Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Bowman]

An example of this is where they get their name "amillennialist" meaning "not a thousand years," even though Rev.20:1-7 uses the words "thousand years" six individual times.

The same exact Greek term for 'thousand', that is used in Rev 20, is also used in 2 Peter 3.8, as thus...

But let not this one thing be hidden from you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is 'as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.' (2 Peter 3.8)


So clear is the symbology that even a caveman could understand it.

 

[garee]

The word multitude as “them” already has a meaning assigned to it. Do you agree with the Strong Lexicon .Does it seem to reflect he was speaking to what you called the generation of Israel ?

You conveniently left out the part of the verse that states that the knowledge of the kingdom of God was given to the disciples and therefore all believers.

Hi Ahwatukee, thanks for the reply

I have mentioned that previously. He hid the meaning from the others. That goes without saying. Like any parable found in the scriptures. The spiritual meaning was hid for those other disciples who did not mix faith ,the unseen eternal in what they did hear. The multitude contains both parties. It’s all who hear scriptures, the word of God, after the manner of parables.

What is the spiritual meaning of the parable drink the blood of Christ? Do we drink literal blood which God calls an abomination?

The scriptures to include the parables are written to all who are under the hearing of Christ’s faith, as it is written .There is nothing written to a Jew that is not written to all who believe the word of God or deny it and walk away in unbeliever.(no faith). Are you under the hearing of Christ’s faith?

Not only that, but the other words in the context support who "them" is, which was the crowds that he was speaking to of the generation and not to the church.

Parables are not for the church?

He is giving the spiritual meaning to all hear the parable as the mystery made known . While he hides it from those who do not mix faith in what they do hear. To them all things are done in parables therefore they do not have the mystery made known.

Two different crowds together as one multitude. The ones that do we receive the mystery made known in the red. The other ones without the kingdom regardless of what kind of flesh they have in respect to their bodies of death in the purple

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, “all these things are done in parables:” That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing “they may hear”, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know "all parables"? Mar 4:11

As long as you continue to ignore the plain text of scripture by forcing a spiritual meaning to it, you will just continue to distort the word of God.

No one is forcing anything.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; “comparing spiritual things” with “spiritual”. But the natural man receiveth not “the things of the Spirit of God”: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are “spiritually discerned”. 1Co 2:14

Again I would suggest its comparing the spiritual to the spiritual according to the prescription for mixing faith in what we do hear coming from God.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the “things (spiritual) which are not seen are eternal. 2Corinthians 4:18

 

[garee]

The same exact Greek term for 'thousand', that is used in Rev 20, is also used in 2 Peter 3.8, as thus...

But let not this one thing be hidden from you, beloved, that one day with the Lord is 'as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.' (2 Peter 3.8)


So clear is the symbology that even a caveman could understand it.

Hi Bowman,

I would not say, cavemen, but those given the faith to understand the spiritual meaning of the parable .”Thousand Years”

The term “thousand years” is used ten times in the same way each time to represent an unknown amount of time. Six in Revelation 20 and four throughout the rest of the bible.

Some mistakenly attempt to use this passage to argue that one of God’s eternal days represents a literal thousand earthly years and that the time-span commences immediately following to the Second Advent. When doing so , they do err in their assumption, in that... this text simply indicates the transience of time with God. 2 Peter 3 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading.

Peter is simply reminding such people that time are absolutely nothing to the King of glory. He ultimately sits outside of time in the realm of eternity. Time is but a blink to His infinite mind and to the eternal state.

It is in this context that he addresses these misguided doubters. Peter says in response, ““beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”” (v 8).

Peter therefore outlines two distinct contrasting time equations in this passage for the one purpose of expressing a deep “spiritual truth”. Notwithstanding, and not surprisingly, the Premillennialist are swift to selectively advance the first aspect of this calculation as supposed evidence that one of God’s Divine eternal heavenly days represents a thousand literal temporal earthly years. However while they unquestionably address, and happily literalize, the first part of this calculation they are exceedingly careful to completely side step the second part of the sum. Clearly such is for the reason that it doesn’t fit their flawed hyper-literalist mode of interpretation.

If the literalist mode of interpretation were applied to the second aspect of this sum it would reveal a completely conflicting computation than that established in part one. A thousand of God’s Divine eternal heavenly years expressly representing only one literal earthly day –– which seemingly contradicts the first.

If ......1 heavenly day = 1000 literal earthly years.... then 365 heavenly days (or 1 heavenly year) = 365 literal earthly years (365 x 1000)...... then 1000 heavenly years = 365,000,000 literal earthly years (365 x 1000 x 1000). however, God says in the same passage that: 1000 heavenly years = 1 earthly day.

If this passage is to be interpreted literally, as the Premillennialists often demand, then a thousand of God’s eternal years represents exactly three hundred and sixty five million human years. The sum total of this calculation heartbreakingly highlights the folly of the selective (largely unchallenged) hyper literalist interpretation of 2 Peter 3 and many other similar passages.

Who is right? Either Scripture is here seriously contradicting itself or the Premillennialists are gravely out of order in their hyper-literalist interpretation.

I would think they must acknowledge that Peter is not in the slightest outlining an exact measure of time; rather, he is simply expressing an important eternal truth –– time is nothing with God.

Therefore the Bible student can no more argue that one of God’s eternal days represents a literal thousand (365. day) earthly years than he can promote a thousand of God’s heavenly days too literally represent one literal actual (365 day) earthly year –– the presumption is clearly un-reasonable.

 

[Bowman]

Hi Bowman,

I would not say, cavemen, but those given the faith to understand the spiritual meaning of the parable .”Thousand Years”

The term “thousand years” is used ten times in the same way each time to represent an unknown amount of time. Six in Revelation 20 and four throughout the rest of the bible.

Some mistakenly attempt to use this passage to argue that one of God’s eternal days represents a literal thousand earthly years and that the time-span commences immediately following to the Second Advent. When doing so , they do err in their assumption, in that... this text simply indicates the transience of time with God. 2 Peter 3 does not in any way indicate a future earthly millennium kingdom anywhere in this reading.

Peter is simply reminding such people that time are absolutely nothing to the King of glory. He ultimately sits outside of time in the realm of eternity. Time is but a blink to His infinite mind and to the eternal state.

It is in this context that he addresses these misguided doubters. Peter says in response, ““beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day”” (v 8).

Peter therefore outlines two distinct contrasting time equations in this passage for the one purpose of expressing a deep “spiritual truth”. Notwithstanding, and not surprisingly, the Premillennialist are swift to selectively advance the first aspect of this calculation as supposed evidence that one of God’s Divine eternal heavenly days represents a thousand literal temporal earthly years. However while they unquestionably address, and happily literalize, the first part of this calculation they are exceedingly careful to completely side step the second part of the sum. Clearly such is for the reason that it doesn’t fit their flawed hyper-literalist mode of interpretation.

If the literalist mode of interpretation were applied to the second aspect of this sum it would reveal a completely conflicting computation than that established in part one. A thousand of God’s Divine eternal heavenly years expressly representing only one literal earthly day –– which seemingly contradicts the first.

If ......1 heavenly day = 1000 literal earthly years.... then 365 heavenly days (or 1 heavenly year) = 365 literal earthly years (365 x 1000)...... then 1000 heavenly years = 365,000,000 literal earthly years (365 x 1000 x 1000). however, God says in the same passage that: 1000 heavenly years = 1 earthly day.

If this passage is to be interpreted literally, as the Premillennialists often demand, then a thousand of God’s eternal years represents exactly three hundred and sixty five million human years. The sum total of this calculation heartbreakingly highlights the folly of the selective (largely unchallenged) hyper literalist interpretation of 2 Peter 3 and many other similar passages.

Who is right? Either Scripture is here seriously contradicting itself or the Premillennialists are gravely out of order in their hyper-literalist interpretation.

I would think they must acknowledge that Peter is not in the slightest outlining an exact measure of time; rather, he is simply expressing an important eternal truth –– time is nothing with God.

Therefore the Bible student can no more argue that one of God’s eternal days represents a literal thousand (365. day) earthly years than he can promote a thousand of God’s heavenly days too literally represent one literal actual (365 day) earthly year –– the presumption is clearly un-reasonable.

Hi Garee...

We seem to share some things in common.

From my experience, literalists are not very deep thinkers...and, because of their YEC worldview, they simply gobble-up verses like 2 Peter 3.8 to help justify their belief in a 6k year old earth....without flinching....and then freely move the goal posts when it comes to Rev 20.

They force scripture to mold to their worldview...instead of the other way around...

 

[garee]

Hi Garee...

We seem to share some things in common.

From my experience, literalists are not very deep thinkers...and, because of their YEC worldview, they simply gobble-up verses like 2 Peter 3.8 to help justify their belief in a 6k year old earth....without flinching....and then freely move the goal posts when it comes to Rev 20.

They force scripture to mold to their worldview...instead of the other way around...

Hi Bowman,

I would not say others that hold a different interpretation view on how we can hear God through the scriptures in so much that they are not deep thinkers. It's the mind of Christ that we all would try and conform to as a goal of our faith , Christ in us. It would be more of a fear of looking to the possibility of the use of metaphors. Seeing some false prophets can destroy the meaning of a one word and change the authors intent.

One word that has sort of become a pet peeve would be the word apostle. The meaning is completely destroyed by some that add other meaning to it. The loving commandment to keep us safe from adding to the whole which diminishes the outcome is as it reads


Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

It is word singular in that case and in the end of prophecy it is in respect to the whole, now that we no longer have his will in part but the perfect/complete has come, the elect cannot be deceived .

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Rev 22:18

 

[Dan_473]

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; “comparing spiritual things” with “spiritual”. But the natural man receiveth not “the things of the Spirit of God”: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are “spiritually discerned”. 1Co 2:14

Hi garee,

sounds like we definitely agree that things in the bible can only be understood by the help of the Spirit






Proverbs 1
"to understand a proverb, and parables,
the words and riddles of the wise."

I think secular knowledge is good (for example, knowing the historical context)

but no human can say for sure if a passage that God wrote is a riddle or not,

so that God's wisdom is always necessary to get out of a passage what God put in

 

[Bowman]

Hi Bowman,

I would not say others that hold a different interpretation view on how we can hear God through the scriptures in so much that they are not deep thinkers. It's the mind of Christ that we all would try and conform to as a goal of our faith , Christ in us. It would be more of a fear of looking to the possibility of the use of metaphors. Seeing some false prophets can destroy the meaning of a one word and change the authors intent.

One word that has sort of become a pet peeve would be the word apostle. The meaning is completely destroyed by some that add other meaning to it. The loving commandment to keep us safe from adding to the whole which diminishes the outcome is as it reads


Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

It is word singular in that case and in the end of prophecy it is in respect to the whole, now that we no longer have his will in part but the perfect/complete has come, the elect cannot be deceived .

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.Rev 22:18

Your example of Deut 4.2 uses the term 'had·dā·ḇār', which is a collective noun, and thus imparts 'the word' of God, collectively, not just one word.

Commandments of this sort are repeated all through the Tanak, because the Hebrews were constantly mis-interpreting the text, just the same as modern day Jews, and untold numbers of Christians.

 

[Bowman]

Revelation 17


And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the ones inhabiting the earth became drunk from the wine of her fornication.And he carried me away into a desert, by the Spirit. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast,filled with names of blasphemy, possessing seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and being gilded with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominations and unclean things of her fornication.And on her forehead was a name having been written: Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth. And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her, with a great marveling. And the angel said to me, Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of thewoman, and of The Beast supporting her, the one possessing the seven heads and the ten horns. The Beast which you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss, and goes to perdition.And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, the ones whose names have not been written on the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, seeing The Beast, that it was a thing, and is not, yet will be.Here is the mind having wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains, where the woman sits on them. And the kings are seven. The five fell, and the one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he does come, he must remain a little.AndThe Beast which was, and is not,even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition.And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour with The Beast.These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to The Beast.These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones. And he says to me, The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.And the ten horns which you saw andThe Beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.For God gave into their hearts to do His mind, and to act in one mind, and to give their kingdom to The Beast,until the Words of God shall be fulfilled.And the woman whom you saw is the city,the great, the having a kingdomoverthe kings of the earth.


Indicators that ‘The Beast’ of Rev 17 is Satan:


· The events described lead up to Judgment (Rev 17.1)
· Mankind (i.e. referred to as the woman, the great harlot, Babylon the great, the great city, etc) is stated to have been seated upon The Beast (17.3, 17.7)
· The Beast’s color is described as scarlet (Rev 17.3)
· The Beast that carried mankind was, and is not (because he is bound), and will come out of the abyss (future tense) and go to perdition (Rev 17.8, 17.11).
· The Beast is shown to be separate from the seven heads and the ten horns via the usage of articular nouns (Rev 17.7)
· Only The Beast is mentioned to have gone away and then to return in the future (Rev 17.8, 17.11)
· When The Beast comes out of the abyss, the ten horns will unite with him for a very short period of time (Rev 17.12 – 13)
· The Beast and his army wage war on The Lamb and His army – but the Lamb is victorious (Rev 17.14)

Bump for prove-all...

 

[Bowman]

Bowman: ‘Why do you deny that Satan is mentioned as being bound in the abyss in Rev 9?’

Ahwatukee: ‘Because it does not fit with my linear worldview. Satan has a an identical evil twin brother who shares verbatim names and titles – but is actually not Satan.’

 

[Bowman]

Ahwatukee's version of Rev 9...

 

[Bowman]

Do we have any voters in this thread who have changed their viewpoint after casting their vote...?

 

[Bowman]

Bump...

 

[ukok102nak]

as it is written
:read:
Revelation of John 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation of John 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

... . until that day satan :haha:
is bound by the power of good

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: and for "evil twin of satan" :haha:
its another story . ...
:read:
Exodus 34:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew you two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which you brake. 2*And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present yourself there to me in the top of the mount.
3*And no man shall come up with you, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4*And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
5*And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6*And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

:now: if anyone knows who is speaking here
then he/she shall know the very wisdom
that those evil things put unto the world as there is always
a twin evil beneath the bottom of darkness

. ... god gave us all the hope and faith that we need in your grace
not only for the salvation of our souls but for the salvation of all
souls that could attain mercy who wants to do your good will

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[Bowman]

as it is written
:read:
Revelation of John 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation of John 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

... . until that day satan :haha:
is bound by the power of good

:ty:

godbless us all always

Satan is now bound...and we are in The First Resurrection time period...

 

[Bowman]

:smoke: and for "evil twin of satan" :haha:
its another story . ...
:read:
Exodus 34:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew you two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which you brake. 2*And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present yourself there to me in the top of the mount.
3*And no man shall come up with you, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4*And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
5*And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6*And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

:now: if anyone knows who is speaking here
then he/she shall know the very wisdom
that those evil things put unto the world as there is always
a twin evil beneath the bottom of darkness

. ... god gave us all the hope and faith that we need in your grace
not only for the salvation of our souls but for the salvation of all
souls that could attain mercy who wants to do your good will

:ty:

godbless us all always

In Exo 34, Yahweh the Father comes down to Moses, cloaked in a cloud, and proclaims Yahweh The Son and Yahweh The Spirit, in the declaration ‘Yahweh, Yahweh’…

 

[ukok102nak]

Satan is now bound...and we are in The First Resurrection time period...

:smoke: it is not what you think
do you know why satan is not yet bound because
satan will be bound when the thousand year reign of
our lord jesus christ comes
for everyone could notice that within that thousand year
all of the goodness on earth shall prevail because
the only begotten son of god
is with us during his reign over all that is evil
meaning no evil things shall come unto the world at the said period of time
as it is written
:read:
4*And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word a of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

:now: tell to everyone if all the goodness that was prepared by our lord god the almighty father who is good and doesnt lie
if it is happening to entire world today and
even for tomorrow if it will happen again until it reach the cycle of a millinium

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[Bowman]

:smoke: it is not what you think
do you know why satan is not yet bound because
satan will be bound when the thousand year reign of
our lord jesus christ comes
for everyone could notice that within that thousand year
all of the goodness on earth shall prevail because
the only begotten son of god
is with us during his reign over all that is evil
meaning no evil things shall come unto the world at the said period of time
as it is written
:read:
4*And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word a of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

:now: tell to everyone if all the goodness that was prepared by our lord god the almighty father who is good and doesnt lie
if it is happening to entire world today and
even for tomorrow if it will happen again until it reach the cycle of a millinium

:ty:

godbless us all always

Entirely incorrect.

The First Resurrection = The 1,000 year reign with Christ.

It began at The Cross...

Rev 5.9 - 10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy are You to receive the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and by Your blood purchased us to Godout of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign over the earth.

Furthermore, there is plenty of evil in the world (i.e. demons) during the 1K year reign, as thus...

A declaration of Yahweh to my Master: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool. Yahweh shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies. Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth. Yahweh has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. The Master at Your right hand shatters kings in the day of His anger. He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land. He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head. (Psalm 110.1 - 7)

 

[ukok102nak]

In Exo 34, Yahweh the Father comes down to Moses, cloaked in a cloud, and proclaims Yahweh The Son and Yahweh The Spirit, in the declaration ‘Yahweh, Yahweh’…

:smoke: the word yahweh
which youve mention is a man made made doctrine
for the name of our lord god shall never be mention again
until all their ( the father and the son )
people who believe in good literally and spiritually are in heaven
along with each others ( the ever loving people of the father and the son
with their loveones )
as it is written
:read:
3*And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4*And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

Entirely incorrect.

The First Resurrection = The 1,000 year reign with Christ.

It began at The Cross...

Rev 5.9 - 10 And they sing a new song, saying, Worthy are You to receive the scroll, and to open its seals, because You were slain, and by Your blood purchased us to Godout of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign over the earth.

Furthermore, there is plenty of evil in the world (i.e. demons) during the 1K year reign, as thus...

A declaration of Yahweh to my Master: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool. Yahweh shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies. Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth. Yahweh has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. The Master at Your right hand shatters kings in the day of His anger. He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land. He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head. (Psalm 110.1 - 7)

:smoke: the verses that you posted Rev 5:9-10 is not meant for the entire people who were love by god thats why they will be save when the time comes
meaning
your interpretaion on the scripture is truelly incorrect :haha:

you should know how to interpret scriptures
for the passage Rev 5:9-10 the correct interpretation is
as it is written
:read:
2*And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3*And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4*These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb anywhere he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the first-fruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5*And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
~;> THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN ON HOW SATAN IS BOUND NOW :rofl:

:8) sounds like a old mormons doctrines ( we hope they change their doctrines )
where the 144,000 are the only people who will multiply after the great tribulations comes unto us
and they really love that part ( go out and multiply :rofl: )

... . unlike this passage
as it is written
:read:
9*After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and families, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

:yawn: this is how to interpret scriptures and
not translating it only


:ty:

godbless us all always