Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mar 2, 2016
8,896
113
0
1. Yes, they try to enter UK against the law... but that is not what I would call "they are free to come there". You have the right to return them all back they have come from, i.e. to France.
And France has right to return them back to whatever country they have come to them etc. I actually dont understand what is France doing in Calais and why do they tolerate whole the city of illegal immigrants there waiting for the chance to get to UK. France is such a weak joke last years...

3. I did not say British do not want to work. But the truth is they do not want to do the "lower" jobs like staying 12 hours a day in a McDonalds or in hospital. Polish girl working there is not stealing your job. You would not want to do that job.

And remember, it works both sides. You can work in all other 27 countries as well. I am sure native English speaker would be welcome and paid with gold in any of them, mainly in international companies, schools etc.

4. Is it not about the weakness of your legal system as well? The whole world has a problem with muslims, its not only the UK. You can deport them back if you know they are lying or dangerous to your own country. Other countries are doing it without problems.
But for some reason those in power are pushing this invasion and in many cases in defiance of said countries immigration laws. And they use manipulation in the form of psychological warfare on the minds of the people. They are pitting people against each other and sewing chaos and disorder. My question is.....why are they doing this? Why don't they identify the enemy....Islam? It used to be that least politicians played both sides of the fence...and here in the United States we have a president that isn't just missing baskets to help the other team....he's put their uniform on.
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
But for some reason those in power are pushing this invasion and in many cases in defiance of said countries immigration laws. And they use manipulation in the form of psychological warfare on the minds of the people. They are pitting people against each other and sewing chaos and disorder. My question is.....why are they doing this? Why don't they identify the enemy....Islam? It used to be that least politicians played both sides of the fence...and here in the United States we have a president that isn't just missing baskets to help the other team....he's put their uniform on.
I think its the idea of left socialists from Germany, Belgium and Sweden. They want to destroy European diversity and make a new nation without the inclination to a specific nationality. Thats what they need millions of non-european immigrants. They try to produce United States of Europe, mixing races and cultures to make one nation.

Crazy? yes...
 
Last edited:

Desdichado

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2014
8,768
838
113
I think its the idea of left socialists from Germany, Belgium and Sweden. They want to destroy European diversity and make a new nation without the inclination to a specific nationality. Thats what they need millions of non-european immigrants. They try to produce United States of Europe, mixing races and cultures to make one nation.

Crazy? yes...
Yep. Pretty much.
 
Mar 2, 2016
8,896
113
0
But can they be that stupid to think that the snake won't bite them too? I mean ya, maybe some have this idealistic notion of peace and harmony of all people but are they really that stupid realize the inevitable outcome of giving a foothold to people who will eventually getting to chopping their heads off without due process as well?
 
J

jennymae

Guest
I don't think the politicians are aware of what their laws are causing. Ordinary folks have to be dealing with all the people coming here. Luckily this country has seen the light and is closing down the borders rapidly now, but I do know that some European countries aren't...yet. I don't have anything against people from different cultures, but the folks coming here are not the kind you would want to become your neighbor...strange thing is though, I thought those people were opposed to drugs and alcohol, but from what I've seen, they are purdy durn good at drinking and raising h...looks like they are having the best of two worlds...lol...
 

Desdichado

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2014
8,768
838
113
But can they be that stupid to think that the snake won't bite them too? I mean ya, maybe some have this idealistic notion of peace and harmony of all people but are they really that stupid realize the inevitable outcome of giving a foothold to people who will eventually getting to chopping their heads off without due process as well?
Pride has a way of making even the most intelligent, terribly stupid.

When I hear conspiracy theorists or people obsessed about the end times talk about subranational institutions, NGO's, etc. All I can think is that these elites they hold in such high esteem really are increasingly becoming paper tigers.

As much as I dislike the American retreat from the world, it is having a nice effect of showing these ninnies for who they are. Prideful, impotent fools.
 
M

MadParrotWoman

Guest
1. Yes, they try to enter UK against the law... but that is not what I would call "they are free to come there". You have the right to return them all back they have come from, i.e. to France.
And France has right to return them back to whatever country they have come to them etc. I actually dont understand what is France doing in Calais and why do they tolerate whole the city of illegal immigrants there waiting for the chance to get to UK. France is such a weak joke last years...

3. I did not say British do not want to work. But the truth is they do not want to do the "lower" jobs like staying 12 hours a day in a McDonalds or in hospital. Polish girl working there is not stealing your job. You would not want to do that job.

And remember, it works both sides. You can work in all other 27 countries as well. I am sure native English speaker would be welcome and paid with gold in any of them, mainly in international companies, schools etc.

4. Is it not about the weakness of your legal system as well? The whole world has a problem with muslims, its not only the UK. You can deport them back if you know they are lying or dangerous to your own country. Other countries are doing it without problems.
Really you have no clue...
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
But can they be that stupid to think that the snake won't bite them too? I mean ya, maybe some have this idealistic notion of peace and harmony of all people but are they really that stupid realize the inevitable outcome of giving a foothold to people who will eventually getting to chopping their heads off without due process as well?
These elites will always be safe, behind their fences, in their mansions, with the police and armies... the ordinary common people will pay for their ideas.
 
M

MadParrotWoman

Guest
OK this is my last reply to you on this subject because I'm tired of explaining the situation to you, you don't live here and therefore don't understand...
1. Anyone who is a member of the EU is free to roam anywhere in Europe - that is any EU member state. If Germany were to make (for instance Syrians) refugees citizens they are free to come to Britain but putting this aside, you mentioned Calais - nightmare, this is getting very serious. Our lorry drivers are being threatened with violence and have to lock themselves in their vehicles because of the numbers involved trying to board their vehicles illegally. The French appear to be our worst enemies, they appear to not care (at best) about the British or their cause. They have been very vocal and unpleasant since Friday but if I'm honest they have always been difficult.
3. Macdonalds do not do 12 hour shifts and I'm not talking about jobs with 12 hour shifts. Brits can't seem to find work full stop. It doesn't really work both ways because the countries involved (ie. Poland) do not have as much work going and even if a job were available the wage would be so low (hence they come here) Brits could not survive (or would be much worse off) if they went there to work.
4. Here you are just plain wrong! We have tried to deport Islamic fanatics guilty of hate crime and it sometimes takes years because the ECHR overrule our courts' decision to deport them for fear they may be persecuted in their own countries. We had a high-profile case trying to deport one of them to the US as he was wanted over there for crimes he had committed whilst there and it took years, I guess in case he got the death penalty...against his human rights apparently. These people wind-up laughing in our faces because they hate the very laws that are protecting them. I'm sure these courts were meant to protect people from abuse but it has got silly - it is just plain ridiculous!
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
1. I agree with you, that France is acting like mad in Calais. Not only your drivers are threatened, they are throwing things on Czech or Hungarians drivers heading with goods to UK, trying to slow them down. Really no idea what is France waiting for. You should officially complain to what France is doing.
Iam sure you know this video:

[video=youtube;2WuAGjBQX0A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WuAGjBQX0A[/video]

But on the other hand, how the leaving of EU will help you with Calais? The situation will be worse, France said that because of Brexit, they will not have your border control in Calais anymore. They will let them go to Dover and there it will be your problem.

2. Yes, there are poorer countries in EU, but there are also much lower costs of living. So the life is not as bad as you think, there.
They are coming to UK to earn more money and then return back to Poland, which is a very efficient way to get rich :) They would not be so rich if they would stay in UK, because of higher costs of living.
But I can understand that you think they are stealing your jobs and that you cant live anywhere else than in UK. Its more about personal preferences.

4. Can you provide me some resource on any specific case? I cannot imagine why would be UK so much pressed on this issue when other countries do it without a problem...
 
Last edited:
M

Miri

Guest
It's true that people from the UK go to other countries but usually they go for the
work sun or to retire. However not many want to go to Poland, Romania, etc.

The net migration figures show that far more come into the UK than leave the UK.
That is part of the problem a country can't keep on consistently squeezing more and
more in, bearing in mind that this is a drain on health care, schools, housing etc.
See below

Net migration to UK rises to 333,000 - second highest on record - BBC News


Another problem is the UK was paying in far more than it was getting out.

See the link below and scroll down it shows how much each EU member was paying
in 2013. Basically a small number of EU members are propping up the other
countries, I honestly don't know how that can be sustained.

Its like the EU is trying to play out "animal farm" if anyone has read that book which was
a political satire. They are trying to make every EU country the same by bringing the
wealthier countries down and raise up the poorer countries. Stalin would be jumping for
joy if he was alive.


EU Facts: how much does Britain pay to the EU budget? - Telegraph


Re the issue of jobs , there are plenty of UK workers who do the lower paid work. The
problem is that in the Eastern block countries agencies advertise wholesale and bus them
across into the Uk. They never advertise the jobs in the UK. We have even had to set
up a separate government department which deals with these "gang masters".

It's called the gang masters licensing authority I know someone who works there.

Gangmasters Licensing Authority


I think MPW also mentioned it how many are unscrupulous and pay these cheap workers
below the minimum wage.

There has been many reports on the news about how illegal gang cram masters like 30 people into
a 4 bedroom house and practically treat some of these people like slaves. The EU is promoting slavery
did you know that? We never had this problem before the Eastern block countries joined
the EU.

If you don't believe me read this, it is just one example.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/gangsters-on-our-doorstep
 
M

MadParrotWoman

Guest
It isn't difficult to find such material, it has happened too often: Abu Qatada deported: Eight-year battle to kick out hate preacher FINALLY ends - Mirror Online

Regarding the Polish working here...I'm not uncaring, I understand the plight of the Polish and I'm a firm believer that those who have been here for - say 5yrs or more and are settled here should be allowed to stay but really there comes a time when we have to pull the plug. The Germans and French do not seem to realise we are a small island and cannot cope with endless migration. We do not have resources to accommodate them. One hour waiting times in A&E are now 5hrs. The last 3 times I have tried to make a doctors appointment I have had to wait over 2 weeks when I used to be seen the same week. Schools are full to capacity. It has to stop!
1. Regarding Calais, we should be able to deal with them this side of the border, Calais will be a French problem.
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
It isn't difficult to find such material, it has happened too often: Abu Qatada deported: Eight-year battle to kick out hate preacher FINALLY ends - Mirror Online

Regarding the Polish working here...I'm not uncaring, I understand the plight of the Polish and I'm a firm believer that those who have been here for - say 5yrs or more and are settled here should be allowed to stay but really there comes a time when we have to pull the plug. The Germans and French do not seem to realise we are a small island and cannot cope with endless migration. We do not have resources to accommodate them. One hour waiting times in A&E are now 5hrs. The last 3 times I have tried to make a doctors appointment I have had to wait over 2 weeks when I used to be seen the same week. Schools are full to capacity. It has to stop!
1. Regarding Calais, we should be able to deal with them this side of the border, Calais will be a French problem.
I wish you well... I hope this step will not bring you to more troubles.

I understand your point. Its difficult to be in one union with Germany. Germans have a bad habit trying to destroy Europe once in a generation.

You could save it again, like many times. Maybe you did. We will see.

If there would be no immigration from outside Europe, EU would have been in no trouble.
EU is returning back people who want to work and integrate and accepting people who want to live on social benefits and burn police cars. This must stop.
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
We need strong opposition to Germany, in Europe. France is socialist and weak. UK has left. V4 has not the economic power to even Germany, yet.

Any ideas? :)
 
Mar 2, 2016
8,896
113
0
We need strong opposition to Germany, in Europe. France is socialist and weak. UK has left. V4 has not the economic power to even Germany, yet.

Any ideas? :)
Honestly, I think Russia and China are gonna step in. Neither on of them want radical Islam on their front doorstep.
 

Dude653

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2011
12,499
1,076
113
Honestly, I think Russia and China are gonna step in. Neither on of them want radical Islam on their front doorstep.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's part of the reason why UK left the European Union, because of the steadily growing influence of Islam in Europe
 
Mar 2, 2016
8,896
113
0
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's part of the reason why UK left the European Union, because of the steadily growing influence of Islam in Europe
I think you're right but remember how much Russia hates nato. Who controls nato? I think it's the same people who are allowing unfettered immigration of radicals into Europe. I think there are economic reasons also why Russia will unleash hellfire in Europe and the Middle East. Lots of little proxy battles going on right now but I think eventually the gloves are gonna come off.
 
Mar 2, 2016
8,896
113
0
What I believe is that what we are witnessing is the western banking system desperately trying to keep the the dollar pegged to oil because without it it's a bust. But that is just my very uneducated opinion.
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
Honestly, I think Russia and China are gonna step in. Neither on of them want radical Islam on their front doorstep.
Russia is full of muslims, Moscow is the islam capital of Europe. China is quite far away, behind Russia, I cant imagine how China can step in...