Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

[tanakh]

Nicola Sturgeon is now calling for a 2nd Scottish referendum. I think this will happen and if it does Scotland will leave us this time, maybe in the future even Northern Ireland (who also voted to remain) may join Eire. GB will perhaps in the future look very different consisting of just England and Wales.

I am excited by the future.

I would be sad to see Scotland break away after being part of the UK for so long. I cant see Northern Ireland ever joining the Republic and I doubt whether they could survive as an independent state. I heard that there has even been a petition
set up to demand independence for London!!. If that ever happened I would move very quicklylol

 

[Sinnerman]

No. Obamacare was going to cost her more than she had. To say nothing of the fact that she had already moved to Canada, to be with my son, her husband. And he worked regularly for over 10 years playing pro hockey, so normally they had that insurance in the US. But they moved back to Canada, bought a house, and he decided to play another year in Europe. And so they did plan that sweet little boy. What they did not count on was a strike at immigration Canada, and not being able to have her application for Canadian permanent residency accepted. I think that was part of the reason my son picked England - because he had heard such good things about the NHS. And I am glad he did - there were many other stories of people from various countries (US and UK come to mind) and women who were pregnant and not able to go to a hospital for proper care in Canada that year.

We don't have a system like Obamacare in Canada. We have a not for profit universal health care system. Anyone who is a resident qualifies. In every province but BC the premiums are free. (We pay $85 a month for premiums). So a truly free system,(except for BC) where everyone is covered. Provided you are a Canadian resident! They had been told in would take a few months for her to get her Canadian Health Care insurance, and then the strike threw a monkey wrench into their plans.

Everything they said was that the NHS was so much better than what they experienced in the US. In the US, they fought to get treatment when their HMO said a provider was in their HMO, and then they were denied payment. Then there is the hideous overcharging for prescription medicines in the US. To say nothing of my son going to an ER to get stitches, and being given basically a total physical, because they found out his medical insurance would allow it. He said, one Kleenex he used to blow his nose while in the ER cost $10. Someone is raking in a fortune somewhere in the US system.

The NHS has a prescription med program that is a flat rate of $6 or something (at least it was then). To say nothing of follow up with the pregnancy and the help they got. They had a second child after they got back to Canada, once my DIL was on BC Medical. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really compare to the support and care they got in England.

Glad to hear things are going well for them and their family.

I pay $5 for prescription meds. No problems with health care providers in the last 35 years. Two spinal surgeries, three knee surgeries, two foot surgeries, broken collar bone, broken hand, five shoulder procedures, appendectomy, three surgeries on my esophagus, three ER visits for choking due to esophagus malady, about a dozen MRI's, a CAT scan, surgery on my tail bone, numerous reinjuries to my spine treated by orthopedic specialists, and maybe another half dozen medical procedures. Maybe $2.5 million billed to my insurance provider. Except during the early 90's, I got to choose my doctors and was able to change coverage once a year. It's been great. I can't imagine a better system for me and my wife.

 

[trofimus]

I would be sad to see Scotland break away after being part of the UK for so long. I cant see Northern Ireland ever joining the Republic and I doubt whether they could survive as an independent state. I heard that there has even been a petition
set up to demand independence for London!!. If that ever happened I would move very quicklylol

Its quite hard to find an Englishman in Londonistan. So no wonder there will be many people in there to sign such petition.

 

[Miri]

No. Obamacare was going to cost her more than she had. To say nothing of the fact that she had already moved to Canada, to be with my son, her husband. And he worked regularly for over 10 years playing pro hockey, so normally they had that insurance in the US. But they moved back to Canada, bought a house, and he decided to play another year in Europe. And so they did plan that sweet little boy. What they did not count on was a strike at immigration Canada, and not being able to have her application for Canadian permanent residency accepted. I think that was part of the reason my son picked England - because he had heard such good things about the NHS. And I am glad he did - there were many other stories of people from various countries (US and UK come to mind) and women who were pregnant and not able to go to a hospital for proper care in Canada that year.

We don't have a system like Obamacare in Canada. We have a not for profit universal health care system. Anyone who is a resident qualifies. In every province but BC the premiums are free. (We pay $85 a month for premiums). So a truly free system,(except for BC) where everyone is covered. Provided you are a Canadian resident! They had been told in would take a few months for her to get her Canadian Health Care insurance, and then the strike threw a monkey wrench into their plans.

Everything they said was that the NHS was so much better than what they experienced in the US. In the US, they fought to get treatment when their HMO said a provider was in their HMO, and then they were denied payment. Then there is the hideous overcharging for prescription medicines in the US. To say nothing of my son going to an ER to get stitches, and being given basically a total physical, because they found out his medical insurance would allow it. He said, one Kleenex he used to blow his nose while in the ER cost $10. Someone is raking in a fortune somewhere in the US system.

The NHS has a prescription med program that is a flat rate of $6 or something (at least it was then). To say nothing of follow up with the pregnancy and the help they got. They had a second child after they got back to Canada, once my DIL was on BC Medical. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really compare to the support and care they got in England.

Hi Angela, Sinnerman

We all pay into the NHS re a taxation called National Insurance Contributions, which
is taken out of wages.

prescriptions are currently £8.50 per item but many get them free children, students, pensioners,
unemployed, those on welfare. Also some medical conditions are exempt. I'm in the condition exemption
category so every two months I get two prescriptions free of charge.

There are waiting lists for non emergency surgery, though a lot has been done in
recent years to reduce these.One of the problems in recent years is these have increased in
part due to the thousands thousands from the EU coming to the UK for free treatment.

There was a scam discovered last year where EU citizens were coming to the UK for a week or so
registerering with a doctor getting a medical card then returning to their own country. Then they
got free medical care in their own country by flashing the UK medical card and their hospitals
were then billing the NHS!

See here

NHS charged by foreigners for care in their OWN country thanks to loophole | Daily Mail Online


Many from Eastern Europe especially come to the UK just to give birth then leave again.

The NHS is struggling but much of that is due to the EU membership - yet another reason to
leave the EU.

Last year my aunt was admitted to hospital for a week in Jan 15, then she had
cataract surgery start of June 15 (had to wait two months for that). Unfortunately she
then had a fall at home late June 15 and fractured her shoulder. She was treated then
spent 6 weeks in a rehab bed. Came out was ok for 6 weeks then became ill again and
ended up in hospital 12 weeks. All this was free.

She came home start of Jan 16 and got a £5000 hospital bed supplied for her at
home and walking frame free. Since then we have had a team of people coming in - a community
visits every two weeks, a physio every two weeks. We had a physiologist do a home visit from
the memory clinic to check for dementia, an oxygen system delivered, visits by Respiritory
nurses, our own doctor visits etc all free.

Angela is correct in that the NHS works as a team and rather than just seeing one doctor or
one surgeon etc, they throw a whole team of people at you to get you back on your feet.

Just hope it can continue now as the EU along with the US transatlantic trade agreement meant
there was a good chance it would have been privatised.

See here

https://www.theguardian.com/society...sary-to-protect-nhs-from-ttip-says-david-owen


Major leak from Brussels reveals NHS will be ‘KILLED OFF’ if Britain remains in the EU | UK | News | Daily Express

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Unlike most Americans I converse with the British are staunchly protective of the NHS. it is a much loved institution. I for one do not trust insurance companies, can they be trusted to pay up? Trusting insurance companies makes me nervous.

Regarding all the hullabaloo and scare mongering now doing the rounds...the reason everyone is panicking is the fact that this result was so unexpected. things will be volatile for a while until people get used to the idea of Britain standing alone. It's not just that Britain left the EU but the prime minister resigned and it looks like the leader of the opposition will be toppled. It will take a few months to settle down. It was always a decision for the future benefit of the UK.

 

[prodigal]

Its quite hard to find an Englishman in Londonistan. So no wonder there will be many people in there to sign such petition.

englishman-in-london-here
things-are-good

 

[prodigal]

we're-not-out-till-we're-out
nearly-a-million-sign-a-petition-already-for-another-referendom
europe-is-re-writing-the-institution
another-vote-would-be-for-a-different-europe



watch-this-space

 

[trofimus]

englishman-in-london-here
things-are-good

Good

We are said you voted for leave because of EU immigrants, mostly Polish, Romanians etc going to UK.

But I cant see why, I think that culturally near European working and living in UK is no thread to you. He will be integrated in one generation.

I would be really afraid of African/Pakistan/etc people living on benefits, mostly muslims. I cant see how leaving EU will help you with that...

But I like UK, so I wish you all best on your "alone" journey.

 

[prodigal]

we-have-more-immigration-from-the-commonwealth-than-we-do-through-europe


fear-stories

although-some-areas-have-felt-strain-from-eastern-european-workers-esp-Norfolk

 

[trofimus]

we-have-more-immigration-from-the-commonwealth-than-we-do-through-europe


fear-stories

So can you shed some light on how leaving the EU is supposed to help you with that?

 

[prodigal]

that-can-be-stopped-overnight-but-then-we'd-be-short-on-nurses-doctors-care-workers-etc-etc

 

[prodigal]

in-my-opinion-the-poorer-people/areas-feel-so-disassociated-from-central-government-that-it-was-a-vote-against-the-system,
the-question-remains---
can-we-trust-our-own-government-to-do-better-by-us-than-a-European-one

 

[tanakh]

Its quite hard to find an Englishman in Londonistan. So no wonder there will be many people in there to sign such petition.

It depends on which part of London you are looking at, although I understand how you may get that impression. Allmost all of London voted to remain in the EU except parts of the East End. Immigration was a major factor throughout the country
according to one survey the more immigrants there were in each area the more percentage of the population voted to leave. It is not that us British are racist its just that there are too many for us to cope with. As part of the EU our government had no control over the number of European immigrants that wanted to come here, and have been putting a strain on our Social services and Schools. We also have a basic wage system here and unscrupulous Employers have been paying below the basic level to immigrants which has left some British people unemployed.

 

[trofimus]

It depends on which part of London you are looking at, although I understand how you may get that impression. Allmost all of London voted to remain in the EU except parts of the East End. Immigration was a major factor throughout the country
according to one survey the more immigrants there were in each area the more percentage of the population voted to leave. It is not that us British are racist its just that there are too many for us to cope with. As part of the EU our government had no control over the number of European immigrants that wanted to come here, and have been putting a strain on our Social services and Schools. We also have a basic wage system here and unscrupulous Employers have been paying below the basic level to immigrants which has left some British people unemployed.

Europeans are so afraid to be called "racists" that they have become hypocrites.

There is nothing wrong on a desire to live with our own people in our own country. So I understand you have had enough.

I simply dont understand how leaving the EU will help you with that. In EU you got European immigration, which is easily integrated into your culture. And you can easily live in Spain, Austria, wherever you want. Leaving EU will not help you with african/arab immigration, which is the main problem these days.

I hope this is not the end of Great Britain and the beginning of some England/Wales union only...

 

[tanakh]

This post is more for Scottish people or Brits in general unless anyone else has a close relationship with Scotland. I would like an answer to the Scottish mystery which is why in the world do they want to remain in the EU?

Firstly they wanted more control over decision making so they had a regional Parliament set up. Next they wanted full control over Scotland ie sovereignty so a referendum was held but a majority said no to total independence. Now they want another refererendum so they can be independent and join the EU!!! They want to be stuck in Europe having Brussels dictate to them which is the very thing we voted against! It makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain it?

 

[trofimus]

This post is more for Scottish people or Brits in general unless anyone else has a close relationship with Scotland. I would like an answer to the Scottish mystery which is why in the world do they want to remain in the EU?

Firstly they wanted more control over decision making so they had a regional Parliament set up. Next they wanted full control over Scotland ie sovereignty so a referendum was held but a majority said no to total independence. Now they want another refererendum so they can be independent and join the EU!!! They want to be stuck in Europe having Brussels dictate to them which is the very thing we voted against! It makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain it?

They probably think that the union with 27 countries is more advantageous for them than the union with 3 only...

 

[tanakh]

They probably think that the union with 27 countries is more advantageous for them than the union with 3 only...

They already had the opportunity to do that in the Referendum held before we left.

 

[trofimus]

They already had the opportunity to do that in the Referendum held before we left.

But their union with 27 countries was not in stake back then...

 

[Sirk]

in-my-opinion-the-poorer-people/areas-feel-so-disassociated-from-central-government-that-it-was-a-vote-against-the-system,
the-question-remains---
can-we-trust-our-own-government-to-do-better-by-us-than-a-European-one

not if globalists are running it.

 

[jennymae]

It looks like the vote against the system movement is spreading. Come fall this movement will make a certain New Yorker become a tenant. Mrs. Clinton is not capable of seeing this, and she will lose the general, just like the anti brexit folks did in UK. I'm still not sure whether this is good or bad.