.

hitherehowareyou · Jun 16, 2016

Not in the US.

shrimp · Jun 16, 2016

Behold the war on women and life:
Alabama Child Protective Services Steals New-born Breast-feeding Baby from Rape Victim While Still at the Hospital

Test_F_i_2_Luv · Jun 18, 2016

There is a war on women in the USA.

It's compliments of the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ crowd.

Imagine: a man & women have a baby girl 2 years into their relationship. Shortly thereafter, the dad starts doing peculiar things like wearing the mom's clothes and, three months later, decides to leave the family. The mom goes to the government to get child support from the dad. The biological dad, though, "transitions" into a woman and decides he should be able to be a stay-at-home mother with the child.

[video=youtube;GZbS54mx7Ec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZbS54mx7Ec[/video]

Rosesrock · Jun 20, 2016

shrimp said:

This is local to me. Y'all need to pray please. It's a true nightmare. This isn't because she was a women. This is because CPS is corrupt.

oldethennew · Jun 20, 2016

we hear you Rose,

but unfortunately, it's because the WORLD that is corrupt...

Is There a War on Women?

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

Senior Member

hitherehowareyou

Guest

Senior Member

Senior Member

Rosesrock

Guest

Banned