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FreeNChrist

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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Love for God and others is the fulfillment of the Law.

It's love, not Law, that begets love from us.

So, who do you suppose it really is that God is speaking of in those veress?
 
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I don't think, I know what the word say:

Matthew 5:20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
lol.. Well, Your has not. No ones every could.. Jesus said a few of them kept the law.. And they were not good enough to get in by their deeds..

Jesus was stating a truth, People back then thought the pharasee was the righteous one who would make it to heaven,, Jesus stated a fact, Unless your righteousness exceeded theirs, (which no ones did) then no one had hope.

I pray you do not think you keep the law perfect since birth.. For only one mad did this, and that was christ... If you did.. Then you did not need christ to begin with.
 

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I think you have that backwards. It is those who are under the Law who will be judged by it, not those who are not under it.
Amen
GALATIANS 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
 
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Jesus showed that he had the ability to say what the law meant

MATTHEW 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’
MATTHEW 5:28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Jesus speaking through Paul
GALATIANS 5:14 For all the law is made complete in one word, even in this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself.
Yes, 10th commandment you shall not covet:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

On those two commandments "Hang" all the law and the prophets. He is saying this is what the law and the prophets is all about in short, not that you only have two commandments that you can privately interpret to what you think them to be.
 
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Those are covered by being willing to believe in the future bulls and lambs that will be sacrificed when they re-build a temple and the sacrifices are resumed.......:rolleyes: ( we don't really need Jesus - He just came to point us back to the law )

There is the Lord Jesus Christ way.

John 3:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.


And then there by "keeping the law" way.


Galatians 3:10-12 (NASB)

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."

[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
Which I never said. Just because we don't sacrifice animals for sins does not mean we omit Gods will by rebelling against He's commandments in the Law.
 

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Yes it is simpler for you to choose to go that route to rebel against Gods commandment. Know this that you will be judged for it and receive a greater condemnation than those who have no knowledge of what the bible has to say about it.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
maybe we're getting somewhere...

so, this sounds to you like the 'route to rebel against Gods commandment.'

1 CORINTHIANS 10:25 Whatever is sold in the butcher shop, eat, asking no question for the sake of conscience,
 
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You can chose all you want, You will never live up to his standard. You will fall short.. and continue..


it does not mean you cna not be a righteous person who is christlike. It means you will never EARN salvation.

If you think you can, your no better than the pharisee who crucified Christ.. Who thought they could be good enough too
No one is deserving of salvation because we have all been guilty by sinning. Christ wants to take our place , and he will, IF we choose to follow him. If you deny to follow Christ, He will deny you. If you shun the commandments and refuse to be transformed by the renewing of your mind and walk in newness of life , He will deny you.
 
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Love for God and others is the fulfillment of the Law.

It's love, not Law, that begets love from us.

So, who do you suppose it really is that God is speaking of in those veress?
He is speaking to you. Those commandments you mention are the two greatest commandments in the Law (Torah), and is basically what the entire Torah is all about(If you keep it, that is).

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
 
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He is speaking to you. Those commandments you mention are the two greatest commandments in the Law (Torah), and is basically what the entire Torah is all about(If you keep it, that is).

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
What causes love for God and others is God’s love for us, not Law. Those who understand this the most are those who teach the Law in its entirety the most. They are not those who slice and dice the Law, reducing its demand for perfection and thereby cheapening it.

The truth is actually counterintuitive. It is a low view of the Law that produces legalism, not a high view. A high view leads us to realize our need for God's grace. But a low view of the Law causes us to think we can do it….but only because we have lowered the bar enough for us to jump over it. It is this cheapened Law that is the greatest enemy of God's grace because it causes us to think that God will accept something less than the perfect righteousness of Christ.
 

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Yes, Leviticus 11 and Leviticus 15 should cover them all if i am not mistaken. However those are unlikely to happen.

the clean animal may have touched dead animal flesh during processing... it may be halal meat... wouldn't it make sense to ask?
 
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Amen
GALATIANS 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 

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Yes, 10th commandment you shall not covet:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy [FONT=&]neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [/FONT]is thy neighbour's.

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, [FONT=&]Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.[/FONT] 40[FONT=&]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

On those two commandments "Hang" all the law and the prophets. He is saying this is what the law and the prophets is all about in short, not that you only have two commandments that you can privately interpret to what you think them to be.
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Jesus speaking through Paul says how we complete the law
GALATIANS 5:14 For all the law is made complete in one word, even in this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself.

True! It isn't a private interpretation
 
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lol.. Well, Your has not. No ones every could.. Jesus said a few of them kept the law.. And they were not good enough to get in by their deeds..

Jesus was stating a truth, People back then thought the pharasee was the righteous one who would make it to heaven,, Jesus stated a fact, Unless your righteousness exceeded theirs, (which no ones did) then no one had hope.

I pray you do not think you keep the law perfect since birth.. For only one mad did this, and that was christ... If you did.. Then you did not need christ to begin with.
Wrong.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 12:1
In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Read the whole chapter of Matthew 23.

When I sin, I have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, who is able to forgive me and get me back up on my feet and give me grace to repent of it.
 
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maybe we're getting somewhere...

so, this sounds to you like the 'route to rebel against Gods commandment.'

1 CORINTHIANS 10:25 Whatever is sold in the butcher shop, eat, asking no question for the sake of conscience,
How many times do I have to explain Corinthians chapter 10 to you ? Read before and after. Its meat sold by pagans which MAY have been sacrificed to idols.
 
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the clean animal may have touched dead animal flesh during processing... it may be halal meat... wouldn't it make sense to ask?
What do you mean ? An animal is dead when processing it just like another dead animal next to it. Touching dead animals is the carcase of animals found.
 
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What causes love for God and others is God’s love for us, not Law. Those who understand this the most are those who teach the Law in its entirety the most. They are not those who slice and dice the Law, reducing its demand for perfection and thereby cheapening it.

The truth is actually counterintuitive. It is a low view of the Law that produces legalism, not a high view. A high view leads us to realize our need for God's grace. But a low view of the Law causes us to think we can do it….but only because we have lowered the bar enough for us to jump over it. It is this cheapened Law that is the greatest enemy of God's grace because it causes us to think that God will accept something less than the perfect righteousness of Christ.
If you Sin, you grieve the Holy Spirit. If you continue to be a sinner you will be cast forth as a branch, and become spiritually destitute. If you love God and are being led by He's Spirit, you will love the commandments and rejoice in keeping them. It is Gods grace that leads us to repentance towards forgiveness and obedience. Any man who comes to God he will not reject, and will help that person in doing so as long as he wants to. Those who do not want to come to God by shunning He's conviction and drawing is eventually given over to their own lusts, at least for a time for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit might be saved in later time.
 
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Wrong.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 12:1
In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Read the whole chapter of Matthew 23.

When I sin, I have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, who is able to forgive me and get me back up on my feet and give me grace to repent of it.
wrong

history has been recorded for a reason.
you need a law ,to define sin. if you posted that today, then your born in to a new covenant, not a past or old covenant. (committed under the first covenant).
the promised eternal inheritance ,came through a saviour ,not law . so you err big time in you interpretation of scripture.
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.Hebrews 9

if the first covenant was given to moses, that would need a temple of stone, because of the requirement of this law.


who told you there was a new covenant.

25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me."2

the apostiles.

so who explain or told you there was a new covenant. ie hebrews and new testament apostles.
 
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If you Sin, you grieve the Holy Spirit. If you continue to be a sinner you will be cast forth as a branch, and become spiritually destitute. If you love God and are being led by He's Spirit, you will love the commandments and rejoice in keeping them. It is Gods grace that leads us to repentance towards forgiveness and obedience. Any man who comes to God he will not reject, and will help that person in doing so as long as he wants to. Those who do not want to come to God by shunning He's conviction and drawing is eventually given over to their own lusts, at least for a time for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit might be saved in later time.

Okie dokie smokie.......
 
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Wrong.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Luke 12:1
In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Read the whole chapter of Matthew 23.

When I sin, I have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous, who is able to forgive me and get me back up on my feet and give me grace to repent of it.

Thanks you just proved me right.

Did you even read what I said?