Christian Singer Comes Out

[Voldemort]

Not sure what point your making other than you think others sound like they are wrong and you seem to think you have a better way? I would just ask if you have actually ever preached the gospel to a sinner and seen them delivered by Gods Power? Have you ever ministered to sinners in the Name and Calling of Jesus Christ? If not? Maybe you don't really understand the work of the Holy Spirit in the process of a true conversion from sin to Christ?

It's not my way, I won't take credit for that. The blueprints are the words of God in His Holy Bible.

John 13:34-35New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Of course I've ministered to my brothers and sisters. I think this is why I have a testimony of the fruitfulness of love and considering the entirety of the the bible rather than just regurgitating the same scripture to homosexual people ("homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord!")

I think the Spirit has shown people the error of their ways, through me, more efficiency when it's a message of unconditional love from our Father in Heaven, than from a place of contempt and matter-of-fact speaking, saying the same thing over and over while ignoring the other message God would have us deliver.

 

[Mitspa]

It's not my way, I won't take credit for that. The blueprints are the words of God in His Holy Bible.

John 13:34-35New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]34 [/SUP]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. [SUP]35 [/SUP]By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Of course I've ministered to my brothers and sisters. I think this is why I have a testimony of the fruitfulness of love and considering the entirety of the the bible rather than just regurgitating the same scripture to homosexual people ("homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord!")

I think the Spirit has shown people the error of their ways, through me, more efficiency when it's a message of unconditional love from our Father in Heaven, than from a place of contempt and matter-of-fact speaking, saying the same thing over and over while ignoring the other message God would have us deliver.

Do you allow that all scripture is written in love? And that a correction or warning from scripture can be harsh but also done in love? Do you believe that Jesus was walking in Love when He rebuked and warned others? Do you believe he was walking in love when He made a whip and drove people out of the temple? Do you think Paul was walking in Love when He delivered people over to satan and even blinded one man? Was Peter walking in love when those two people fell dead at his feet by the power of God? Do you understand biblical love or are you trying to bring in a worldly concept of "love"?

 

[DoubtingSam]

Your point is is human reasoning that is not founded in truth. How can one assume that what is perceived as natural feels when our feeling deceive us all the time? When our feeling go against the Word of God we obey the word of god and not act on our feelings . The reason why one feels vile, disgusted, and sick with shame is told to us in the bible. it called Condemnation. That is how sin works we have the false feeling produced by a lust of the flesh to do what God said do not do and when we willfully do that sin , we suffer Condemnation. These why the message of the Cross is so powerful IN Christ we do not have condemnation HE sets us free . My feelings do not change the word of God . having sex is natural act but self-control and obeying the word of God I have sex in the context that HE ordained it to be. I may have the nature feeling to reproduce but I do not use that feeling in a unnatural way or outside the ordination of God .

You don't look at women and commit adultery in your heart? Never? Sorry, but I don't buy this. We are all sexually immoral. And no, being imperfect after conversion is not condemnation.

 

[Voldemort]

Do you allow that all scripture is written in love? And that a correction or warning from scripture can be harsh but also done in love? Do you believe that Jesus was walking in Love when He rebuked and warned others? Do you believe he was walking in love when He made a whip and drove people out of the temple? Do you think Paul was walking in Love when He delivered people over to satan and even blinded one man? Was Peter walking in love when those two people fell dead at his feet by the power of God? Do you understand biblical love or are you trying to bring in a worldly concept of "love"?

The Holy Bible would cease to be the cornerstone of our faith if it taught a "wordly love". We can disagree with which method is best to open the hearts and minds of our unbelieving brothers and sisters, but please don't make this about questioning me, my intentions or lack of understanding.

 

[CS1]

You don't look at women and commit adultery in your heart? Never? Sorry, but I don't buy this. We are all sexually immoral. And no, being imperfect after conversion is not condemnation.

I think you missed the point, attraction is not lust you see many example of women who were recorded in the bible as being very attractive, My daughters attractive and no I do not have any sexual connotation to them at all; Sorry to disappoint you but never .

and looking at a women is not committing adultery . The bible is clear what it is when looking on a women with " lust in your heart" that is adulterer matt 5. Your point is not clear to me. Just like temptation is not a sin Unless you become a willful participant of the suggestion then it becomes sin. have i sinned? yes, am I an adulterer ? no. sex in the context as God ordain it to be is to be between one man and one women in Marriage. Saying that is not an attack on gays it is bible truth.

 

[Mitspa]

The Holy Bible would cease to be the cornerstone of our faith if it taught a "wordly love". We can disagree with which method is best to open the hearts and minds of our unbelieving brothers and sisters, but please don't make this about questioning me, my intentions or lack of understanding.

So you can question other members who have posted on this thread ..but when you are questioned about your own understanding and ability to challenge others ..you get offended? I don't think you understand the love of God or sound doctrine established in love ...not the "love" the world teaches but the "love" God teaches. I don't think you understand how to "open" the hearts or minds of sinners to the truth of Christ. I think you and many others think that being a Christian is like joining a social club or group, not dying to self upon the Cross of Christ. being born-again by the Spirit of God and living in the newness of life in the Spirit.

 

[DoubtingSam]

I think you missed the point, attraction is not lust you see many example of women who were recorded in the bible as being very attractive, My daughters attractive and no I do not have any sexual connotation to them at all; Sorry to disappoint you but never .

and looking at a women is not committing adultery . The bible is clear what it is when looking on a women with " lust in your heart" that is adulterer matt 5. Your point is not clear to me. Just like temptation is not a sin Unless you become a willful participant of the suggestion then it becomes sin. have i sinned? yes, am I an adulterer ? no. sex in the context as God ordain it to be is to be between one man and one women in Marriage. Saying that is not an attack on gays it is bible truth.

Go work out in a gym with all kinds of sexy women in spandex walking around and report back.

 

[Sirk]

Go work out in a gym with all kinds of sexy women in spandex walking around and report back.

Maybe he has a gym in his basement.

 

[Voldemort]

So you can question other members who have posted on this thread ..but when you are questioned about your own understanding and ability to challenge others ..you get offended? I don't think you understand the love of God or sound doctrine established in love ...not the "love" the world teaches but the "love" God teaches. I don't think you understand how to "open" the hearts or minds of sinners to the truth of Christ. I think you and many others think that being a Christian is like joining a social club or group, not dying to self upon the Cross of Christ. being born-again by the Spirit of God and living in the newness of life in the Spirit.

Who did I personally question? I speak in terms of the general public in my own life experiences. If I question someone, it'll be in private and not out of contempt.

I'm also not offended, I just think it's uncalled for to make personal judgments of people you know nothing about. You say I don't know how to open the hearts and minds of sinners... you're right..., it's the Spirit who resides inside of me that does it. The true love (not wordly love) the Holy Bible tells us doesn't say to mask our animosity of sinners behind His word. He tells us to love one another... by this, men will know we are His disciples. If people are fixated on their sin and justify it in their own minds, simply telling them "it's a sin" won't do anything fruitful to their heart or mind. Showing them the love of God and praying that the Spirit will penetrated their hardened heart WILL be exponentially more of an impact by comparison. As I said, we can agree to disagree on this concept though.

 

[Mitspa]

Who did I personally question? I speak in terms of the general public in my own life experiences. If I question someone, it'll be in private and not out of contempt.

I'm also not offended, I just think it's uncalled for to make personal judgments of people you know nothing about. You say I don't know how to open the hearts and minds of sinners... you're right..., it's the Spirit who resides inside of me that does it. The true love (not wordly love) the Holy Bible tells us doesn't say to mask our animosity of sinners behind His word. He tells us to love one another... by this, men will know we are His disciples. If people are fixated on their sin and justify it in their own minds, simply telling them "it's a sin" won't do anything fruitful to their heart or mind. Showing them the love of God and praying that the Spirit will penetrated their hardened heart WILL be exponentially more of an impact by comparison. As I said, we can agree to disagree on this concept though.

Again you seem to want to define love in terms of the world and social acceptance of sin along the lines of what sounds like the gay agenda ..while you say you are not challenging others godliness and attitudes toward sinners you do that very thing in a way that you seem to think shields you from godly correction of your own errors. I don't think anyone has said the idea is to just tell someone "its a sin"..so you seem to be trying to build a bit of a strawman to argue against. Be sure that everyone that comes to the Savoir of our sins, has a strong and clear conviction of the sin that that demands they need a Savior. You seem like a person with good intentions and a gentle heart, so I don't mean to be harsh or unkind in my correction of you. But I can tell you that you are missing the intention of what many have posted here and taking up a common argument of those that are promoting error in the "church" and how the gospel is applied to sinners in the world.

 

[Voldemort]

Again you seem to want to define love in terms of the world and social acceptance of sin along the lines of what sounds like the gay agenda ..while you say you are not challenging others godliness and attitudes toward sinners you do that very thing in a way that you seem to think shields you from godly correction of your own errors. I don't think anyone has said the idea is to just tell someone "its a sin"..so you seem to be trying to build a bit of a strawman to argue against. Be sure that everyone that comes to the Savoir of our sins, has a strong and clear conviction of the sin that that demands they need a Savior. You seem like a person with good intentions and a gentle heart, so I don't mean to be harsh or unkind in my correction of you. But I can tell you that you are missing the intention of what many have posted here and taking up a common argument of those that are promoting error in the "church" and how the gospel is applied to sinners in the world.

Are you actually reading my posts then? lol

Can you copy/paste anything about my articulating "social acceptable" and it being defined as God's "love" or any form of "love"?

On the contrary, would you like me to copy/paste my posts defining "love" by articulating the love God had for His children to send his only begotten son to the world to atone for mankind's sins? That by doing so, we can be made clean again. I've said this at least 3 times now with no "acceptance of sin" in reference to social settings/norms.

I'll wait for your response before I continue because I haven't a clue why you keep saying this.

 

[Mitspa]

Are you actually reading my posts then? lol

Can you copy/paste anything about my articulating "social acceptable" and it being defined as God's "love" or any form of "love"?

I'll wait for your response before I continue because I haven't a clue why you keep saying this.

Your words...The true love (not wordly love) the Holy Bible tells us doesn't say to mask our animosity of sinners behind His word. He tells us to love one another... by this, men will know we are His disciples. If people are fixated on their sin..

Again a strawman .. "masked animosity" .."fixation upon other peoples sin" ..not walking in love ..these are all common arguments where folks who defend the gay agenda being brought into church and sound doctrine, try to accuse other believers of the sin of "not walking in love" while at the same time go on about how others sin should not be addressed or corrected in a biblical way. Guy I have debated hundreds of people on this issue ..I know the "spirit" of what you are trying to argue based on a false and worldly idea of "love" ...

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Go work out in a gym with all kinds of sexy women in spandex walking around and report back.

If that is causing you to sin then Jesus says to get rid of it that causes us to sin. There are Christians that are mature in their relationship with the Lord where being around women won't cause them to lust. Just because maybe in your world this is true it doesn't mean it is true for all Christians.

 

[Mitspa]

Are you actually reading my posts then? lol

Can you copy/paste anything about my articulating "social acceptable" and it being defined as God's "love" or any form of "love"?

On the contrary, would you like me to copy/paste my posts defining "love" by articulating the love God had for His children to send his only begotten son to the world to atone for mankind's sins? That by doing so, we can be made clean again. I've said this at least 3 times now with no "acceptance of sin" in reference to social settings/norms.

I'll wait for your response before I continue because I haven't a clue why you keep saying this.

Let me just ask you ..do you believe a minister of Christ can be gay or a gay person can serve God and keep true biblical standards that the New Testament applies to all believers?

 

[DoubtingSam]

If that is causing you to sin then Jesus says to get rid of it that causes us to sin. There are Christians that are mature in their relationship with the Lord where being around women won't cause them to lust. Just because maybe in your world this is true it doesn't mean it is true for all Christians.

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[kaylagrl]

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Its a matter of the heart,not the extremities.

 

[1ofthem]

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It would probably be less traumatic for you to just cut the gym out for a little while. Not being rude or anything, but it sounds like you would benefit more from spiritual exercise such as reading the word of God and praying for strength, right now...

 

[DoubtingSam]

Its a matter of the heart,not the extremities.

To a degree, yes. But guys are different than girls. You can't just shut down and not want sex. There is a reason why.

 

[DoubtingSam]

It would probably be less traumatic for you to just cut the gym out for a little while. Not being rude or anything, but it sounds like you would benefit more from spiritual exercise such as reading the word of God and praying for strength, right now...

I'm not too worried about it, honestly. I don't struggle with porn, I'm not married, I like women. I'm just pointing out that I'm not completely sexually pure all the time, and neither is anyone else.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

I'm not too worried about it, honestly. I don't struggle with porn, I'm not married, I like women. I'm just pointing out that I'm not completely sexually pure all the time, and neither is anyone else.

Here you are assuming again. Do you find it totally impossible for a follower of Jesus to have a mind that could resist the temptation of thought? Man, when I was in the military I was terrible and when I first joined I considered myself a Christian. Evan after I got out I got right with God but I still had issues that I needed to work out; mainly LUST. Now the closer I am to the Lord the less this hinders my walk. I still struggle but I believe the closer I get to the Lord the more this part of my life will leave me.

I am positive there are more mature Christians in this world that can say they don't look at women with lust but with love. It can happen but you can't do it on your own.