Dear 'BibleGuy' . . .

[simplifiedtruth]

Clearly, you have not accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You are preaching some serious corruption. Either take your heresy elsewhere, or repent of your dead works and believe in Jesus as the only Saviour. Preferably the latter.

All you got is your own private words. This is the gospel that you claim to support:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

thanks for the answer


if the beef has touched a dead dog, will eating it make a person unclean?

Yes.

Leviticus 11:24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even. 25And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even. 26The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, areunclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean. 27And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those areunclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even. 28And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.29These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind, 30And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole. 31These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even. 32And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.33And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it. 34Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean. 35And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean, and shall be unclean unto you.36Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean. 37And if any part of their carcase fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean. 38But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcase fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.39And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even. 40And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

' give everything you have to the established elders of the body of Christ and have everything in common and to every mans need.'




excellent! is this what Torah says to you?

The Torah command tithing, and the gospel commands All.

Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. 24And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 25For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.36And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

It does not necessarily command you to give all you own to the unbelievers or "this world" , but to be given your fellow brothers in Christ for the sake of the Gospel first.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

Doing what God says not to do

Sin is transgression of the Torah (Law of God)(1John3:4), and any commands from that pertain to you in the prophets and in the gospel.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

Do's and don'ts =OT

Enter new covenant.

Sins of omission,and sins in the thought life.
Your doctrine just got more complicated

Sin is transgressing Gods instructions, Especially the Torah (Law of God). 1 john 3:4. Simple as that.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Sin is transgressing Gods instructions, Especially the Torah (Law of God). 1 john 3:4. Simple as that.

What about for those who aren't under the Torah?

 

[simplifiedtruth]

yeah... it's me coming in at the and again

i don't bandy this term about... i really don't like using it...

but when you begin to see the words 'renewed covenant', you can be pretty sure you're dealing with a Judaizer.

if Christ had meant 'renewed', He wouldn't have said 'new'!

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If you don't keep the commandments and your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees by doing so you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person (Matt 15:11)

Defiles, yes. Forbidden creatures to eat is called "unclean" or unlawful meat, and is a sin.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

yes, and that sounds simple to me

but for people who want to follow the dietary rules, it looks much more complicated

don't eat that, do eat this (but only under certain conditions)


I like
'...the simplicity that is in Christ.'


1 CORINTHIANS 10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

It is very simple. Just don't eat what God tell you not to eat. The simplicity you are talking about is rebellion and "do what you want"

 

[FlSnookman7]

Defiles, yes. Forbidden creatures to eat is called "unclean" or unlawful meat, and is a sin.

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[TD]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
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[simplifiedtruth]

From what I have read in their posts,and I am not sure if they even realize it,they seem to see Jesus as a catalyst for law obedience.

It is backwards. If I get the lawgiver inside me,and relinquish my rights,I am far more likely to ,not only do the law,but all the other attributes as well.

Besides how do they handle the sins of omission,and sins of the thought life.

Enter the confession booth,with human accountability.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[FlSnookman7]

It is very simple. Just don't eat what God tell you not to eat. The simplicity you are talking about is rebellion and "do what you want"

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[TD]Tit 1:14
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[TD]Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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Tit 1:15
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[TD]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
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[popeye]

Sin is transgressing Gods instructions, Especially the Torah (Law of God). 1 john 3:4. Simple as that.

Show me.

Show me where Jesus was wrong when he ADDED the sins of OMISSION and those of THE THOUGHTS.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

You said that man came in afterwards and modified those laws.

The REASON is,how do you define work?

The reason they would forbid shoes is someone could conceivably plant in the divot in the dirt of a shoe.

Sandals now become a plow.

No matter what,Jesus is bigger than his law.

The reason a legalist is a legalist is because that dimension,that they are oblivious to,is backwards.

Deliberate working on the sabbath. Doing your own pleasure on the sabbath (What you want to do), instead of resting. Any obligations should not apply to you on the sabbath and you should not do your own.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[notmyown]

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If you don't keep the commandments and your righteousness does not exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees by doing so you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Defiles, yes. Forbidden creatures to eat is called "unclean" or unlawful meat, and is a sin.

hi there.

i just wanted to let you know, out of kindness, you're wasting your time with me.

i've been around this particular mulberry bush more than a few times with folks who think as you do, and i'm "all done", as my grandson would say.

if you're looking to bait someone, or make someone feel 'less than' you'll have to look somewhere else.

i won't be back.

edited to say-- good luck keeping the whole Law perfectly.
suggest you repent and believe the Gospel.

 

[popeye]

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

He didnt say he came that THEY COULD BE FULFILLED,but rather that HE IS the fulfillment.

You transpose a concept onto a person.

Jesus is the concept,not a catalyst TO A CONCEPT.

You are in error friend.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

The Lawyer is just trying to tempt Christ and is not actually seeking a real deal or questions about eternal life. So our Lord Jesus pointed to him the impossibility of doing the Law. Assuming “If” ever the lawyer did according to his might what is written in the Law still the Lord told him that he shall only live by it and not a bit of offering eternal life. It will be noted that it was not Christ who says this and that of the Law for eternal life but the lawyer with no good intention.

There you are and I see you’re coming from. Salvation by grace through faith leads to eternal life. Correct! Obeying the TORAH on the other hand that is applicable to the saved Christian is for rewards during JSOC and not to gain eternal life.

God bless.

Obeying the Torah is part of a believer being saved from living in their sins. If your Torah observance does not exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[popeye]

Defiles, yes. Forbidden creatures to eat is called "unclean" or unlawful meat, and is a sin.

That Paul ate regularly.

He even ate meat sacrificed to idols,killed and bled improperly.

You got a edited bible,or what?

 

[simplifiedtruth]

From previous posts back and forth between me and Bibleguy he believes that we become a Jew once we are saved. That is why he posts what he does.

• II Corinthians 3:13-16 States Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it (the heart) shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

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The Jew in part has been blinded during this age because they will not accept that the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law. He became that perfect sacrifice accepted by the Father for our sins imputing us HIS righteousness through the death, burial, and Resurrection.

Until Bibleguy turns his heart towards the Lord his vail will remain over his heart, being blinded to the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. We can and have refuted every point that bibleguy makes but he will not see that until he turns to the Lord. We must remember this when posting back to bibleguy that we cannot remove the vail he must do it by turning to the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why we must not get frustrated or insult bibleguy, but continue to use scripture to refute his position and help young Christians (i dont mean age) avoid being led back under the law.

God Bless

This is part of the gospel and part of being saved from your sins:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

There is only one gospel and one way.

 

[simplifiedtruth]

He sees himself as a teacher.

His teaching is bogus.

Pride keeps him from putting the thing in reverse and finding where he went astray.

It is a bitter pill to see ones self as an expert teacher,only to find out they are wrong. A huge investment down the drain.

Such a bitter pill.

Pride keeps you from accepting Matthew 5:17-20 and 1 John 3:4.