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I posted the scriptures to show without a doubt the rapture doctrine will lead Christians right into the arms of satan. If your determined to believe the great endtime lie and dismiss Gods word then there is not much to say.
That was funny when you posted "rapture=apostasy" LoL Wow that was like ultimate irony.LoL
That was funny when you posted "rapture=apostasy" LoL Wow that was like ultimate irony.LoL
M
Maybe you should take a look at these verses, for the rapurist has to explain all these away for his doctrine to hold true.
Challenge for all rapturists.
Challenge for all rapturists.
I know the rapturist prefers just one or two verses here and there to make his doctrine. So I shall provide him with one or two verses from here and there that shall utterly destroy his heretic doctrine. I challenge any rapturist to explain away these verses. He must make God's word void to hold on to his false doctrine, that will never happen.
The word's of Christ himself cannot be explained away.
MATTHEW 24
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Can't be much clearer than this, can it? This alone should be nuff said.
Revelation 2:10-11 (King James Version)
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Still think he's not talking to you? This is how you receive the crown of life not by flying away.
2 Thessalonians 2
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Why do we wait? Because satan will be here defacto setting up his false kingdom.
1 Corinthians 15:51-55
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Can anyone one here not count to seven? Satan comes at the sixth trump, in the sixth seal, the sixth vile.
Rev 9:3-4 (the Great Tribulation)
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Safe to say there will be men with the seal of God in their forehead.
Ephesians 6:10-18 (King James Version)
10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
What evil day do you think he's talking about?
Revelation 13:12-15 (King James Version)
12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Who are the one's not worshipping the image of the beast? Only the true believers of God's word. Every other religion of the world shall worship the beast.
Revelation 7:13-17 (King James Version)
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: anthe devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. d he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
It reads: "Out of," not "out before.
Revelation 18:3-4 (King James Version)
3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
We won't suffer God's wrath the nations are already drunk. Did the children in Egypt suffer the plagues?
Daniel 12:11-12 (King James Version)
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Wait friend, don't follow the first to come.
Revelation 11:13
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
If God's remnant were gone then there would be no one to give glory to God.
In their fear, the rapturist has devised an imaginary escape plan from the end-time prophesies of God. Oh how satan loves to play upon fear. They would be better to have faith that God shall protect them as He has promised them that He would during the Great Tribulation. Stand up and act like a man, woman, or child of God and quit cowering to satan, he cannot hurt those who have the seal of God in their forehead, that is to say, God's truth! Learn the truth and be set free from the bondage of fear.
I must be emphatic in saying that most people (preachers/teachers) who teach the Rapture theory are not evil satan worshipping men. They themselves have been deceived and now they deceive others without even knowing it. So be kind on your preacher/teacher and show him the errors in the Rapture theory, they deserve the benefit of the doubt, just as you do, who may also have been deceived, deserve the assumption that you have been spreading satan's lies unaware. God has a reason for everything. Perhaps a person who comes out of the Rapture cult can have better success helping others out of it. God knows. And remember, false teaching is a sin like any other in the respect that you can take it to the cross and be forgiven by the precious blood of our Savior Jesus Christ, repenting and then go on with your life forgiven of that sin. As Jesus told the adulterous woman:
John 8:10-11
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
I'll leave you with this.10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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been there, done that
as i have pointed out you have a faulty handle on the doctrine of the church
from that starting point you end up with anti semitism and faulty eschatology
if you knew the author of the scripture personally you would be better off
also, if you you were comfortable with your own perspective and did not feel the need to justify it by attacking the Biblical one
to suggest that a pretrib rapturist will be conned by the antichrist is logically absurd
YOU are the one who will be conned by him - YOU will think he is the second coming
as i have pointed out you have a faulty handle on the doctrine of the church
from that starting point you end up with anti semitism and faulty eschatology
if you knew the author of the scripture personally you would be better off
also, if you you were comfortable with your own perspective and did not feel the need to justify it by attacking the Biblical one
to suggest that a pretrib rapturist will be conned by the antichrist is logically absurd
YOU are the one who will be conned by him - YOU will think he is the second coming
M
Still a bunch of empty words without any scripture to back it up. What a shame when you listen to fables of men.
The rapture doctrine is racist at it's core, the lie teaches a black man doesn't get the same chance as of one of "God's chosen people" in the tribulation. It is a doctrine of being saved by one's sinful flesh but Christ's doctrine is just the opposite. It is a spiritual doctrine open to all races, whether Black, Chinese, and yes even the Jews if they are willing to accept Christ as Lord, repent and wash away their sins with the blood of the Lamb.
The rapture doctrine is racist at it's core, the lie teaches a black man doesn't get the same chance as of one of "God's chosen people" in the tribulation. It is a doctrine of being saved by one's sinful flesh but Christ's doctrine is just the opposite. It is a spiritual doctrine open to all races, whether Black, Chinese, and yes even the Jews if they are willing to accept Christ as Lord, repent and wash away their sins with the blood of the Lamb.
Whaaaaaat?? Who did you hear about the rapture from?
I don't believe the rapture either, but really, I've never heard anything about the rapture doctrine that was racist. It was never about blacks not getting a chance it was always about Christians getting raptured and non-Christians being left behind.
I don't believe the rapture either, but really, I've never heard anything about the rapture doctrine that was racist. It was never about blacks not getting a chance it was always about Christians getting raptured and non-Christians being left behind.
i never saw this in this thread.
many will be deceived, but not in this way. the antichrist will come with many signs and wonders, such that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. but he does not stage a false rapture.
many who refuse to reveive the love of the truth will be deluded, by god.
in any case, we need something that we can count on to keep us from being deceived.
i think everyone knows what i believe that to be.
many will be deceived, but not in this way. the antichrist will come with many signs and wonders, such that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. but he does not stage a false rapture.
many who refuse to reveive the love of the truth will be deluded, by god.
in any case, we need something that we can count on to keep us from being deceived.
i think everyone knows what i believe that to be.
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If you are wrong and the church and body of Christ is raptured before the great tribulation, what are you going to tell the Lord when you have to meet Him face to face at the judgment seat of Christ? Are you going to tell Him that you really believed that's what the scriptures taught so you can not be held accountable for your error and for misleading so many, no harm done? Or are you going to accuse the writers and translators of the scriptures for not making it clear and accuse them before Christ for your error? As a believer you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you, that is there to guide you into all truth. Are you going to tell the Lord that the Spirit did not do His job in guiding you into the truth of the rapture of the church? Are you willing to take the risk of suffering the loss of all rewards because of a terrible misunderstanding about the church that has not been appointed to God's wrath?
Uhm...I happen to know quite a bit about Christianity and the rapture doctrine, as I used to faithfully follow both. I'm pretty sure I'm qualified.
I'm aware of that. I do not claim Christianity as my religion, so I'm "left out of the loop", so to speak. But I'm not black, so I fail to see how this is racist
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In the Bible the Wheat and tares grow up together and tares are taken up FIRST and burned. and the wheat is left behind.
Matthew 13:30 *Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:30 *Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
M
You going to help guide me when its not on the scriptures? Don't think so. Our gathering together(I don't call it rapture causes confusion and because of its dubious origins) is nothing less than a satanic lie to deceive Christians into thinking that Christ will return before satan and the fallen angels. When we are gathered together we are not leaving earth. Why would we when Christ is coming here? I have scripture after scripture to document it.
Revelation 2:10-11
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Revelation 2:10-11
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
M
Uhm...I happen to know quite a bit about Christianity and the rapture doctrine, as I used to faithfully follow both. I'm pretty sure I'm qualified.
I'm aware of that. I do not claim Christianity as my religion, so I'm "left out of the loop", so to speak. But I'm not black, so I fail to see how this is racist
I'm aware of that. I do not claim Christianity as my religion, so I'm "left out of the loop", so to speak. But I'm not black, so I fail to see how this is racist