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wolfwint

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Lawlessness are those who say "we don't have to be obedient to the law", and ignore He's commandments.
Grace has always been available. Our grace is Jesus Christ which forgives us IF we repent of our sins and practice keeping the commandments.
So then nobody will be saved, because nobody can practice keeping the comandments!
If i am not wrong you mean with torah the 5 books of mose. Them to hold is not taught in the NT.
 
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Good job again JGIG.

I find it funny how Bibleguy has his 11 premises and that he tries to force on you and to make people think those "made up premises" are your only choices.

It reminds me of the card trick where you do a slight of hand to see the bottom card in the deck. I then ask to pick 2 suits. If the person guesses the right suit then I say "pick 5 cards" out of that suit.

If he doesn't pick the suit that I know is at the bottom of the deck - I simply say " Then that leaves the other 2 suits". Then I do the same premises to get down to the suit and the exact card that is at the bottom of the deck. I then use my "premsies" to make him pick the card I know is there.

It's a great trick - but one has to fall for it in order for it to work - which you JGIG have not....:)...perhaps we should re-shuffle the deck to start at the same place?
 
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You have leaders.

Do they lead?

Do they correct?

What is Sabbath breaking?

List about 5 items that would constitute breaking Gods holy command.
Sabbath breaking is deliberate working on the day of the sabbath and is breaking Gods commandments.
Eating unclean creatures is breaking Gods commandments.
Fornication (any sexual immorality) is breaking Gods commandments.
Witchcraft , stubbornness, sorcery and necromancy is breaking Gods commandments.
Not loving and correcting your neighbor is breaking Gods commandments.

These are some simple commandments from the law among many commandments.
 
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So then nobody will be saved, because nobody can practice keeping the comandments!
If i am not wrong you mean with torah the 5 books of mose. Them to hold is not taught in the NT.
And why can nobody keep Gods commandments ? Keeping the commandments of God (The Torah) and having the faith of Jesus Christ is basically what the entire renewed covenant is about
 

wolfwint

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He is a disciple of Jesus Christ. Jesus said IF you continue in my teachings, ye are my disciples indeed (John 8:31). Obviously keeping the law is necessary to be saved from breaking the law (in this life). It is by He's grace, power and might that we are able to be forgiven and have power to return back to Him and be obedient to the Law(Torah). By turning back I mean He's people Israel. Gentiles must convert.
Convert? Convert to whom ore what?
 
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So, if some beef has been slaughtered such that some blood is still left in it, will eating it make a person unclean?
Eating strangled animals that has not been bled out and any animal that is not bled out is breaking the commandment. You will never get 100% of all blood away.
 
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Dan_473, popeye, Grace777x70, Dino246, JGIG, wolfwint, Can any of you give me the bible definition of what Sin is ?
 
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A "renewed" covenant? It looks like Jesus our Lord had no idea about this "renewed" covenant.

Luke 22:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.


Here is the definition of the Greek word "new" that Jesus used in Luke. 22:20

denotes "new," of that which is unaccustomed or unused, not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
 
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A "renewed" covenant? It looks like Jesus our Lord had no idea about this "renewed" covenant.

Luke 22:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.


Here is the definition of the Greek word "new" that Jesus used in Luke. 22:20

denotes "new," of that which is unaccustomed or unused, not "new" in time, recent, but "new" as to form or quality, of different nature from what is contrasted as old.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old Testament and New Testament Words.
It is new and renewed covenant because the marriage term is still the same (Be diligent to keep my laws , statutes and commandments). Those who do not keep the commandments will be rejected upon Christs return (Go away from me, you workers of lawlessness), unfaithful wives with dirty garments.
 

Dino246

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And why can nobody keep Gods commandments ? Keeping the commandments of God (The Torah) and having the faith of Jesus Christ is basically what the entire renewed covenant is about
Uh huh. And have you tithed your crops to your local Levite this year? Given your half-shekel at the Temple (oh, wait... there's no Temple!)? Sacrificed a clean animal for a sin offering? Please... this is just silly. Christians are not under the Old Covenant... full stop. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but your "renewed covenant" is not biblically sound.
 
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It is new and renewed covenant because the marriage term is still the same (Be diligent to keep my laws , statutes and commandments). Those who do not keep the commandments will be rejected upon Christs return (Go away from me, you workers of lawlessness), unfaithful wives with dirty garments.

Even this guy is saying..."Whaaaat?"...a renewed covenant?


 
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Uh huh. And have you tithed your crops to your local Levite this year? Given your half-shekel at the Temple (oh, wait... there's no Temple!)? Sacrificed a clean animal for a sin offering? Please... this is just silly. Christians are not under the Old Covenant... full stop. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but your "renewed covenant" is not biblically sound.
Yes , you are to pay tithe of what you own. Actually the renewed covenant teaches you to give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need. Jesus is our high priest, so the levitical sacrificial ordinances is not needed.
 
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Yes , you are to pay tithe of what you own. Actually the renewed covenant teaches you to give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need. Jesus is our high priest, so the levitical sacrificial ordinances is not needed.

So, you have sold your house and given it to the elders in your city?
 

Dino246

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Yes , you are to pay tithe of what you own. Actually the renewed covenant teaches you to give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need. Jesus is our high priest, so the levitical sacrificial ordinances is not needed.
Clearly, you have not accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You are preaching some serious corruption. Either take your heresy elsewhere, or repent of your dead works and believe in Jesus as the only Saviour. Preferably the latter.
 

Dan_473

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Eating strangled animals that has not been bled out and any animal that is not bled out is breaking the commandment. You will never get 100% of all blood away.

thanks for the answer


if the beef has touched a dead dog, will eating it make a person unclean?
 

Dan_473

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Yes , you are to pay tithe of what you own. Actually the renewed covenant teaches you to give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need. Jesus is our high priest, so the levitical sacrificial ordinances is not needed.

' give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need.'




excellent! is this what Torah says to you?
 
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popeye

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Dan_473, popeye, Grace777x70, Dino246, JGIG, wolfwint, Can any of you give me the bible definition of what Sin is ?
Do's and don'ts =OT

Enter new covenant.

Sins of omission,and sins in the thought life.
Your doctrine just got more complicated
 

notmyown

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Even this guy is saying..."Whaaaat?"...a renewed covenant?



yeah... it's me coming in at the and again :rolleyes:

i don't bandy this term about... i really don't like using it...

but when you begin to see the words 'renewed covenant', you can be pretty sure you're dealing with a Judaizer. :(

if Christ had meant 'renewed', He wouldn't have said 'new'! :)