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Mitspa

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lol did that guy just tell you to be quite because you are a girl? ...sorry that's a little funny hehe
 
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overthechill

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It would be entirely biblical of me to demand you remain silent and to take your inquiries to your husband but otherwise keep to yourself 1Cor 14:33-35. However, this has been softened through the ages and is obviously something not followed by most people. Matter of fact, I would most certainly be negatively received by you and by most women and my message heard would not be about my previous posts, but rather about what I said about women.
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Mitspa said:
lol did that guy just tell you to be quite because you are a girl? ...sorry that's a little funny hehe
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And thank you Mitspa for proving my point. My message about women is remembered while the 99% of what I've written in past posts is not remembered. And that is exactly what's happening with the messaging about homosexuality. Yes - it's an abomination, but that is NOT our Christian message to the unbeliever and for the people who think your tough love message is the thing an unbeliever needs to hear, remember that ALL THEY ARE HEARING is that you hate gays. Nothing else. They hear you're a Christian and you hate gays. That's the message that's out there now and it is constantly being reinforced whether you think you're guiltless or not. To a person, I've read so many posts from many many people who have said they're not judging or condemning. You're telling them this for their own good and that message might well fly in this little choir here. But the message is damaging elsewhere and pretty soon there's going to be nobody left to hear you sing.
 
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Mitspa

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And thank you Mitspa for proving my point. My message about women is remembered while the 99% of what I've written in past posts is not remembered. And that is exactly what's happening with the messaging about homosexuality. Yes - it's an abomination, but that is NOT our Christian message to the unbeliever and for the people who think your tough love message is the thing an unbeliever needs to hear, remember that ALL THEY ARE HEARING is that you hate gays. Nothing else. They hear you're a Christian and you hate gays. That's the message that's out there now and it is constantly being reinforced whether you think you're guiltless or not. To a person, I've read so many posts from many many people who have said they're not judging or condemning. You're telling them this for their own good and that message might well fly in this little choir here. But the message is damaging elsewhere and pretty soon there's going to be nobody left to hear you sing.
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Dude... the "good news" gospel is very much preached in context of Gods judgment against sin ..that's why its called the "good" news in relation to the news of Gods righteous judgment against sin ...Paul himself used the example of homosexual behavior as mans complete rejection of God when he explained the gospel to the world in the book of Romans. I'm not sure what message you think you are giving to folks ..but it clearly requires that large parts of the New Testament be hidden or ignored. I have won many sinners to Christ and trained others to do so .. In fact I am called and equipped by God for that ministry "save some by fear" means that very thing.
 
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overthechill said:
And thank you Mitspa for proving my point. My message about women is remembered while the 99% of what I've written in past posts is not remembered. And that is exactly what's happening with the messaging about homosexuality. Yes - it's an abomination, but that is NOT our Christian message to the unbeliever and for the people who think your tough love message is the thing an unbeliever needs to hear, remember that ALL THEY ARE HEARING is that you hate gays. Nothing else. They hear you're a Christian and you hate gays. That's the message that's out there now and it is constantly being reinforced whether you think you're guiltless or not. To a person, I've read so many posts from many many people who have said they're not judging or condemning. You're telling them this for their own good and that message might well fly in this little choir here. But the message is damaging elsewhere and pretty soon there's going to be nobody left to hear you sing.
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I cannot see a single post of Mitspa that says that he hates gays. Nor do I see a post that is not facts.. No Gay,Fornicator,Murderer,... will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is a abomination and done. Now why do think he is acting as if he thought he was blameless?? Jesus taught the tough love message. He didnt sugercoat anything. he did his miracles and taught about love. But he also made clear what the consequences of not following him is. Hell and eternal damnation after judgment.
 
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I cannot see a single post of Mitspa that says that he hates gays. Nor do I see a post that is not facts.. No Gay,Fornicator,Murderer,... will enter the kingdom of heaven. It is a abomination and done. Now why do think he is acting as if he thought he was blameless?? Jesus taught the tough love message. He didnt sugercoat anything. he did his miracles and taught about love. But he also made clear what the consequences of not following him is. Hell and eternal damnation after judgment.
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Of course his whole argument is based upon building a straw man ... he must condemn the righteous while he tries to justify the wicked.... call evil what is good and call good what is evil.
 
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Mitspa said:
Of course his whole argument is based upon building a straw man ... he must condemn the righteous while he tries to justify the wicked.... call evil what is good and call good what is evil.
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Well brother go check out Provebs 12:1.. thats what I think of justifying wickedness.
 
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Mitspa said:
lol did that guy just tell you to be quite because you are a girl? ...sorry that's a little funny hehe
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This gal is smart enough to know when she's being baited brother. ;) Trying to get this ol' hound off the track isn't so easy.
 
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And thank you Mitspa for proving my point. My message about women is remembered while the 99% of what I've written in past posts is not remembered. And that is exactly what's happening with the messaging about homosexuality. Yes - it's an abomination, but that is NOT our Christian message to the unbeliever and for the people who think your tough love message is the thing an unbeliever needs to hear, remember that ALL THEY ARE HEARING is that you hate gays. Nothing else. They hear you're a Christian and you hate gays. That's the message that's out there now and it is constantly being reinforced whether you think you're guiltless or not. To a person, I've read so many posts from many many people who have said they're not judging or condemning. You're telling them this for their own good and that message might well fly in this little choir here. But the message is damaging elsewhere and pretty soon there's going to be nobody left to hear you sing.
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Quote ". And that is exactly what's happening with the messaging about homosexuality. Yes - it's an abomination, but that is NOT our Christian message to the unbeliever and for the people who think your tough love message is the thing an unbeliever needs to hear, remember that ALL THEY ARE HEARING is that you hate gays. Nothing else."

I'm sorry this is simply just not true. Those that have heard me tell this story,plug your ears. :)

My father is an evangelist and we traveled as a family. One night in the middle of our concert my father began to preach on homosexuality. He preached the simple truth,that it is sin and it would lead to hell. We had no idea why he preached that until the alter call. A young man came forward and accepted the Lord. He told my father that he was about to have a sex change but he had decided against it that night. He spoke to my father and said he didn't know homosexuality was wrong. The simple truth convicted him. We called some time later and he was still attending the church. The Holy Spirit led my father to preach against homosexuality, he didn't know there was someone there who needed to hear the Gospel. But God was faithful as he always is when you preach the truth.
 
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No one said he is not a Christian for dealing with temptation. Many Christians deal with this, even here on this forum, before you go assuming everyone here knows nothing again.

They said he is not a Christian because he is accepting that life and living it out, making the claim that its okay to do so. He is going against the word of God and living out his desires. That is not what Christ would have us do, therefore he is not following Christ.

Being "gay" means you deal with a certain temptation. We both know it causes no harm to deny them. It can be stressful, but its not harmful.
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He's not a Christian? Are you really going to make that determination? You don't think Christians can be deceived and caught up in stuff, and later come to realize the errors of their ways?
 
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your point is very interesting but it is not sound teaching I say that respectfully, and the reason why is because you suggest that the person who is attracted to a person of the same sex is gay. That is not true. that is no more true the a married man attracted to a women who he is not married to. The temptation is an appeal to the sinful nature of the flesh both homosexuality, adultery, and fornication . You can not be gay and a christian because God did not make gay. a person can be christian and have struggles in the flesh but that is not who they are t...hat is what they did. Gal 5:1 a willful act of sin and disobedience to GOD and HIS word. We cannot justify sin by pointing out another sin. the idea that one is gay and a christian is just not biblical the truth that Christians who practice sin including homosexuality are willfully sinning and that is not good the bible tell them we are to repent TURN away from it. there is no acceptance by God for it nor does HE endorse it, nor did HE create people that way.
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Anyone that could even be tempted to be attracted to the same sex is "different." I don't know what to call that person, if they are a believer and saying no to the temptation that still appeals to him, and I can't call him gay. It would be a different situation if we all faced that temptation and overcame it. But I don't have to overcome anything. I've never even felt the temptation in the first place, and if I did, it would be like saying no to eating vomit. Not exactly a struggle.
 
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kaylagrl

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DoubtingSam said:
He's not a Christian? Are you really going to make that determination? You don't think Christians can be deceived and caught up in stuff, and later come to realize the errors of their ways?
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Im not OSAS, so I'd say he's backslidden.
 
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kaylagrl said:
Quote "Can you ever see yourself at any point choosing to be gay?? No?? Me either. In fact it is so far away from anything I would choose I can't even imagine it. Since I know this is true about me I am forced to ask myself how anyone, anywhere given the choice would choose to be gay. It is inconceivable."

Sin is always a choice. Always,always,always a choice.


Quote "That would tend to suggest that people are indeed born gay, would it not? Just as some are born alcoholics, some are born killers etc."

No, Im sorry, that is your opinion only. The Bible says otherwise. No one is born a killer,a prostitute,a liar,an adulterer or gay. Its not in the Word and therefore,that is a false assumption.


Quote "I know for a fact God can heal the alcoholism and I believe He can heal anyone of anything."

He can and He does, but its up to us to accept His help.


Quote " I do find it...interesting that I have been attacked and called names in this forum by people claiming to know Jesus."

 I dont think,in fact I know I haven't attacked you. Your views are against what the Bibles teaches,on this subject at least. These views would be considered liberal. Christians do not believe people are born gay,the Bible doesn't teach it. So Im not attacking you or calling names. All I can say is your position is not Biblical.

Quote "It is apparently a horrible sin to disagree with people's long held beliefs whether they are biblical or not."

I can't speak for others, but I know my beliefs are Biblical.


Quote "It's OK as I am totally secure in both my salvation and my understanding of the things the Holy Spirit has taught me. "

The Holy Spirit will not lead you astray. If you are saying the Holy Spirit led you to this belief you are seriously wrong. The Holy Spirit will not go against Gods Word and give you a special revelation.



Quote "the gospel of my Lord and Savior is one of grace and freedom not fear and loathing."

Why is there fear in preaching the Word of God? The Bible says sin leads to death. Preaching the truth is never wrong. I was in evangelism for 20yrs and saw possibly hundreds of people come to the Lord preaching that truth.
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If Jesus had spent most of his time "preaching the truth," he wouldn't have had so many degenerate friends. More than anything, he loved people. And the Church today does not love gays. It absolutely does not. And it's sick.
 
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Mitspa

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DoubtingSam said:
Anyone that could even be tempted to be attracted to the same sex is "different." I don't know what to call that person, if they are a believer and saying no to the temptation that still appeals to him, and I can't call him gay. It would be a different situation if we all faced that temptation and overcame it. But I don't have to overcome anything. I've never even felt the temptation in the first place, and if I did, it would be like saying no to eating vomit. Not exactly a struggle.
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So when the bible relates this behavior to having a reprobate mind ..what does that mean if not the root of the problem being In the mind? I'm sure you have an opinion about a lot of things ..but your opinion is just that. We must look to the scriptures to understand this issue and how best to address it.
 
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kaylagrl

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DoubtingSam said:
If Jesus had spent most of his time "preaching the truth," he wouldn't have had so many degenerate friends. More than anything, he loved people. And the Church today does not love gays. It absolutely does not. And it's sick.
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Sorry you'll have to go deeper into that,I don't understand what you're trying to say.
 
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Mitspa said:
So when the bible relates this behavior to having a reprobate mind ..what does that mean if not the root of the problem being In the mind? I'm sure you have an opinion about a lot of things ..but your opinion is just that. We must look to the scriptures to understand this issue and how best to address it.
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I'm not entirely sure what the word reprobate means in English, let alone what the Greek word meant. Does it mean that we shouldn't actively love the person with that type of mind?
 
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