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Congrats on your independence!
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Well, congrats from me, too! I'm sort of old fashioned, but I believe in national sovereignty! At least until Jesus returns.
The Canadian news says it may take "decades" to make this Brexit total - but at least now you have some rights. My son played hockey for a year in the north of England. His wife was pregnant and had no American insurance (of course!). So she thought she could have the baby in Canada, but in the end, partly because of some kind of strike by Immigration officials, they got behind on processing applications for residency. And she needed that to get Canadian health care. Two years later, she finally got the residency permit and the health care.
So 7 month pregnant, she jumped on a plane and went to be with her husband, my son. It took 3 days to get on the NHS and she said everything about the delivery and the post-delivery care was incredible. I also have talked to people who are mentally ill with NHS, and they talk about their "team" helping them recover! The Americans and Canadians I know said "What? What team?"
So I can see a lot of immigrants going to Britian just for that. And it costing a fortune to cover them all.
Apparently the economy didn't like the results of the vote - the pound is down and all the markets too. Oh yes, Justin baby supported the "remain" campaign. Not that it was any of his business. Maybe Obama told him to say that? He certainly doesn't have the brains to figure it out himself.
Anyway, my grandson is still a Brit, so he can play hockey there. But plans to play on the continent will be a little more difficult. Besides, we are old friends with Britain so hopefully we can keep trading and being friends!
The Canadian news says it may take "decades" to make this Brexit total - but at least now you have some rights. My son played hockey for a year in the north of England. His wife was pregnant and had no American insurance (of course!). So she thought she could have the baby in Canada, but in the end, partly because of some kind of strike by Immigration officials, they got behind on processing applications for residency. And she needed that to get Canadian health care. Two years later, she finally got the residency permit and the health care.
So 7 month pregnant, she jumped on a plane and went to be with her husband, my son. It took 3 days to get on the NHS and she said everything about the delivery and the post-delivery care was incredible. I also have talked to people who are mentally ill with NHS, and they talk about their "team" helping them recover! The Americans and Canadians I know said "What? What team?"
So I can see a lot of immigrants going to Britian just for that. And it costing a fortune to cover them all.
Apparently the economy didn't like the results of the vote - the pound is down and all the markets too. Oh yes, Justin baby supported the "remain" campaign. Not that it was any of his business. Maybe Obama told him to say that? He certainly doesn't have the brains to figure it out himself.
Anyway, my grandson is still a Brit, so he can play hockey there. But plans to play on the continent will be a little more difficult. Besides, we are old friends with Britain so hopefully we can keep trading and being friends!
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Thank you. Sometimes I think the majority of Americans think we are the Cardassians to the world. We should always be the center of attention even for doing nothing but looking good.
Doing great. John's home. (This is the first day I didn't have to drive to see him. lol) But, until he gains more strength, I just got busier.
Doing great. John's home. (This is the first day I didn't have to drive to see him. lol) But, until he gains more strength, I just got busier.
M
Yeah the stock markets get the jitters about any uncertainty so this was expected but it will settle. It will take 2 years for a full withdrawal but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, gradual is good.
The NHS is overused and underfunded. Hopefully the next government will see fit to plough some of the money we used to send to Europe into the NHS but it is paid for by working Brits for Brits so anyone travelling here should get insurance. I'm happy your daughter-in-law had a good experience.
The NHS is overused and underfunded. Hopefully the next government will see fit to plough some of the money we used to send to Europe into the NHS but it is paid for by working Brits for Brits so anyone travelling here should get insurance. I'm happy your daughter-in-law had a good experience.
M
The NHS has its faults, underfunded, under staffed, over used. But at least everyone
gets seen and treated.
I had Graves' disease 10 years ago I had to go for check ups every 6 weeks for 3.5 years,
plus go to my own GP a week before each appointment for blood tests. From initial
diagnoses I was put on meds straight away (my GP spoke to the specialist on the phone)
and then I was seen by a specialist within 4 weeks.
I got chatting to a woman on here a couple of years ago with the same problem. She was
from the US and could not afford the medical insurance. She was told it could take up to
4 months to see a specialist and meanwhile her own doctor seemed to me muddling through
giving her meds via trial and error without any one to go to for advice.
The NHS was possibly one of the things that was at risk if we stayed in the EU due to the
transatlantic trade agreement between the EU and US.
gets seen and treated.
I had Graves' disease 10 years ago I had to go for check ups every 6 weeks for 3.5 years,
plus go to my own GP a week before each appointment for blood tests. From initial
diagnoses I was put on meds straight away (my GP spoke to the specialist on the phone)
and then I was seen by a specialist within 4 weeks.
I got chatting to a woman on here a couple of years ago with the same problem. She was
from the US and could not afford the medical insurance. She was told it could take up to
4 months to see a specialist and meanwhile her own doctor seemed to me muddling through
giving her meds via trial and error without any one to go to for advice.
The NHS was possibly one of the things that was at risk if we stayed in the EU due to the
transatlantic trade agreement between the EU and US.
I know it was unintentional, but this sounded a bit like an ad for Obamacare.
It seems that like a hurricane, pregnancies don't happen without a bit of warning. What responsible people do is plan ahead. Save up for a family. Get a steady job that has health benefits. Get proper health insurance to pay for prenatal and postnatal care and the cost of delivering the baby. What most Americans actually do is not prepare, but rather vote for politicians who pander to them and promise free health care paid for by the wealthy people who should gladly subsidize those needing health care, that failed to plan ahead or change jobs in order to get health care benefits.
You can only give away other peoples money for so long before it runs out and leaves everyone with a failed health care system. A lot of the "leave the EU" votes came from people tired of paying taxes to support immigrants and deadbeats. Britain has some tough times ahead. Their health care system may suffer in the short term, as the government is forced to tighten it's fiscal belt. I don't know how to judge Britain's health care system, but I would try not to form an opinion based on what a couple people being treated for mental illness had to say. Your son and his wife are fortunate to have good health and a healthy child. That is worth celebrating. Maybe they can plan ahead a bit more before they expand their family. I wish them well.
It seems that like a hurricane, pregnancies don't happen without a bit of warning. What responsible people do is plan ahead. Save up for a family. Get a steady job that has health benefits. Get proper health insurance to pay for prenatal and postnatal care and the cost of delivering the baby. What most Americans actually do is not prepare, but rather vote for politicians who pander to them and promise free health care paid for by the wealthy people who should gladly subsidize those needing health care, that failed to plan ahead or change jobs in order to get health care benefits.
You can only give away other peoples money for so long before it runs out and leaves everyone with a failed health care system. A lot of the "leave the EU" votes came from people tired of paying taxes to support immigrants and deadbeats. Britain has some tough times ahead. Their health care system may suffer in the short term, as the government is forced to tighten it's fiscal belt. I don't know how to judge Britain's health care system, but I would try not to form an opinion based on what a couple people being treated for mental illness had to say. Your son and his wife are fortunate to have good health and a healthy child. That is worth celebrating. Maybe they can plan ahead a bit more before they expand their family. I wish them well.
I'm reading how bad things are already because of the vote. The Pound vs. the dollar is worse than it's been since 1985. Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, all want out of the UK. A recession is likely and it could trigger deeper problems throughout Europe. Germans may rebel against having to prop up the weak members of the EU.
In regards to health insurance, it can be very misleading to share a single story and think that it reflects an entire health care system. I'm sure there are people who's very lives were saved by NHS. Then there will be others who died because they were either mis-diagnosed or put on a waiting list and did not receive treatment. Same in the U.S. Depending on if you support socialized and subsidized health care or privately run health care, you will tell stories that best support your preference. Our President Obama made promises to us that his government run health care would save us money and not increase the debt and we could keep our current doctors and plans, if we chose. It was all lies. The costs have increased. Many millions of people lost their coverage and their doctors and now travel far to get treated. The debt is going to increase trillions under the new plan. Government has never run anything cheaper than the private sector, nor have they done it more efficiently. The designers of Obamacare stated they relied on the stupidity of the American people to get it passed.
That old system our President said was so awful? I was paying...get ready for this...$43 a month for premiums. $500 deductible. Not just for me, it included full medical for my wife. This past year the premium doubled because of government regulations. It's now $86 a month for two of us. We get to see doctors we want because we are not part of Obamacare. I made a call last week on Tuesday to the Mao Clinic to tell them I was having pain in my shoulder again due to calcified tendinitis. 48 hours later I had a procedure done at the Mao Clinic where they injected me with cortisone. I can tell you about dozens of times I've needed medical attention. I get in to my doctor within 48 hours and she sends me to get an MRI within 24 hours. I've had a neck injury that was diagnosed on a Monday and was in surgery within three days getting a plate in my neck to stabilize my spine. It has been a health care system that has worked to near perfection for me. Now I have friends who were forced onto our new government health care and they pay over $1000 a month premium and have $5000 deductibles. It's horrible. Numerous health care providers lost so many hundreds of millions in the last year, they have officially dropped out. The government promised to reimburse them last year but no longer does, so they are out.
I'm very sad because I have some friends here from England and they wanted to stay in the EU. They seem to know their will be financial difficulties coming soon that will make life much more of a burden in England. It could last for decades. Their NHS could collapse. That would be awful. How could this happen to England?
Gosh you sound like you swallowed the project fear manifesto, not surprising as you have friends who wanted to stay.
Anyway, like it or not you are spouting of the doom and gloom of project fear, amazing how many people seem to think that we will end up with no on wanting to trade with us and our economy wrecked so badly that we will have super inflation with 90% unemployment and a loaf of bread costing £100,000,000
Sorry try again, the pound dipped quite a bit after the results started to come in and yes it did drop to lowest for 30 odd years, but of course that was short lived. The pound rose significantly in the weeks before the election as markets thought a Remain vote was inevitable, so in a way it was artificially inflated to start with. Closed today just a few cents short of what it was for a couple of weeks in February, so it has not dropped that much. It will pick up as soon as markets see we are not bankrupt.
Erm NO. Some people in Scotland want to see an independent Scotland, but the majority in that referendum said remain, everyone else is happy in the UK.
If you mean the EU, then yes, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain, but Wales voted to stay. No country is going to leave the UK and go independent any time soon, if at all. 59.9% of London voted to Remain, more than Northern Ireland did with 55.8%.
Really? and you know that how exactly? More Project Fear rhetoric. UK will not plunge into recession and if we do it will be no worse than the recessions brought on by the EU. As for problems in the EU, yes there will be more problems, EU is going to panic trying to find a solution for all the money they will loose from us. Other nations will want thier own referendum and yes Germany will want to trade with us as before, which will not go down at all well.
Without living in UK you do not appreciate or fully understand the NHS and the problems it has had to deal with from governments trying to destroy it in order to sell it to private companies.
Althought people think its "Free", well yes it is free, anyone can turn up to doctors, they say "oh no that not look good, here is an appointment to see specailist at hospital, specialist says "oh no, we have to operate", operation comes and is success, years of after care and not a bill in sight. That is same for all. However we do pay for it, we have National Insurance Tax taken out of our wages which pays for benefits and the NHS.
Decades of hardship, WOW, REALLY? can they see into the future? HOw about we will have decades of prosperity and wealth?
Forums and Facebook is full of the REMAIN voters making all these comments, its like they are in shock and just repeating the mantra they have been taught as if it was fact. We are the 5th strongest economy in the world for goodness sake, we are not going to end up with decades or even years of economic problems and people loosing tons of money, well the politicians might.
Seriously I am fed up of hearing how we are all going to die and fade into nothingness now we voted Leave. I am thinking Canada, Japan, China, India, USA, New Zealand, Australia and the list goes on, will all be looking forward to a restriction free trade with us now we do not have the EU telling us who we can trade with an what we can trade.
Future is bright, UK is free and can once again take the world by storm.
Anyway, like it or not you are spouting of the doom and gloom of project fear, amazing how many people seem to think that we will end up with no on wanting to trade with us and our economy wrecked so badly that we will have super inflation with 90% unemployment and a loaf of bread costing £100,000,000
Sorry try again, the pound dipped quite a bit after the results started to come in and yes it did drop to lowest for 30 odd years, but of course that was short lived. The pound rose significantly in the weeks before the election as markets thought a Remain vote was inevitable, so in a way it was artificially inflated to start with. Closed today just a few cents short of what it was for a couple of weeks in February, so it has not dropped that much. It will pick up as soon as markets see we are not bankrupt.
Erm NO. Some people in Scotland want to see an independent Scotland, but the majority in that referendum said remain, everyone else is happy in the UK.
If you mean the EU, then yes, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain, but Wales voted to stay. No country is going to leave the UK and go independent any time soon, if at all. 59.9% of London voted to Remain, more than Northern Ireland did with 55.8%.
Really? and you know that how exactly? More Project Fear rhetoric. UK will not plunge into recession and if we do it will be no worse than the recessions brought on by the EU. As for problems in the EU, yes there will be more problems, EU is going to panic trying to find a solution for all the money they will loose from us. Other nations will want thier own referendum and yes Germany will want to trade with us as before, which will not go down at all well.
Without living in UK you do not appreciate or fully understand the NHS and the problems it has had to deal with from governments trying to destroy it in order to sell it to private companies.
Althought people think its "Free", well yes it is free, anyone can turn up to doctors, they say "oh no that not look good, here is an appointment to see specailist at hospital, specialist says "oh no, we have to operate", operation comes and is success, years of after care and not a bill in sight. That is same for all. However we do pay for it, we have National Insurance Tax taken out of our wages which pays for benefits and the NHS.
Decades of hardship, WOW, REALLY? can they see into the future? HOw about we will have decades of prosperity and wealth?
Forums and Facebook is full of the REMAIN voters making all these comments, its like they are in shock and just repeating the mantra they have been taught as if it was fact. We are the 5th strongest economy in the world for goodness sake, we are not going to end up with decades or even years of economic problems and people loosing tons of money, well the politicians might.
Seriously I am fed up of hearing how we are all going to die and fade into nothingness now we voted Leave. I am thinking Canada, Japan, China, India, USA, New Zealand, Australia and the list goes on, will all be looking forward to a restriction free trade with us now we do not have the EU telling us who we can trade with an what we can trade.
Future is bright, UK is free and can once again take the world by storm.
No. Obamacare was going to cost her more than she had. To say nothing of the fact that she had already moved to Canada, to be with my son, her husband. And he worked regularly for over 10 years playing pro hockey, so normally they had that insurance in the US. But they moved back to Canada, bought a house, and he decided to play another year in Europe. And so they did plan that sweet little boy. What they did not count on was a strike at immigration Canada, and not being able to have her application for Canadian permanent residency accepted. I think that was part of the reason my son picked England - because he had heard such good things about the NHS. And I am glad he did - there were many other stories of people from various countries (US and UK come to mind) and women who were pregnant and not able to go to a hospital for proper care in Canada that year.
We don't have a system like Obamacare in Canada. We have a not for profit universal health care system. Anyone who is a resident qualifies. In every province but BC the premiums are free. (We pay $85 a month for premiums). So a truly free system,(except for BC) where everyone is covered. Provided you are a Canadian resident! They had been told in would take a few months for her to get her Canadian Health Care insurance, and then the strike threw a monkey wrench into their plans.
Everything they said was that the NHS was so much better than what they experienced in the US. In the US, they fought to get treatment when their HMO said a provider was in their HMO, and then they were denied payment. Then there is the hideous overcharging for prescription medicines in the US. To say nothing of my son going to an ER to get stitches, and being given basically a total physical, because they found out his medical insurance would allow it. He said, one Kleenex he used to blow his nose while in the ER cost $10. Someone is raking in a fortune somewhere in the US system.
The NHS has a prescription med program that is a flat rate of $6 or something (at least it was then). To say nothing of follow up with the pregnancy and the help they got. They had a second child after they got back to Canada, once my DIL was on BC Medical. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really compare to the support and care they got in England.